The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Pokkle]

I believe that RF is not a speedster but a time manipulator. This is how he is able to be in the same room and beat himself up.

RF's powers don't come from him but from the suit which is probably one of Barry's old suits. He is fast than Barry because he is manipulating time. No matter how fast a person runs if I can make myself 10 seconds faster I will always be faster.

Wells have power without the suit, we saw him using his powers with his voices without the suit.

 

[Dark Raven]

Don't know what to make of the end scene. It would seem that Wells is Reverse Flash, but that raises the question everyone's been asking: how was he able to beat himself up? Unless it was a remote controlled suit? I was wondering if the RF trapped in the force field was just a hologram at first. I guess everyone saw Wells the whole time though when Barry was fighting RF?

I did wonder whether Wells might be future Barry though and that he was the red streak who saved young Barry when his mother was killed.

 

[Pokkle]

He go back in time to beat himsefl to look not guilty.

In the pilot, probably Flash (Barry) saves Little Barry and fought against Reverse Flash (Wells) who kill his mom.

 

[jrmtz543]

Wells have power without the suit, we saw him using his powers with his voices without the suit.

It's speculated the stolen device gives him his power. This is why the bruises didn't heal until the device was activated. It's likely they would've healed almost immediately otherwise.

 

[Casval]

This is why the bruises didn't heal until the device was activated.

Unless he's able to control his healing process.

 

[Fouldz]

He either went back in time to beat on himself or, and correct me if im wrong, isnt it power of the flash to create doubles of himself? not sure if this was barry and have no idea if Thawne/Zolomon could do it but that'd be an interesting power

 

[ArkhamMadness]

To the people thinking RF could've traveled so fast to look like he's in two places at once -- don't forget that at least for a brief period of time he was trapped in a 100% containment field and wouldn't have been able to be in two places at once at least until it started fluctuating (HW sabotage no doubt).

Why did he start healing when he attached the Tachyon device to the suit?
What significance does his ring have?
If he's not the RF that we saw, then what's the explanation for him doing the voice?

 

[Herolee10]

Does this show look like it has a bigger production budget than smallville had during its final seasons on the cw?

 

[Dark Raven]

Unless he's able to control his healing process.

If he's able to control the healing process, then he should control it so that they don't all disappear at once but gradually, as normal healing of wounds would.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Being in two places at once is classic time travel. I'm not sure why people are having so much trouble understanding this. If Wells is indeed the RF, all he would need to do is decided, "Hey, now is a good time to go back to yesterday and kick the sh** out of myself in the lab" and do it. I'm not sure why people are thinking that he would have to find a way to duplicate himself in the present or whatever.

I could see why people would think something else was going on if RF wasn't a time traveler, but... that's RF's thing. Thawne OR Zoom... both of them have origins and powers related to time travel.

 

[747]

Creepiest "Merry christmas" ever.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Creepiest "Merry christmas" ever.

It was good but I still think this one takes the cake:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-BHGjJ2mbbhtmb/twelve_monkeys_1995_questioned_about_1990_part_2/

 

[roach]

A refresher on the characters:
Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom, first appeared in The Flash #139 (September 1963). Originally, he is a criminal from the 25th century who found a time capsule containing the Silver Age Flash's costume. He is able to use a machine to amplify the suit's speed energy, providing the abilities of the Flash as long as he wears it. In the process, the colors of the costume reverse, with the suit becoming yellow, the boots and lightning bolt highlights turning red, and the chest symbol's white circle becoming black. He uses his speed to commit crimes.
Professor Zoom returns as the main villain in the mini-series Flash: Rebirth. Zoom claims to have a resurrection coming up soon, referencing the Blackest Night. In this appearance, Zoom claims to have not only traveled back in time, but also to have engineered Barry's return from Speed Force. Zoom once tried to stop Barry from originally becoming the Flash, hoping to get struck by the lightning. However, he nearly phases out of existence, causing the lightning to pass through him and transform Barry. He interprets this to imply that Barry needed to become the Flash for him to become the Reverse-Flash. He erased Barry's best friend from existence, and frames his father for murdering his mother.


Zoom:After arriving in Keystone City, Hunter Zolomon was hired as a profiler, working with the police in their Department of Metahuman Hostilities. His work put him in constant contact with the Flash (Wally West), and the two became good friends. His insight was critical in solving cases, but he resented being stuck behind a desk.

He was severely injured in an attack by Gorilla Grodd, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down. He asked West to use the time-travelling cosmic treadmill in the Flash Museum to prevent this from occurring. West refused, saying that he could not risk damaging the timestream. Zolomon then broke into the museum and attempted to use the treadmill himself. The resulting explosion destroyed the museum (as well as his remaining sanity) and shifted Hunter's connection to time. He could now alter his personal timeline, giving the effect of super-speed.

Zolomon concluded that West would not help because, unlike Allen, he had never suffered personal tragedy. Zolomon decided that if he became the new Zoom and killed West's wife (Linda Park), this would help the Flash become a better hero.

Unlike other speedsters, Zoom's abilities lie not in speed but manipulation of time. For this reason he appears to be faster than The Flash and untouchable. This is betrayed in his speech patterns which ebb and flow at different speeds, almost entirely at random.

 

[Spooderman]

I love it. The longer it goes the more we get to enjoy it. It's part of the fun. The anticipation is what makes a good mystery.

I lost anticipation at like episode six. We know Wells is a not-so-good guy, they should tell us his motivations and backstory so I could actually care about his role in all this.

Unlike other speedsters, Zoom's abilities lie not in speed but manipulation of time. For this reason he appears to be faster than The Flash and untouchable. This is betrayed in his speech patterns which ebb and flow at different speeds, almost entirely at random.

Well I think Reverse Flash is a speedster (even if they can up their powers using the tachyon thing) since he can make him self all blurry and do that voice thing.

 

[roach]

Well I think Reverse Flash is a speedster (even if they can up their powers using the tachyon thing) since he can make him self all blurry and do that voice thing.

He is a speedster but not like Barry...where Barry is sped up by the lightning...RF is sped up because he can manipulate time. RF can still do all the things Barry can do...it's just his powers come from a different source.
Look at comics Storm and Thor...both control weather but one through genetics and science and the other through magic. Both can call down lightning and winds.

 

[Bathead]

I lost anticipation at like episode six. We know Wells is a not-so-good guy, they should tell us his motivations and backstory so I could actually care about his role in all this.


Well I think Reverse Flash is a speedster (even if they can up their powers using the tachyon thing) since he can make him self all blurry and do that voice thing.

Patience young Jedi, they'll reveal all of that when they feel it's appropriate to do so.

 

[The Shape]

I think the thread title can now be changed to "Harrison Wells IS the Reverse Flash".

 

[The Shape]

Does this show look like it has a bigger production budget than smallville had during its final seasons on the cw?

Yes, or they're more creative in how they create their special effects. Either way, they're doing an amazing job for a show with a CW budget.

 

[gugumugats]

It's so funny that most of us just can't accept that Wells is the RF.

I don't mind him being RF and I find his hinted backstory interesting, but I still have my doubts.

Lost and Nolanesque plot twists have ruined me for all pop culture.

 

[Batmannerism]

I think the thread title can now be changed to "Harrison Wells IS the Reverse Flash".

That was my prediction when I started this thread and I think that it's
pretty much established that he's RF.

As Cain suggested in an earlier post Wells/RF travelled back in time, killed Nora Allen, (which means that Barry will end up travelling back in time to stop him, and end up saving himself, the old "predestination paradox" but also ensures that Wells/RF exists in the future. So then Barry returns to the present, whereas Wells/RF loses his powers and has to get back to the present the same way the rest of us time travel, at 60 seconds per minute.

Anyway, when Barry gets his powers, WElls/RF gets his back.

Why the tachyon device ? Obviously for time travel of some sort, but backwards or forwards ? Maybe he's looking for a way to escape the time paradox ? Who knows, but I can't wait to find out !

As far as being in 2 places at once. Wells set up that whole scenario, so he could have worked something out in advance - holograms could be involved, and of course RF certainly has the speed and control of his powers to appear to be in two places at once - or it could be that there are actually 2 of him (1 that's travelled back from a different time and current Wells).

Someone pointed out that Harrison Wells ( H. Wells) all you need is the G and it's a pretty obvious pseudonym. I'm thinking that Wells is Eobard Thawne (which is why he won't kill Eddie, who's probably an ancestor)

Also, the whole manipulation looking-like-he's-helping-when-he's-pulling-the-string-from-behind-the-scenes thing is a pretty standard MO for the ol' RF.

(finally bought the collected "Return of Barry Allen" graphic novel, man what a great Flash story ! What I've always liked about the Flash is that despite all the **** that he goes through - and he goes through a lot - he never goes the old "Dark Avenger" path and remains one of the most lighthearted and upbeat of superheroes. If you haven't read it, and like the Flash, it's worth a read - although of course it's Wally West, who IMO was a great Flash ).

 

[Casval]

If he's able to control the healing process, then he should control it so that they don't all disappear at once but gradually, as normal healing of wounds would.

He said "Merry Christmas" at the end, and I'm pretty sure it's connected to his wife (remember, it used to be his favorite time of the year). Maybe he just let himself go for a brief moment.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not really. I don't see what's so difficult about understanding that concept. "I'm from the future. I used a fake name."

Pretty darn simple really.

Especially when he names himself after the person who literally wrote the book on time travel. The audience are already asking who he really is. Hence threads like this.

 

[Golgo-13]

I think the thread title can now be changed to "Harrison Wells IS the Reverse Flash".

I still don't think he is the RF. I think he may just know him…in the future.

I still think Eddie is RF. They were very specific showing Eddie saying "Why didn't he kill me?"…i think future Eddie may still be RF and Well's is working on his behalf.

Also, something seems off with Barry's father. During their chase, the profile in the mask looked like him. Not to mention, this last prison scene..sometime was off about dad. He seemed too laid back and casual about the whole revelation of Barry running into the man in the yellow suit again….

 

[Eni]

I lost anticipation at like episode six. We know Wells is a not-so-good guy, they should tell us his motivations and backstory so I could actually care about his role in all this.


Well I think Reverse Flash is a speedster (even if they can up their powers using the tachyon thing) since he can make him self all blurry and do that voice thing.

I love the pacing of the show (love the damn show in general after not wanting for it to air at all t and how they treat Well's character, I like that they feed us little bits of him without really giving anything away for now. I am sure we will soon enough learn about his motivations and backstories. I am sure the patience will pay off. In the meantime, I think he is one of the most interesting characters of the show, mostly due to how he is treated.

Regarding the RF being a speedster, I thinks so too but not because he is all blurry and can change his voice, I am pretty sure Zoom is able to do so too, even by "just" manipulating time and not using the speed force.

But even with the last episode's last scene, I think we can't really say anything for sure yet. There are still sooo many possiblities for who Wells could really be or not be, especially considering that there is still Eddie Thawne and he has a last name which is quite iconic in the Flash comics, so...

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm leaning more towards Barry's dad, being the RF and Well's working with him.

The last prison convo he had with Barry seemed really weird, and i find it hard to believe that the show runners would hint that Well's is really the RF from day one…then actually make him the RF; not much of a twist/revelation there.

I think the RF is someone we haven't thought of, and Barry's dad fits the bill. It also explain why the yellow speedster is the one who wisks young Barry out of the house….