The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[DigificWriter]

However they did not confirm which one he is or if he is the only one.

Yes, they have.

 

[nrose21]

Yes, they have.

So I actually took the time to read the full article posted earlier and looked up some other interviews and it turns out you're right. Somewhere Tom said he is the only RF. I was basing my previous arguments solely on the show itself. I concede to you sir.

 

[Batmannerism]

So I actually took the time to read the full article posted earlier and looked up some other interviews and it turns out you're right. Somewhere Tom said he is the only RF. I was basing my previous arguments solely on the show itself. I concede to you sir.

Admitting when you're wrong is the sign of a healthy ego and a balanced mind.

I too think you might be overthinking it a bit, but as soon as time travel elements are introduced it gets easy to over think as the possibilities really open up. Chances are parts of all the theories we've heard are correct, and some are more correct than others - looking forward to finding out which.

Still, this is fanboy territory, so opinions are likely to be strong.

Personally, I think that in episode 9, there was really only one RF, yeah he looks a little bigger in the suit, but he looks distorted anyway due to his powers. Having Wells look like he was in two places at once is pretty easy to explain, using his super-speed (remember he's meant to be much much better at using it than Barry, at present he's meant to be much faster, although as Barry grows in experience that's going to change). yeah, it's possible that at one of those appearances it's an RF from a different time period, but I think it's more likely that it's really just one person.

I'm kind of hoping that we'll get a more reasonable explanation for Wells' actions, rather than he's just nuts or just messing with Barry. In the comics the RF is kind of like the Joker with super-speed, but a little less homicidal (as in he doesn't mind killing people, and often enjoys it, but usually has to have a reason to kill) and a bit less crazy and random.

Wells is quite different, in that he has an "endgame" an actual plan, and he appears highly rational (although ruthless) even when he kills Stagg, and even has a few sympathetic moments (e.g. tries to dissuade Joe West, rather than straight out kill him).

As for Wells, and as other posters have mentioned, we're headed for some serious time travel story-lines - so yes, it is possible that Wells was in two places at once, because one of him was a past or future self (I still think its just as easy to explain that using his super speed).

However, I suspect that Wells' endgame and overall story arc has to do with him being trapped in the past, or perhaps even trapped in a predestination paradox or time-loop that relates to the night of Nora Allen's murder. His ultimate aim is to free himself from the trap ( in an earlier post I mentioned that he could never kill the Flash, in the comics, otherwise he wouldn't exist - except of course for Flashpoint).

Given what we've seen of Wells it seems more likely he's trying to stabilize his powers so he can time travel again, and free himself.

Having said all that I think another little twist is possibly coming up involves the different in subjective time between Wells and Barry.

I think it's possible that Wells and Barry's actual first meeting (well from Wells point of view) might be in the future, when Barry's more experienced.
After that meeting, Wells has travelled back further, maybe as many have suggested to the night of Barry's mother's murder, and then gotten trapped there (so he's had to travel back to 2015 the same way we all do, at 60 seconds per minute)

Of course Barry travels back to that night as well (and again, I think he saves himself from Wells - in fact, I suspect that Nora's murder was accidental, and maybe Wells was trying to kill Barry, although that would negate his own existence - unless he'd found a way to free himself from the overall timeline.

Ugh. Now I'm confusing myself, I need to draw some diagrams for this with the different timelines.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the time travel aspects that are inevitably coming. As to who's right, well really who cares, as long as it plays out in an entertaining way on the screen.

Cheers.

 

[nrose21]

Admitting when you're wrong is the sign of a healthy ego and a balanced mind.

Lol thanks, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong. I didn't realize he was using outside knowledge (interviews) while I was just theorizing based of what I've seen in the show so far.

I too think you might be overthinking it a bit, but as soon as time travel elements are introduced it gets easy to over think as the possibilities really open up. Chances are parts of all the theories we've heard are correct, and some are more correct than others - looking forward to finding out which.

Yea, I still think there is going to be some sort of surprise twist, perhaps not about his identity, but something we don't see coming

Personally, I think that in episode 9, there was really only one RF, yeah he looks a little bigger in the suit, but he looks distorted anyway due to his powers. Having Wells look like he was in two places at once is pretty easy to explain, using his super-speed (remember he's meant to be much much better at using it than Barry, at present he's meant to be much faster, although as Barry grows in experience that's going to change). yeah, it's possible that at one of those appearances it's an RF from a different time period, but I think it's more likely that it's really just one person.

This still confuses me a bit but I'm sure they will explain it here shortly

However, I suspect that Wells' endgame and overall story arc has to do with him being trapped in the past, or perhaps even trapped in a predestination paradox or time-loop that relates to the night of Nora Allen's murder. His ultimate aim is to free himself from the trap ( in an earlier post I mentioned that he could never kill the Flash, in the comics, otherwise he wouldn't exist - except of course for Flashpoint).

I definitely think he is trapped in the past as well. My question is, has the speedforce been created now that Barry has powers or is Wells training hm to access it and then siphon his power?

 

[Batmannerism]

In episode 10, which just aired down here, Barry says that Wells is pushing him to be better - Wells replies that Barry is helping him to be better as well - but I take that to have an ironic meaning, that Wells needs Barry to stabilize his speed powers ( I suspect so he can travel in time).

I have this theory that he's trapped in some kind of loop or predestination paradox, and needs to regain sufficient speed to time travel and make the necessary alterations to the timeline to escape or avoid it....who knows, that time travel stuff gets very tricky - it all has to do with the night Nora Allen died.

I'm really looking forward to some answers. Cheers.

Lol thanks, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong. I didn't realize he was using outside knowledge (interviews) while I was just theorizing based of what I've seen in the show so far.



Yea, I still think there is going to be some sort of surprise twist, perhaps not about his identity, but something we don't see coming



This still confuses me a bit but I'm sure they will explain it here shortly



I definitely think he is trapped in the past as well. My question is, has the speedforce been created now that Barry has powers or is Wells training hm to access it and then siphon his power?

 

[ThaManhere]

Harrison Wells is actually Barry Allen, look at how he dresses down to the same shoes, Same hair and now the blood.

 

[LostSon88]

Harrison Wells has killed people on the show.

Is this really something we could see the future Barry Allen doing? Because I don't...

 

[bjavor]

I've already posted this to the speculation thread so sorry for the cross posting but:
While I initially would have liked the Wells = future Barry idea I don't think it can be:
- As many said: Barry is no murderer and very unlikely to become one
- Wells is smarter then Barry (no offence to Barry)
- They would need to look much more alike with only 10 or so years between them
- Wells does not seem to have Barry's memories (see "stinger incident")
- And as others suggested: Wells should have disappeared when while Barry lost his powers and disappeared from all future papers. Though this is tricky to be sure of since the whole episode was temporary...

 

[Batmannerism]

I've already posted this to the speculation thread so sorry for the cross posting but:
While I initially would have liked the Wells = future Barry idea I don't think it can be:
- As many said: Barry is no murderer and very unlikely to become one
- Wells is smarter then Barry (no offence to Barry)
- They would need to look much more alike with only 10 or so years between them
- Wells does not seem to have Barry's memories (see "stinger incident")
- And as others suggested: Wells should have disappeared when while Barry lost his powers and disappeared from all future papers. Though this is tricky to be sure of since the whole episode was temporary...

No worries bro, I started the speculation thread about who Wells was and asked the mods to shut it down and keep this one, as now we pretty much know who Wells is.

I don't think Wells is Barry, my theory is that he's Eobard Thawne, a future descendant of Eddie Thawne (quite a few folks have similar thoughts).

Exactly how the time travel angles are going to play out, I haven't worked out - well I suppose no one has, save the writers. I'm sure that enhancing Barry's speed and stabilizing his own powers are tied into time travel, and the death of Nora Allen.

Personally, I think Wells is trapped somehow - certainly without his speed he can't time travel, so he's trapped in 2015 (whereas if he is Thawne, he's from around 2515 ). As many have surmised the Red streak who saved Barry , the night of the murder, is probably his future self.
So relative to his current time, that hasn't happened yet, perhaps relative to his current time Wells hasn't travelled back to kill Nora Allen yet either.

I think Wells isn't just trapped in the present, I think he's trapped in a paradox, maybe a predestination paradox, or a timeloop of some kind - and the whole endgame is breaking free of it.

I think the writers have borrowed the idea from "Flashpoint" that by changing the timeline himself Barry freed the Reverse Flash ( who could never kill the Flash, or he would risk altering his own timeline).

What will be really interesting is if the writers draw further back from Flash lore and integrate elements of the story that lead to

Spoiler

the Reverse Flash's death, back in the 80's he's killed by Barry when he attempts to kill Iris on her wedding day. Maybe Wells is trying to avoid his own demise at Barry's hands.

I'm a couple of episodes behind you folks out there in the civilized world, so any updates on scenes of Wells' secret villany would be appreciated !

Cheers.

 

[HighFivingMF]

What will be really interesting is if the writers draw further back from Flash lore and integrate elements of the story that lead to

Spoiler

the Reverse Flash's death, back in the 80's he's killed by Barry when he attempts to kill Iris on her wedding day. Maybe Wells is trying to avoid his own demise at Barry's hands.

She was already dead then. He was getting married to someone else.

 

[just one thing]

I'm a couple of episodes behind you folks out there in the civilized world, so any updates on scenes of Wells' secret villany would be appreciated !

Cheers.

bit surprised no one is talking about the last episode.

Spoiler

he done a not very villinary thing that would appear counter inturative to what we presume is a long game on his part and in the process use something that could get cisco joining dots. Also stated that he was not there the night nora allan died, some one else.

 

[misjuevos]

All Cisco said was the blood wasn't From wells. So maybe this just means Harrison didn't lose any blood but Barry did. Just like any other hero vs villain fight, the hero probably got bloodied first. Then the fight moved to some other time or place. Maybe Barry got hurt trying to get between his mother and Wells. So Barry took the first hit.

Whatever happened I am liking the build up and can't wait for time travel. I am guessing they use the treadmill at first.

 

[just one thing]

All Cisco said was the blood wasn't From wells. So maybe this just means Harrison didn't lose any blood but Barry did. Just like any other hero vs villain fight, the hero probably got bloodied first. Then the fight moved to some other time or place. Maybe Barry got hurt trying to get between his mother and Wells. So Barry took the first hit.

Whatever happened I am liking the build up and can't wait for time travel. I am guessing they use the treadmill at first.

Spoiler

taught he said he ran the samples against wells there was two types one unidentified and one was a match for barry.

at about 39 mins. if iam wrong iam wrong but taught thats what they meant with that.

 

[Mike Murdock]

He didn't say anything that specific, but he certainly implied that. Joe said "was it Wells" and Cisco said "no, Wells is innocent, but it's Barry" (I'm paraphrasing a bit). He didn't literally say he excluded Wells, but, unless he's covering for him, that's the implication.

 

[Batmannerism]

She was already dead then. He was getting married to someone else.

That's right ! I always get that mixed up, he was marrying Fiona Webb. Anyway, Iris doesnt stay dead long.

 

[Golgo-13]

Wells traveled back to when Barry was a kid and got stuck there. So that ads another 15 or more years to his age.

Then how could he then have the newspaper article? Again, when the article gets published Wells would have been in the past…..

 

[Batmannerism]

Then how could he then have the newspaper article? Again, when the article gets published Wells would have been in the past…..

Possibly he brought it with him ? Doesnt seem to be that much of a problem...once you get past the whole time travel thing.

Cheers.

 

[Golgo-13]

Possibly he brought it with him ? Doesnt seem to be that much of a problem...once you get past the whole time travel thing.

Cheers.

He would have already been gone (stuck in the past) when that article was published.

 

[jrmtz543]

So I think I've figured out how wells wAs in two places at once. He's figurex out a way to mimic mulitplex's power of duplication.

 

[Anubis]

Or just good ole time travel.

 

[Comic Book Guy]

Or just good ole time travel.

Well it was Multiplex he took an interest in right? I think jrmtz543 is onto something.

 

[stillanerd]

So I think I've figured out how wells wAs in two places at once. He's figurex out a way to mimic mulitplex's power of duplication.

Or just good ole time travel.

Actually, looking at the preview for episode 15, it could be much simpler than that.

Spoiler

It's pure super speed. He's literally moving so fast that, so long as he's in the same area, he can appear to be in two or more places at once.

 

[Herolee10]

No matter how fast he's moving, it would still be hard to believe that he can do so in a manner where he can "exchange dialog" with himself.

If anything, the newest promo also indicates that he used some sort of projector to create a fake reverse flash in the barrier

 

[stillanerd]

No matter how fast he's moving, it would still be hard to believe that he can do so in a manner where he can "exchange dialog" with himself.

If anything, the newest promo also indicates that he used some sort of projector to create a fake reverse flash in the barrier

Yeah, looking at the promo, a hologram inside the barrier looks likely. However, the idea of a Flash-type speedster moving so fast he can not only be in two places at once, while seeming to wear different clothes, and exchanging dialogue with themselves does come the actual Flash comics. In The Secret of Barry Allen, Wally West says, "I used to do this all the time. Moving so fast, changing clothes and being in two places at once. An old secret identity trick for us speedsters."

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Harrison Wells has killed people on the show.

Is this really something we could see the future Barry Allen doing? Because I don't...

Spot on. That's how I know he isn't an older Barry and I am not a huge Flash fan either.