The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Nathan]

Not saying Wells is Barry, but anyone can become a killer. I've seen enough takes of Superman turning evil and into a killer, and he's the uber boyscout. So Wells could be an evil future Barry, from a time line that might not exist anymore. Anything's possible.

 

[Bren]

Imagine if when Gideon showed 'The Flash' missing from the future, that was actually WELLS (future Barry) who never got BACK to the future?
..... Nah.

 

[jrmtz543]

The reason I believe Wells is using Multiplex's powers is that we've seen him studying metahuman abilities and attempting to understand and possibly duplicate them (Blackout).

Speedsters certainly have the ability to move fast enough to appear to be in two places at once (comics), but Wells's abilities seem to fluctuate. It also might have been difficult to fool Cisco while he was monitoring the force field that trapped RF.

A projector with a mirror image is another possibility, but again, it wouldn't be faking just the image.

Of course, all of this could be explained by Wells sabotaging the trap or the writers just ignoring anything inconvenient.

Anyway, I also found it interesting RF claims to "protect [his] own."

 

[stillanerd]

Not saying Wells is Barry, but anyone can become a killer. I've seen enough takes of Superman turning evil and into a killer, and he's the uber boyscout. So Wells could be an evil future Barry, from a time line that might not exist anymore. Anything's possible.

And let's considering from a storytelling standpoint. Given how complicated the Reverse Flash is in the comics--what with there being two different versions of him with Eobard Thawne/Professor Zoom and Hunter Zolomon, each with different backstories, etc.--the idea that Harrison Wells is not just the Reverse Flash but also an older version of Barry from a alternate future would actually be less convoluted for the general audience than the source material. Also, the idea that Wells cannot be a future Barry because Wells has gone as far as killing people in order to "protect Barry" could actually be a reason why the creators of the show would reveal him as a future Barry. Because it would be such a big, shocking, mind-blowing twist that would actually create new questions for future episodes and drive the series forward. The least of which would be "How could someone a good as Barry wind up like this? And if Wells was Barry/The Flash on the night Barry's mom was murdered, then who was the real Reverse Flash?"

 

[DigificWriter]

If Wells did replicate Danton Black's powers, the question becomes "how", since Black fell to his death while fighting Barry, and there wasn't an opportunity that we know of for Wells to have gotten a sample of his blood.

 

[jrmtz543]

If Wells did replicate Danton Black's powers, the question becomes "how", since Black fell to his death while fighting Barry, and there wasn't an opportunity that we know of for Wells to have gotten a sample of his blood.

Yeah, I remember Multiplex died. We are talking about the RF, though. Perhaps he got the sample and moved too fast to see.

 

[Nathan]

I wonder what ever happened to all of Multiplex's clones. Did the show ever actually show them disappear? We saw them killed and knocked out, but it's not like they showed the clone bodies evaporate or anything. As far as we know, there's a mountain of dead Multiplex clones.

 

[jrmtz543]

I wonder what ever happened to all of Multiplex's clones. Did the show ever actually show them disappear? We saw them killed and knocked out, but it's not like they showed the clone bodies evaporate or anything. As far as we know, there's a mountain of dead Multiplex clones.

I can't remember, but do the clones maintain separation from the host indefinitely? I assumed they'd merge with the original at some point.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Moving fast enough to appear to be standing next to yourself is one thing. Moving so fast you can stage an elaborate fight scene with yourself wearing two different outfits is another thing.

 

[DigificWriter]

Yeah, I remember Multiplex died. We are talking about the RF, though. Perhaps he got the sample and moved too fast to see.

Wells was nowhere near the scene of Black's death, and would've had to go to that location in order to retrieve a blood sample. He might've been able to do that before killing Stagg, but there's no way of knowing that for sure unless the writers tell us.

 

[jrmtz543]

Wells was nowhere near the scene of Black's death, and would've had to go to that location in order to retrieve a blood sample. He might've been able to do that before killing Stagg, but there's no way of knowing that for sure unless the writers tell us.

Very true. They could easily do so, however, by simply using a flashback.

 

[Mikelus]

Not saying Wells is Barry, but anyone can become a killer. I've seen enough takes of Superman turning evil and into a killer, and he's the uber boyscout. So Wells could be an evil future Barry, from a time line that might not exist anymore. Anything's possible.

One blood sample is from future Barry and the other one was unidentified. Also, Wells doesn't look like Barry, it would be very dumb from the producers to pretend he does, is just unnecessary. And this Barry would never become a murderer, it would be terrible writing. But a Barry Allen from an alternate universe, who was abused by his parents or with a darkness within would be more believable. Wells is probably Eobard Thawne, explaining why he didn't hurt Eddie when he had the chance.

 

[Boy Scout]

Spot on. That's how I know he isn't an older Barry and I am not a huge Flash fan either.

Like I've said before: that happens all the time in fiction. If alternate timelines can create circumstances where Superman can become a murderer, the same is certainly true for Barry Allen.

I don't believe that Wells and Barry and the same person, but to dismiss the option because of a difference in personalit is silly (IMO).

 

[Nathan]

All it takes is one very bad day, and even the best can be corrupted. I think one of the better takes of Superman turning evil, was actually in the Injustice game. When Joker made Superman kill Lois and his unborn child. That event turned him into the person that would eventually burn a hole through Shazam's face. And Superman was the symbol of Hope.

Though I am still not saying Wells is Barry, I am also not sure if he is Eobard. While he is most definitely evil, he seems to help the people around him way too much. Like when he made sure that the fusion between Ronald and Stein went perfectly. Then there's the line where he says he protects his own. I still hope that there are 2 Reverse Flashs, and Wells is Zolomon.

 

[Pokkle]

Moving fast enough to appear to be standing next to yourself is one thing. Moving so fast you can stage an elaborate fight scene with yourself wearing two different outfits is another thing.

He used a hologram too + his speed to be at two place at the same time.
Cisco see the hologram in the promo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odRXOGW1I5g
I'm pretty sure that Wells isn't Barry...

 

[jrmtz543]

Watching the extended trailer, it seems Wells is just moving fast enough to appear to be in two places at once, so maybe I'm wrong about Multiplex.

Sterling Archer makes a good point, though.

 

[StarLord]

From the promo after 'Fallout'

Spoiler

 

[The Shape]

It was probably all an illusion.

I really can't wait til we can finally put an end to these ridiculous "Wells is future Barry" theories. Starting to get annoying.

 

[Sawyer]

Are people really still buying into that theory?

 

[The Shape]

Somehow, yes.

So not only was adult Barry going back in time as the Flash to stop the Reverse Flash from murdering his mother, but (according to some people) adult Barry is also a murderer and the Reverse Flash who goes back in time to make sure that young Barry becomes the Flash by manipulating his younger self, murdering people, and doing all kinds of diabolical things.

 

[just one thing]

Somehow, yes.

So not only was adult Barry going back in time as the Flash to stop the Reverse Flash from murdering his mother, but (according to some people) adult Barry is also a murderer and the Reverse Flash who goes back in time to make sure that young Barry becomes the Flash by manipulating his younger self, murdering people, and doing all kinds of diabolical things.

the show changes alot with cavanaugh gone, he is not just a villain he is also an important part of team flash. who funds the lab, the secret prison, gadgets, comes up with ideas at the drop of a hat. Its also an issue that cavanaugh pulls it all together so well, its inevitable the road this is going down, how ever it happens team flash as we know it is getting broken up but would it be so bad if there was another reverse flash or future barry.

 

[Cain]

Given how complicated the Reverse Flash is in the comics--what with there being two different versions of him with Eobard Thawne/Professor Zoom and Hunter Zolomon, each with different backstories, etc.

What if in order to avoid further confusing the uninitiated we get both of them this season and it turns out they've been in cahoots all along?

Similar to when they teamed up in Wally's Flash book or the tease at the end of Rebirth with Zoom having a proposition for Professor Zoom.

That has been one of the more plausible theories I've seen all these months. That Wells is an analogue for Zoom since a lot of Zolomon's themes have been implemented into his story (Man who lost his wife, wants to encourage The Flash to be the best he can be, ends up in a wheelchair, has a link to Grodd etc.) they just deliberately made him a scientist to have most of us think he's an adaptation of Professor Zoom and not of Zoom.

While Eddie is the stand in for Eobard since they also share certain themes themselves (being a Thawne, romantic interest in Iris, admiring both Barry and The Flash etc.)

Then of course the question is "If Wells isn't Eobard how does he have the access to future tech and an RF suit?" it could've been provided by future Eddie who is now embittered towards The Flash and has dedicated his life to making Barry's life a living hell like Eobard in the comics.

That's the only theory besides "Wells is Eobard" that actually works best for me and seems most logical with everything that has been presented in the series so far. I respect your posts generally but I just can't rock with "Wells is future Barry" it just has way too many holes even when we don't factor the comic book incarnations and just focus in the incarnations as presented in the show itself.

 

[stillanerd]

Somehow, yes.

So not only was adult Barry going back in time as the Flash to stop the Reverse Flash from murdering his mother, but (according to some people) adult Barry is also a murderer and the Reverse Flash who goes back in time to make sure that young Barry becomes the Flash by manipulating his younger self, murdering people, and doing all kinds of diabolical things.

As someone who does subscribe to the theory that Harrison Wells is a future Barry, I'm going as far as to say that he went back in time just to make sure Barry becomes the Flash. What I suspect is that Harrison Wells is not only an older Barry Allen from the future, but a future version of Barry Allen from the original timeline from before the original Reverse Flash killed Barry's mom. That he, during his fight with the original Reverse Flash, he not only killed the original Reverse Flash (hence why he has the suit) but, because their fight played havoc with his super speed, he wound up stranded in the past.

What if in order to avoid further confusing the uninitiated we get both of them this season and it turns out they've been in cahoots all along?

Similar to when they teamed up in Wally's Flash book or the tease at the end of Rebirth with Zoom having a proposition for Professor Zoom.

That has been one of the more plausible theories I've seen all these months. That Wells is an analogue for Zoom since a lot of Zolomon's themes have been implemented into his story (Man who lost his wife, wants to encourage The Flash to be the best he can be, ends up in a wheelchair, has a link to Grodd etc.) they just deliberately made him a scientist to have most of us think he's an adaptation of Professor Zoom and not of Zoom.

While Eddie is the stand in for Eobard since they also share certain themes themselves (being a Thawne, romantic interest in Iris, admiring both Barry and The Flash etc.)

I agree, Wells is far closer to Hunter Zolomon than he is Eobard Thawne as far as Reverse Flashes go.

Then of course the question is "If Wells isn't Eobard how does he have the access to future tech and an RF suit?" it could've been provided by future Eddie who is now embittered towards The Flash and has dedicated his life to making Barry's life a living hell like Eobard in the comics.

Or, and this goes into the idea that the original timeline has been altered from the moment Barry's mom was murdered, Wells killed the original Reverse Flash who was Edward Thawne in the original timeline. And that's how Wells got the Reverse Flash suit. As for the future tech, if the idea is that Wells is future Barry, it means he comes from a time where technology is at least a decade ahead of ours. Then, if he traveled back in time to the year 2000 and was stuck, it would mean Wells would've applied that advanced knowledge of the future towards current technology. Thus, whatever technological innovations he created in 2000 would be akin to those of 2024, or literally 25 years ahead of it's time. Granted, it is a far fetch to think that Wells may have invented Gideon years earlier, which includes the ability to look at future newspapers as part of it's programming, but then again, this is a show featuring metahumans.

That's the only theory besides "Wells is Eobard" that actually works best for me and seems most logical with everything that has been presented in the series so far. I respect your posts generally but I just can't rock with "Wells is future Barry" it just has way too many holes even when we don't factor the comic book incarnations and just focus in the incarnations as presented in the show itself.

Which is okay. If Wells winds up not being a future Barry and is either Eobard or Zolomon, that would be fine, too. I'm just thinking that if he is a future Barry, it's the kind of thing which would throw the general audience and comic book fans through a loop and actually raise more questions as we progress through the series.

 

[Herolee10]

I've already seen people burned when they thought Harrison wasn't the "Man in Yellow", only for it to be revealed later on that he was.

So I can't wait to see it revealed that Harrison ISN'T Future Barry just so that stupid theory can be put to rest.

 

[Syncer]

Ah, I wonder what will happen in Eddie Thawne. We know he has a "connection" with the RF. I hope it goes more than just an ancestor (which it will probably be" as Kreisberg, said the connection will "Pay off in the back half of the series".

I was thinking about a scene with a Eddie Thawne RF where he visits Wells. Wells would say something like "Detective Thawne, what brings you here" or something like that and Thawne goes like "I don't go by that anymore. I go by something else. You can call me Profressor Zoom." Even a scene with Eddie finding the secret room would be cool.

Either way, Eddie being a bad guy seems a bit hard to believe. He is a pretty good guy. Something serious would have to happen.