The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[nrose21]

Respect your theory dude. But disagree on having an RF and Zoom, it just strikes me as redundant and mildly confusing.

In fact I always found Zoom to be a completely redundant villain - he's pretty much the reverse flash, just a little bit crazier. It's the fact that he has practically the same costume as well that bugs me the most, totally unnecessary. I guess they wanted a Reverse Flash type nemesis for Wally, back in the day.

However, given the way the Flash TV universe has played out thus far, I don't see a need for Zoom. Now it's possible maybe Eddie Thawne will one day become a supervillain, but I still think it's more likely he's just an ancestor of Wells - and a romantic rival for Barry. Having the character's nemesis also be their romantic rival is just a bit too much of a cliche.

As for Wells/RF being in two places at once, which seems to bug people - as a time traveller that's pretty simple to explain. Dude, I have to say, it looks pretty conclusive that Wells actually IS the RF - but again, if you're right I'll eat my words.

cheers.

Sorry if I wasn't clear but I wasn't saying Eddie is RF, but definitely related. As for wells, I'm not convinced he is RF because he never demonstrated any kind of powers (speed, healing, voice change) until he came into contact with the tachyon device. And if wells was a natural speedster he wouldn't need the device because since Barry created Speedforce (presumably) he should have no problem accessing it like RF. I really think the writers are just confusing people so that the big reveal will catch everyone off guard cuz let's be honest, if wells is actually RF they gave it away way too early and it just seems too convienent. That being said, it's still entirely possible lol. I guess I'm just really hoping it's not as simple as Wells being RF after all this buildup.

 

[Cain]

Sorry if I wasn't clear but I wasn't saying Eddie is RF, but definitely related. As for wells, I'm not convinced he is RF because he never demonstrated any kind of powers (speed, healing, voice change) until he came into contact with the tachyon device. And if wells was a natural speedster he wouldn't need the device because since Barry created Speedforce (presumably) he should have no problem accessing it like RF. I really think the writers are just confusing people so that the big reveal will catch everyone off guard cuz let's be honest, if wells is actually RF they gave it away way too early and it just seems too convienent. That being said, it's still entirely possible lol. I guess I'm just really hoping it's not as simple as Wells being RF after all this buildup.

On the decision to let the audience in on Wells' identity as the Reverse-Flash before the other characters discover it:

Kreisberg: I think with "Arrow," we kind of learned not to jerk the audience around too much. Just for Greg [Berlanti] and Marc [Guggenheim] and I on "Arrow," and for Greg and Geoff [Johns] and I on "Flash," I think sometimes people withhold secrets at their peril. And we felt like if we hadn't revealed it, then it wouldn't have been a satisfying conclusion to those first nine episodes.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58826

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I hadn't seen Kreisberg's comment, so thanks for that.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I have the following theory about why Wells collapsed in The Sound and the Fury:
His speed powers are like the charge in a battery, and that his recent significant usage of them - in intimidating Joe, confronting Barry, and escaping from Hartley - drained him, leaving him physically weak and exhausted, especially since they, by his own admission, fluctuate and aren't constant. If recent circumstances pushed him to use too much of his powers and they decided to 'give out' on him, I imagine that it would take a tremendous physical toll on his body, possibly to the point that it would leave him temporarily unable to walk (which, while probably painful, would actually be a good thing as far as keeping his cover is concerned).

 

[nrose21]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58826

Aww crap... "Wells" I can still dream can't I???

For real tho, I would be kinda disappointed if there isn't more to it than Wells being RF

 

[nrose21]

I just had another thought. If wells is from the future and he is the RF who would have to be another version of him from the future (in order for him to be in two places at once), then that means there are two versions of wells from the future stuck in the past. Where is current Wells during all of this?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I just had another thought. If wells is from the future and he is the RF who would have to be another version of him from the future (in order for him to be in two places at once), then that means there are two versions of wells from the future stuck in the past. Where is current Wells during all of this?

You're overthinking it. He can be in two places at once by using time travel (the show will start messing around with time travel fairly soon). There doesn't have to be a bunch of alternate versions of him floating around.

 

[nrose21]

You're overthinking it. He can be in two places at once by using time travel (the show will start messing around with time travel fairly soon). There doesn't have to be a bunch of alternate versions of him floating around.

There has to be an alternate version of wells to interact with himself (When he fought himself) and that version wouldn't just disappear after the conflict.
That would also mean Wells already has the ability to travel through time so what's the point of him trying to absorb the Speedforce?

 

[DigificWriter]

I just had another thought. If wells is from the future and he is the RF who would have to be another version of him from the future (in order for him to be in two places at once), then that means there are two versions of wells from the future stuck in the past. Where is current Wells during all of this?

"Current" Wells would be one of those 'versions' of the character (since we have 3 documented instances in which he's used his powers and the yellow suit in the present: intimidating Joe, attacking Mercury Labs, and confronting Barry), with the 'bulkier' RF that attacked "Current" Wells and stole the Tachyon device being the second 'version' of the character (and probably a version of Wells who traveled back from a different point in the future than "Current" Wells).

There has to be an alternate version of wells to interact with himself (When he fought himself) and that version wouldn't just disappear after the conflict.
That would also mean Wells already has the ability to travel through time so what's the point of him trying to absorb the Speedforce?

To make all of the abilities that his powers afford him PERMANENT the way that Barry's are.

 

[nrose21]

"Current" Wells would be one of those 'versions' of the character (since we have 3 documented instances in which he's used his powers and the yellow suit in the present: intimidating Joe, attacking Mercury Labs, and confronting Barry), with the 'bulkier' RF that attacked "Current" Wells and stole the Tachyon device being the second 'version' of the character (and probably a version of Wells who traveled back from a different point in the future than "Current" Wells).

But everyone is saying "current" Wells is from the future as well. So that means "current" Wells (due to his knowledge of the future) and the RF Wells are both from the future meaning there should be one more Wells native to this time period.


To make all of the abilities that his powers afford him PERMANENT the way that Barry's are.

RF Wells seems like he has total control of his powers, so if "current" Wells can already time travel, why not go to the future where you already have permanent powers?

 

[nrose21]

^ sorry for the formatting lol, kinda new at this

 

[DigificWriter]

RF Wells seems like he has total control of his powers, so if "current" Wells can already time travel, why not go to the future where you already have permanent powers?

We've seen "Current" Wells don the RF suit 3 times already:
1) To intimidate Joe, threaten Iris, and steal Barry's files on Nora Allen's murder
2) To attack Mercury Labs
3) To confront Barry and fight him in that football stadium

We've also seen a second Reverse Flash (who is probably Wells from a different point in the timeline than "Current" Wells) attack "Current" Wells and abscond with the Tachyon device (which later ended up in the possession of "Current" Wells). It's this 'second' RF who seems to have total control over his abilities, and he may or may not be still hanging around.

As far as "Current" Wells just traveling forward in time, it seems as if his initial jaunt through time (probably to the night that Nora Allen was killed) may have 'short-circuited' his powers... hence why they ebb and flow and why he needed the Tachyon device to 'charge' them.

 

[nrose21]

[/QUOTE]We've also seen a second Reverse Flash (who is probably Wells from a different point in the timeline than "Current" Wells)[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]As far as "Current" Wells just traveling forward in time, it seems as if his initial jaunt through time (probably to the night that Nora Allen was killed) may have 'short-circuited' his powers...[/QUOTE]

Thats my point though, they BOTH came from the future. So there would need to be one more Wells unless he never actually existed in this time period and "current" Wells is the original Wells going back before he was even born. If that makes sense? Its still early and I need coffee...

 

[nrose21]

^lol wow Im really bad at this formatting thing

 

[Lilbaz]

Can I just say that I never really knew that much about Flash. I'm probably like most of the audience still in the dark over who reverse flash is what the speed force is and why he might have killed Barry's mum.

Some of you might be underwhelmed that it was too obvious that Wells was reverse flash. But most of us have no idea what that even means.

 

[nrose21]

Its not that Im underwhelmed at the fact that he is RF its just all the build up and then the reveal to the audience but not the cast that kinda bugs me. I wanted everyone to find out at the same time lol. So I guess Im just grasping at straws in the hopes that there will be a little more to it

 

[DigificWriter]

Its not that Im underwhelmed at the fact that he is RF its just all the build up and then the reveal to the audience but not the cast that kinda bugs me. I wanted everyone to find out at the same time lol. So I guess Im just grasping at straws in the hopes that there will be a little more to it

The concept of revealing a crucial piece of the story to the audience but not the characters is a fairly common occurrence in storytelling in both television and literature.

 

[nrose21]

The concept of revealing a crucial piece of the story to the audience but not the characters is a fairly common occurrence in storytelling in both television and literature.

I know, its just how they did it. So much build up and speculation but they havent actually said he is RF in the show yet, hence all of this confusion about who he really is. I just wish they were more direct with it if thats how they wanted to do it.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The only reason there's "confusion" about Wells' identity is because there are still people living in denial about his identity.

It's an entirely manufactured thing dredged up by people who think there has to be some big complicated explanation for everything despite the fact that these writers don't operate that way.

 

[nrose21]

^ The only reason there's "confusion" about Wells' identity is because there are still people living in denial about his identity.

It's an entirely manufactured thing dredged up by people who think there has to be some big complicated explanation for everything despite the fact that these writers don't operate that way.

Its not that Id rather have a complicated explanation, Its actually the opposite. There shouldnt be any room to second guess his identity if they wanted to reveal him to the audience, but there is. Maybe not for you, but based off all the other theories just on this forum suggests that many people are still confused. Now if they did something like showing Wells removing his mask right after the fight with Barry or something like that, then there would be absolutely no doubt.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ If you actually pay attention to what the show has shown us, there ISN'T room to 'second-guess' his identity, and any attempts to do so are relying on manufactured reasoning that actually ignores or parses the things we've been shown.

 

[Boy Scout]

You don't always have to be so aggressive, Digific.

 

[hopeless]

The real question is why did he kill Nora and if it was Wells where did Gideon come from as he'd hardly have come back in time in a stolen time capsule now could he?

 

[nrose21]

^ If you actually pay attention to what the show has shown us, there ISN'T room to 'second-guess' his identity, and any attempts to do so are relying on manufactured reasoning that actually ignores or parses the things we've been shown.

That's your opinion and I respect that, but lots of people are second guessing his identity so clearly there is some room

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It's not an opinion. Andrew Kreisberg and the writers are clearly operating under the ethos of having unequivocally revealed Harrison Wells as the Reverse Flash to the audience and using the remainder of the season to explain his agenda and tell his story, which will eventually involve the characters learning what the audience already knows.

Lots of people are clearly living in denial of what Kreisberg and the writers - by Kreisberg's own admission - are doing.

 

[nrose21]

^ It's not an opinion. Andrew Kreisberg and the writers are clearly operating under the ethos of having unequivocally revealed Harrison Wells as the Reverse Flash to the audience and using the remainder of the season to explain his agenda and tell his story, which will eventually involve the characters learning what the audience already knows.

Lots of people are clearly living in denial of what Kreisberg and the writers - by Kreisberg's own admission - are doing.

Just because they said he is RF doesn't mean there can't be another one, or that there isn't another mystery tied to him being the RF. No one is arguing that he isn't RF. Clearly that's been confirmed. However they did not confirm which one he is or if he is the only one.