The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

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Totally called the Wells needing Barry to reach a certain level so that Wells could tap into the speed force.

 

[Bathead]

Yeah, I would think that he would be in a s***load of trouble over that. I hope they don't just gloss over it, but unfortunately, I suspect that they will.

Still, this was a great episode and I guess Wells IS actually paralyzed some of the time? Or was there some other reason why he fell over in the hallway and couldn't get up?

From what I could tell, it's not that he really is paralyzed part of the time, it seems that his grip on the Speed force is losing ground and if he exercises his speed abilities, it drains and weakens him, to the point of near collapse. I would guess, if he rests for a while after "going speedy", things resort back to normal, more or less. I'm thinking this is the whole reason for his plot, that he's encouraging Barry to get faster and faster, so he can drain Barry of a huge amount of the SF, so he can get back his full power.

 

[The Shape]

Totally called the Wells needing Barry to reach a certain level so that Wells could tap into the speed force.

Yup. That's why I always thought, as well. I like it.

 

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Wells loves scotch almost as much as Ron Burgandy. Scotchy scotch scotch!

 

[Xaviesta]

So who was the RF that was kicking Wells' ass in that episode?

 

[Cain]

Totally called the Wells needing Barry to reach a certain level so that Wells could tap into the speed force.

Pretty much what I presumed back in the beginning of the season myself

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=29913123&postcount=648

 

[Cain]

So who was the RF that was kicking Wells' ass in that episode?

Presumably Wells himself.

Tachyon particles are theoretically faster than the speed of light which is why they're often used as a time travel crutch in science fiction.

That would explain RF traveling back into the past even without having a speed force to syphon off in the present time and being in two places at once.

Also it seemed that he uses the machine to "recharge" the suit. Assuming the suit also contained residual speed force energy like in the comics. Being within the aura of the suit during the charge also healed Wells cuts. So perhaps it also recharges any residual speed force energy in his own body. Which seems to be the case after last night's episode.

This show just keeps getting better and better.

 

[famicommander]

So who was the RF that was kicking Wells' ass in that episode?

Probably a version of Wells from a different point in the future.

We know he has at least some access to future knowledge/technology. I would bet that there were simply two versions of Wells from different points in the future in the same room, and the one in the suit doing the beating is probably younger.

 

[Guts]

So who was the RF that was kicking Wells' ass in that episode?

Just like everyone else has said, it was Wells.
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[Hypestyle]

the mystery keeps getting deeper. I was ready for Wells to get busted when his speed power started shorting out. Oh well.
I hope that Joe West's investigation gradually turns up some things. That could potentially force Wells' villainous side to come out once and for all.
Does Wells have any other colleagues in academia, the science/research world that know about certain aspects of his past and personality? It seems like everyone with a legit grudge is dead or (in the case of Piper) incarcerated.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Well, even if he is indeed from the future, Wells has been around enough that a lot of people know who he is; he's apparently a celebrity scientist like Stephen Hawking or Neil deGrasse Tyson.

 

[BestGirl]

I was wondering that. too. That kind of thing is quite a serious deal, just the kind of thing that federal prosecutors would be all over.

At least now we know he's loaded. Maybe he can bribe his way out of trouble.

 

[The Shape]

I still maintain that we can now change this thread title and make it an official Reverse Flash thread. 'Harrison Wells IS the Reverse Flash'

 

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, I would think that he would be in a s***load of trouble over that. I hope they don't just gloss over it, but unfortunately, I suspect that they will.

Still, this was a great episode and I guess Wells IS actually paralyzed some of the time? Or was there some other reason why he fell over in the hallway and couldn't get up?

My guess (totally a guess) is Wells isn't entirely faking his paralysis and is using the speedforce to cure it (at least temporarily).

Alternatively, it's possible he can walk fine but absorbing the speed force through the tachyon thing is essentially poisoning him.

 

[Venomfan]

did it seem like there was a lil more going on between piper and wells to anyone else?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I like the new dynamic of the audience (us) knowing that Wells is RF but the team does not know. Wells' dialogue carries even more weight now.

It's an Ancient Greek tool in story telling called "Dramatic Irony"

 

[The_Manhunter]

I think its great the way the writers are taking their time to develop Wells/RF, great to see such an iconic villain get his due - can't wait for the final reveal.
I suspect the character will end up being a pastiche of Reverse Flash and Zoom, but who cares? As long as he's interesting and entertaining, and a credible menace, then that's all that matters to me. And so far he's all those things.

Nice post, plus it's not like Malcolm was taken straight from the comics either on Arrow. I still think there might be another RF though...

 

[Hazexander]

Not sold on there being 2 Reverse Flashs the only thing they showed so far is RF beating up Wells but i still think it was only wells doing the whole thing himself. Cant wait to see what Joe digs up on him tho. This show has me hooked it just keeps gettin better

 

[Mike Murdock]

I could see Wells pretending to be Reverse Flash to build up Barry to become stronger than the real RF in the future.

 

[stillanerd]

Presumably Wells himself.

Tachyon particles are theoretically faster than the speed of light which is why they're often used as a time travel crutch in science fiction.

That would explain RF traveling back into the past even without having a speed force to syphon off in the present time and being in two places at once.

Also it seemed that he uses the machine to "recharge" the suit. Assuming the suit also contained residual speed force energy like in the comics. Being within the aura of the suit during the charge also healed Wells cuts. So perhaps it also recharges any residual speed force energy in his own body. Which seems to be the case after last night's episode.

This show just keeps getting better and better.

Actually, I believe it might be, no pun intended, the reverse--that Wells used the harness to siphon the tachyon particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then, by wearing the harness, attempted to transfer and absorb those tachyon particles from the harness into his own body. Let's take a closer look at the first scene:

[YT]watch?v=spJjZNn6xaQ[/YT]

When Wells puts the harness on the Reverse Flash suit, it appears those red energy pulses are drifting towards the center of the harness. Which would make sense since the Reverse Flash suit itself would contain tachyon particles. Also, based on how Wells can distort his vocal chords and heal from injuries, he's a natural speedster, meaning he doesn't need the Reverse Flash suit, which was confirmed in this last episode.

Now let's look at the stinger for this week's episode:

[YT]watch?v=q4pqeK9CgT4[/YT]

Gideon is talking about Well's exposure to the Tachyon particles, and Well's is telling her to increase the output from the harness. And when she says "Speed Force absorption at 35% and rising," she's talking about Well's absorption rate. So it seems the idea was to use to Tachyon harness to absorb the particles from the Reverse Flash suit and then transfer those particles into himself in order to temporarily stabilize his own speed. Which also, by the way, fits with the idea that real reason he wants Barry to get faster is so he can better absorb Barry's own Speed Force into himself.

However, given how we see Wells is unable to control his speed in this episode, and how he flat-out says it comes and goes, that, to me, suggests that the Reverse Flash from "The Man in the Yellow Suit" wasn't actually Wells at all. Because the Reverse Flash not only was more powerful than Barry, but he had even greater control over his speed, whereas Wells clearly does not. Which makes me believe that while Wells, even though he has the Reverse Flash suit and has red lightning is not THE Reverse Flash. In fact, I'm more convinced now he's actually a future version of Barry who got stuck in the past after trying to save his mom from the real Reverse Flash. As to why he has red lightning instead of yellow? Perhaps that's the result of him absorbing those tachyon particles in order to stabilize his speed powers.

 

[JPC4]

Theory makes sense and coincides with what Cisco said about there being 2 "Flashes" present at Nora Allen's murder. The real Reverse-flash with the red lighting, and Wells (older Barry) providing the yellow lightning. And now, like you said, Wells is stuck with red lighting as a result of syphoning off the yellow suit.

 

[LostSon88]

So you're saying that Wells is Future Barry?

 

[Batmannerism]

I still maintain that we can now change this thread title and make it an official Reverse Flash thread. 'Harrison Wells IS the Reverse Flash'

Fair call ! Maybe its time to start a whole new thread. As the OP, I have to say that there's been great discussion here with lots of interesting thoughts, but I think it's established beyond a doubt who Wells is, which makes this thread a bit redundant.

I'll call it "Reverse Flash thread: Tom Cavanaugh is the Harrison Wells aka Reverse Flash"

Look forward to reading your comments and catching up on the latest tachyon pulses. Cheers.

 

[Bren]

Or just rename this thread since it serves the purpose.
Don't get the point of two threads for the same character but maybe that's just me...

 

[Batmannerism]

Or just rename this thread since it serves the purpose.
Don't get the point of two threads for the same character but maybe that's just me...

What's easier for everyone else ? Whatever generates more interesting discussion around the character works for me. Cheers.