The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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But why the wheelchair?

 

[Dark Raven]

Is there any possibility of Wells shaving his head or going bald while in a wheelchair?

 

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What if Wells is Barry, and the reason he has gone missing in the future is that he has travelled back in time to the past to try to prevent himself from going missing in the future? So he's created this temporal paradox and also the future headline, and is now trying to free himself from the loop.

Wouldn't Barry recognize an older version of himself he hangs out with all the time?

 

[Dark Raven]

Wouldn't Barry recognize an older version of himself he hangs out with all the time?

Older Barry might've changed a lot in personality and temperament. Also, people are often blind to things and don't recognise when someone is just like them. They can't always put their finger on it why they don't like something or why they gravitate towards certain people.

Would young Val Kilmer from Top Gun recognise himself now?

Or would young William Shatner from Star Trek recognise Shatner from Boston Legal?

 

[Eni]

Older Barry might've changed a lot in personality and temperament. Also, people are often blind to things and don't recognise when someone is just like them. They can't always put their finger on it why they don't like something or why they gravitate towards certain people.

Would young Val Kilmer from Top Gun recognise himself now?

Or would young William Shatner from Star Trek recognise Shatner from Boston Legal?

There is also no reason for Barry to assume that a future version of himself could be around. I think that also plays into it a lot. There are a lot of older people around who actually do look very similar to younger ones but nobody would assume that they are their future selves simply because this is not something that happens (in the real world).
I think, even if Barry would pick up that someone like Well has some similarities to him he most likely would just write it off as coincidence.

 

[regnak]

Wouldn't Barry recognize an older version of himself he hangs out with all the time?

Maybe he had plastic surgery(or the future equivalent) to ensure present Barry would not recognize him. Not saying I 100% believe Wells=future Barry but it could work easy enough with that explanation.

 

[Norek]

Would young Val Kilmer from Top Gun recognise himself now?

Or would young William Shatner from Star Trek recognise Shatner from Boston Legal?

Come on, this is no argument...

It's not just the looks, it's the voice, the manners, there are little things that you would recognize about an older version of yourself that goes without saying.

Of course none of us could know for real, unless we've met a younger version of ourselves, but if you get to hang out with Wells as much as Barry does, at some point you will start recognizing things, and not to mention other characters like C&C who would definitely pick up some resemblance between the two, no matter how different they are.

When I look at old videotapes where my father is 20-25 years old and looks NOTHING like he looks right now (~50), with long hair and no beard, no glasses and stuff like that, I can still recognize without a doubt that this is my father. And not just him, other people from the tape who I know today are still recognizable when I see them ~25 years younger.

 

[Eni]

Come on, this is no argument...

It's not just the looks, it's the voice, the manners, there are little things that you would recognize about an older version of yourself that goes without saying.

Of course none of us could know for real, unless we've met a younger version of ourselves, but if you get to hang out with Wells as much as Barry does, at some point you will start recognizing things, and not to mention other characters like C&C who would definitely pick up some resemblance between the two, no matter how different they are.

When I look at old videotapes where my father is 20-25 years old and looks NOTHING like he looks right now (~50), with long hair and no beard, no glasses and stuff like that, I can still recognize without a doubt that this is my father. And not just him, other people from the tape who I know today are still recognizable when I see them ~25 years younger.

That is because you know who those people are supposed to be. If you would see a man who looks familiar to a family member you have when they were much younger, you don't automatically assume that it is their past self.
It is much more likely you would think it is an odd if not curious coincident, because time travelling is not really a thing (outside from comics and co). I think, thus Barry wouldn't be able to recognize his future self even if he were talking to him all the time, simply because it would most likely never cross his mind that this guy could be him.

I understand what you are saying and I think you are right under normal circumstances, like seeing photos of family members or meeting someone you haven't seen in ages, it is very likely to recognize them without any trouble. But it most like wouldn't be the case with Barry and a potential future self of him.

 

[Norek]

It is much more likely you would think it is an odd if not curious coincident, because time travelling is not really a thing (outside from comics and co). I think, thus Barry wouldn't be able to recognize his future self even if he were talking to him all the time, simply because it would most likely never cross his mind that this guy could be him.

Yes, I suppose this is the most valid point, if it turns out that Wells is indeed an older Barry, of course. So far, they've only scratched the surface with this future/time travel thing, with Wells' newspaper, and assuming you're not familiar with the Flash, if they didn't tease that 2024 stuff, it would never cross someone's mind that time travel would factor into this story.

 

[Dark Raven]

Also, the fact that older Barry could resort to murder can be attributed to the fact that life changes a person. The Barry we see each week (played by Grant Gustin) is young, green and idealistic. He's still at an early stage of his career. An older one could be more cynical, world weary and ready to resort to more extreme measures.

In Star Trek Voyager, Captain Janeway met a future version of herself in the final two part episode. This future Janeway was ready to wipe out the Borg and do whatever it took to get her people back home to earth. She thought the younger Janeway was too idealistic and somewhat naive, and too much by the book that she actually allowed her crew to be stranded light years from earth just to save other species.

The only thing is that future Janeway, after hanging out with current Janeway and her crew, began to see what it was she had lost, and remembered why the crew were so loyal and ready to help others. She saw that current Janeway was an inspiration.

So although Wells could be an older Barry, wouldn't you think that, after hanging out with present Barry and seeing how eager and enthusiastic he is to help others and see life from an optimist's point of view, older Barry would be affected by him and couldn't remain completely cold and hardened? Shouldn't younger Barry rub off on him and cause him to face what he had become?

But I suppose everyone responds to things differently, and if older Barry thought that there was more at stake, he could do whatever it took to secure the safety of the future and ensure that the Flash would survive.

 

[Bathead]

Short answer ... I just don't buy it, as it makes no sense to me to turn the hero of the show into a murderer, no matter what eventually happens, even if it's a matter of his survival, I'd think that Barry is the type that would sacrifice himself rather that murder someone. It's a primary facet of his character that is not likely to change no matter what happens to him in the future.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Wells is Darth Zoomius.

 

[Eni]

Wells is Darth Zoomius.

I would ****ing die of laugher in that case! Well, they do have a force in the show. t:

 

[Eni]

Short answer ... I just don't buy it, as it makes no sense to me to turn the hero of the show into a murderer, no matter what eventually happens, even if it's a matter of his survival, I'd think that Barry is the type that would sacrifice himself rather that murder someone. It's a primary facet of his character that is not likely to change no matter what happens to him in the future.

Yeah, I know where you are coming from. I also can't imagine Barry to do so and I wouldn't like to see that, to be honest, but this exact thing is currently happening in the Flash comics with Barry... thanx New52.

 

[Eni]

Is there any possibility of Wells shaving his head or going bald while in a wheelchair?

That would be so hilarious. t:

 

[Norek]

It would be funny if at some point Caitlin (or Cisco) call "Hey, Barry!" and then both Barry and Wells turn their heads and say "Yes?"...

 

[Eni]

It would be funny if at some point Caitlin (or Cisco) call "Hey, Barry!" and then both Barry and Wells turn their heads and say "Yes?"...

I would love that but it would be a bit too obvious if that is really that the writers have in mind. t:
It would be interesting to see whether Wells ever reacted in a odd way when someone called Barry's name, though, like, for a split second, he is about to react to it but catches himself before he can do so. Probably not the case, though.

 

[Dark Raven]

What if someone calls out "Hey Charles!" and Wells turns his head to say "Yes"?

 

[Guardian7]

Edward becomes Reverse Flash because Barry will take Iris from him.
Edward could easily be from the future and lost his memory, though he retains his shattered Barry obsessed memories... Which is why he is drawn to this (awfu) version of Iris.

This is what Iris looks like...

Not the version on the show.


I believe Wells (ala HG wells) is the time traveling Abracadabra the techno-wizard.

He hates Barry too... Is from the future. Especially if he is trying to change his future

 

[Eni]

Edward becomes Reverse Flash because Barry will take Iris from him.
Edward could easily be from the future and lost his memory, though he retains his shattered Barry obsessed memories... Which is why he is drawn to this (awfu) version of Iris.

This is what Iris looks like...

Not the version on the show.


I believe Wells (ala HG wells) is the time traveling Abracadabra the techno-wizard.

He hates Barry too... Is from the future. Especially if he is trying to change his future

Wells being Abra would also be something I could totally go for.

If Eddie is the RF, who has lost his memories, who was the guy that visited Joe West at the end of the 6th episode?

I am not a big fan of the TV show Iris but not because she is different from the one in the comics (new52 did a great job in butchering her as well in that regard). The TV show Barry is hardly anything like the comics Barry either, so I don't think that them being different from their comic alter-egos should be such a big problem. It is more the writers not really doing a good job in writing her, IMO.

 

[Dark Raven]

Wells being A bra would also be something I could totally go for.

Something all the women would probably go for as well.

 

[Eni]

Something all the women would probably go for as well.

Nice typo there! t:

(... and totally agree...)

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Edward becomes Reverse Flash because Barry will take Iris from him.
Edward could easily be from the future and lost his memory, though he retains his shattered Barry obsessed memories... Which is why he is drawn to this (awfu) version of Iris.

This is what Iris looks like...

Not the version on the show.


I believe Wells (ala HG wells) is the time traveling Abracadabra the techno-wizard.

He hates Barry too... Is from the future. Especially if he is trying to change his future

You are leaping head first into a well deserved ****storm with that comment. I'd say giving a less offensive reason for calling this an awful version of Iris would be a good idea, but this isn't the Iris thread.

 

[Doctor Evo]

You are leaping head first into a well deserved ****storm with that comment. I'd say giving a less offensive reason for calling this an awful version of Iris would be a good idea, but this isn't the Iris thread.

Yup. At least now I know I can ignore pretty much everything he says from here on out.

 

[Guardian7]

Oh please, I spent thousands of dollars on my flash collection and related material.
So my wanting the CW to remain consistent to the regular continunity material does not open me to a ****storm, quit kneejerking like there is some reason to take a moral high ground. It makes you sound like an elitist. Spare me you righteous indignation.
I want a Iris I recognize as the character from the comics. Simple as that.
Are you trying to tell me she doesn't look like that?

I would also prefer Barry be blond... Am I gonna get in trouble for that? Probably... Whatever...

It is because of MY INVESTMENT in the Flash that I believe I am right about who Wells is based on, or who it could possibly be.

Abra seems the most likely candidate. His use of high tech such as that amazing AI, his worry about the future, his disguising of self, the elaborate plot and including his rather slender build.

If he is indeed Abra... It makes me wonder if he will be the top hat wearing, mustache twirling cad he always was.

Guess a case could be made for it being a Bart Allen plot...

But I think it is Abra... Somehow involving Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash. Blending in Edward

I guess he could be Time lord... But why?

He's too thin to be the imposing barbarian built Vandal Savage...

Abra's focus is also on thwarting the Flash...he's almost as obsessed with Barry as Zoom is... He is practically Flash's version of Superman's Mr Mxyzptlk. Just annoying though with loftier goals.

HG Wells keeps popping into my head too!
Harrison -?- Wells... What's his middle name? lol