Triplet...

[KikiDee]

Finally, from an entertainment POV, I do believe the ep suffered from an over amount of hype. I really was expecting something epic here. The death of a major character changes a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it a "great" episode. I know I'm in the minority on this, but it's how I feel. And you guys KNOW I will defend SV always - even this episode - but I just wasn't as thrilled with it as everybody else. After leaving my comments on the board that night, I felt I had said my peace and would just let it pass, especially since everybody else was so ga ga over it. I don't want to bring everybody else down 'cause I don't like it when it's done to me. I'm glad Zing, Hulk, Triplet, et al loved it, but I just thought it could have been better.

First off I just want to say that I absolutely love reading yours posts. They are usually extremely detailed, well-written and very insightful or at least entertaining.

I'm not exactly disagreeing with you, but from my pov it's all about the fantasy. I didn't have a problem with Lana not freaking out or at least showing some form of shock in the FOS. To me it would have felt unnatural and taken away from what was happening between the two. I love being wrapped in a story with the music and the emotion of the moment.

There's a lot of wonderful points in your post, but I decided after the first time I went to a movie that was translated from a book that I loved to let go. It's never going to be the same as what you've played in your head time and time again. This is somewhat along those lines.

I laugh at the things that really don't make sense and I revel in the things that elicit a response whether it be anger, grief or sheer pleasure.

It's easy for someone like myself to "fill in" the things that aren't really cohesive. So, for me, it was a roller coaster of pure emotion. I didn't stop to think. I just went for the ride. I'm just sorry it didn't give that to you.

Sometimes it's nice to be ignorant.

 

[BaK]

oh common Pat..
Lois - Lana thing can be explained in so many ways..
don't be so - ''unimaginative''.. (and a lazy viewer too who needs everything shown/played/resolved)..

Lana could have been distracted even more then first time around
by Clark's and hers new status (broke up) so she simply doesn't go there..

Things were not happaning the same 2nd time around, and for a good reason - Lex/Lana too..

 

[avidreader]

Then there's all the plot contrivances. Lois' "accident" is a perfect example. It's established that Lois and Lana planned to meet at the talon. "Sorry I'm late," she tells Lois. Lois drives it home when she adds that other folks can't do the bunting, or something along those lines. So Lana and Lois were meeting at the Talon regardless. Why didn't Lana show up as planned the second time? She had plenty of time, and no excuses for her absence were offered (I'm guessing the dialog was probably left on the cutting room floor with all the other scenes they hacked out due to timing constraints.) And the meeting took place sometime in the afternoon. It certainly didn't happen just before the election results were announced because Lois was still decorating. So the timing is completely out of whack - which is kinda funny since the episode did involve time travel of sorts LOL. Lois would have been electrocuted that afternoon, not at 11pm when Clark rescued her. How long would it have taken for that sink to overflow? Five minutes? Tops?

You make some very valid points in your post Pat but I have to agree with Kiki's summation of it all. Let me get lost in the fantasy.

However, I will give you my thoughts on this scene. Lana didnt go to Lois's apartment in the second play because she had just had a fight with Clark and was likely not wanting to be in the company of anyone else. My guess is she went straight back to the dorm and Chloe met up with her there.

We dont know what time it was that Lana went there the first time, as we never got to see a clock, so it could have been late afternoon and the water on the floor was rising and spread throughout the whole room. It wasnt just about to spill over the sink. I'd have to watch it again to see why the toaster only decided at 11.00 to short out.

I cant get past this nagging feeling that Lana is going to somehow remember all of this via dreams or whatever.

 

[avidreader]

Okay, I had to go over to DTS and see what they were saying about the episode and as you would expect most of the ones that hated it are the Clana fans. However, I think the majority were very favourable of the episode and understood what was actually happening.

I think there are only a few at Ksite that didnt like it, but they tend to speak louder than the ones that did.

 

[tonytr1687]

I have a feeling she'll find out for real in the season finale. As for Lana's reaction to Clark revealing his secret...you can chalk it up to her having had her share of suspicions for many years, as well as the fact that when you witness something like that your first reaction isn't freaking out but moreso shocked...and Lana was certainly shocked in the Fortress. But it was a silent state of shock. Remember how she just stood there in the loft with Lois, staring into space with that perplexed look on her face? Her reaction was realistic IMO. And we already know that there was some dialogue cut out of the opening scene so perhaps some of her other emotions in that scene were cut out.

 

[avidreader]

I thought all of that Fortress Scene in the beginning was very whimsical, the music, the lighting. It was a great way to portray because effectively that scene never actually happened.

 

[BaK]

I have a feeling she'll find out for real in the season finale.

I would more then love if they choose to go the path of her slowly getting to know what actually had (not) happened that day - in some ''magical'' way..

How exactly - that would be a challenge..

 

[NHawk19]

Finally, from an entertainment POV, I do believe the ep suffered from an over amount of hype. I really was expecting something epic here. The death of a major character changes a lot of things, but it doesn't automatically make it a "great" episode. I know I'm in the minority on this, but it's how I feel. And you guys KNOW I will defend SV always - even this episode - but I just wasn't as thrilled with it as everybody else. After leaving my comments on the board that night, I felt I had said my peace and would just let it pass, especially since everybody else was so ga ga over it. I don't want to bring everybody else down 'cause I don't like it when it's done to me. I'm glad Zing, Hulk, Triplet, et al loved it, but I just thought it could have been better. Ah vell. I'll live. I'm looking forward to Vengeance.

Hey I'm right there with you. I love the show but SV just frustrates me to no end some days, and usually simple things can correct it.

This ep is what I expect week to week from the show, but it didn't deserve the level of hype it recieved. In terms of it being the 100th episode and all the hype it got this one should have been more. No silly time warps no gimmicks, just character driven plots that push the story of Clark Kent to new heights.

 

[avidreader]

I would more then love if they choose to go the path of her slowly getting to know what actually had (not) happened that day - in some ''magical'' way..

How exactly - that would be a challenge..

The way I see it. She'll keep working with Lex, and finding out more, he'll keep feeding her stories about Clark and how untrustworthy he is. And she may start connecting some dots in her subconcience, leading to dreams of the events that didnt happen. She wont tell him what she knows, but she'll start to feel resentment towards him pushing her towards Lex until she see's Lex's true colours and finally understanding why Clark never told her.

Next season will be all about her encouraging Clark more to fulfill his destiny. She has to play some part of this and not just in the last couple of episodes.

 

[musclesforsupes]

shout out?

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

The way I see it. She'll keep working with Lex, and finding out more, he'll keep feeding her stories about Clark and how untrustworthy he is. And she may start connecting some dots in her subconcience, leading to dreams of the events that didnt happen. She wont tell him what she knows, but she'll start to feel resentment towards him pushing her towards Lex until she see's Lex's true colours and finally understanding why Clark never told her.

Next season will be all about her encouraging Clark more to fulfill his destiny. She has to play some part of this and not just in the last couple of episodes.

A) Why would Lana blame Clark for her going to Lex ? That was Lanas choice.

B) I do hope Lana does find out eventually how Lex REALLY is then Lana can understand why Clark is the way he is towards Lex

C) If Lana finds out on her own I think she will be just even MORE ticked off at Clark then she already is & rightfully so

D) Hopefully once Lana sees Lex helping Zod, Braniac. the other 2 Kryptonians that will most likely give her a hint right there what kind of person is. I am sure Lana would not be thrilled that Lex is helping aliens that tried to kill her in the Premiere

 

[avidreader]

A) Why would Lana blame Clark for her going to Lex ? That was Lanas choice.

I dont think she will. If you got that out of what I said, then I didnt mean for it to come off like that.

B) I do hope Lana does find out eventually how Lex REALLY is then Lana can understand why Clark is the way he is towards Lex

She has to, otherwise she will end up with Lex Luthor, and I dont think that happens in any continuity

C) If Lana finds out on her own I think she will be just even MORE ticked off at Clark then she already is & rightfully so

That's what I was saying in my post, which is where the misunderstanding may have come as you said in your first point. However, I dont think rightfully so is what I would say. She has a lack of understanding what his motivations are so I can see why she would be ticked off.

D) Hopefully once Lana sees Lex helping Zod, Braniac. the other 2 Kryptonians that will most likely give her a hint right there what kind of person is. I am sure Lana would not be thrilled that Lex is helping aliens that tried to kill her in the Premiere

Well Lana is terrified of the 2 kryptonians as it is now, so hopefully she will reach this conclusion.

 

[triplet]

shout out?

*sigh*

 

[musclesforsupes]

*giggles*

 

[tonytr1687]

A) Why would Lana blame Clark for her going to Lex ? That was Lanas choice.

B) I do hope Lana does find out eventually how Lex REALLY is then Lana can understand why Clark is the way he is towards Lex

C) If Lana finds out on her own I think she will be just even MORE ticked off at Clark then she already is & rightfully so

D) Hopefully once Lana sees Lex helping Zod, Braniac. the other 2 Kryptonians that will most likely give her a hint right there what kind of person is. I am sure Lana would not be thrilled that Lex is helping aliens that tried to kill her in the Premiere

I dont think Lex is going to know that hes helping Fine free an alien dictator. Fine will probably manipulate Lex into unknowingly helping him. I'm thinking Lana will slowly connect the dots and figure it all out, Lex will suspect this and Lana will start to see Lex's dark side come out. That first instance between them in Reckoning was foreshadowing.

 

[Red]

Any idea when your Vengance review is going up trip?

 

[triplet]

Any idea when your Vengance review is going up trip?

Well, probably sometime after I've written it... *sigh*

Getting over a pretty nasty cold so I haven't been in the reviewing kind of mood...

I hope to have it done before Tomb airs on Thursday.

 

[Red]

Oh ok just wondering.

Hope you feel better.

 

[BaK]

A) Why would Lana blame Clark for her going to Lex ? That was Lanas choice.

It's her choice, all right, but you can't just completely take out Clark's ''Spaceship..? what spaceship?'' attitude/handling of it as a cause for her making that kind of choice..

 

[avidreader]

It's her choice, all right, but you can't just completely take out Clark's ''Spaceship..? what spaceship?'' attitude/handling of it as a cause for her making that kind of choice..

I watched Lockdown last night, and Lana said that she had only been working with Lex for two weeks on the spaceship.

They've been working together on it since Splinter, so she wasnt being totally honest either.

 

[Red]

I watched Lockdown last night, and Lana said that she had only been working with Lex for two weeks on the spaceship.

They've been working together on it since Splinter, so she wasnt being totally honest either.

Is she ever?

 

[Serene]

 

[BaK]

I watched Lockdown last night, and Lana said that she had only been working with Lex for two weeks on the spaceship.

They've been working together on it since Splinter, so she wasnt being totally honest either.

I don't think it's been established anywhere precisely when did they start ''working'' on it together, so she could not have lied.
But do correct me if I am lying..

 

[tonytr1687]

I dont think Lana specifically mentioned it was 2 weeks. She just said "me and Lex have been researching the spaceship for weeks."

 

[avidreader]

Nope. She definitely said a couple of weeks, when she was talking to Clark in the Loft. A couple usually means two. And they became partners in the spaceship research in Splinter.

But I dont think she's usually in the habit of lying, she was just attempting to play the whole thing down so Clark wouldnt get upset.

WRONG!