World Truth, Justice, 'all that stuff'?

[Mr. Socko]

I understand completely what they're doing. But "all that stuff" just isn't as catchy as "The American Way". They should have just left the line out.

 

[AmericanMade]

What everyone seems to be missing is that regardless of Supermans orientation, the writers made a resounding choice. I believe it's strictly a business decision. They chose to placate to anti-american sentiment, prevalent outside the U.S. In doing so they did more than risk a backlash such as a boycott. They basically said that many Americans would ignore the slight and go see the movie, and the income lost from those that took a stand and didn't would be made up overseas. They chose not to risk insulting the international community, and instead risked insulting many Americans. A risk that may ultimatley pay off for them, but not with any of my money! ( I will go shopping for a Bootleg now though)

I wonder if all the people that are downplaying this intentional act, on this forum, would be doing the same if some Frenchman complained and threatened boycotts if the original line was left in. I suggest they would probably side with Frenchy since the world is such a terrible a place since the U.S.A is in it. BooHoo poor Europe.

To the Canadian: Take a look at Mexico. If it wasn't for the U.S. being the most prosperous nation in history during the 20th century, you would be putting skis on your donkey instead of sitting up there comfortably protected, and with good doctors only a quick plane ride away. Now that the coat tails are not so long or pretty you guys wanna jump off. Thanks neighbor.

 

[Dope Nose]

Dope, I suggest you look at what other Presidents have doen in the past wars. Especially the great ones like Lincoln and Roosevelt.

here's the difference - neither Lincoln or Roosevelt started those wars, unlike your current president.

 

[Dope Nose]

What everyone seems to be missing is that regardless of Supermans orientation, the writers made a resounding choice. I believe it's strictly a business decision. They chose to placate to anti-american sentiment, prevalent outside the U.S. In doing so they did more than risk a backlash such as a boycott. They basically said that many Americans would ignore the slight and go see the movie, and the income lost from those that took a stand and didn't would be made up overseas. They chose not to risk insulting the international community, and instead risked insulting many Americans. A risk that may ultimatley pay off for them, but not with any of my money! ( I will go shopping for a Bootleg now though)

I'd say anti-american sentiment is just as prevalent in your own country, given Bush's current approval rating. sorry, but anyone who thinks they're 'taking a stand' by not seeing the movie, a fictional movie at that, due to a simple piece of dialogue is an idiot.

To the Canadian: Take a look at Mexico. If it wasn't for the U.S. being the most prosperous nation in history during the 20th century, you would be putting skis on your donkey instead of sitting up there comfortably protected, and with good doctors only a quick plane ride away. Now that the coat tails are not so long or pretty you guys wanna jump off. Thanks neighbor.

you're evidently a moron. have you ever been to Canada? FYI, it's not blanketed in snow. guess they don't cover that in whatever school system bred the ignorance you're preaching. you think we owe you? we invented insulin, the bone marrow compatibility test, the pacemaker, radio-transmitted voice, time zones, the telephone. Henry Woodward of Toronto invented the light bulb before selling the patent to Edison. you actually believe that you'd be "the most prosperous nation in history during the 20th century" without us? better yet, you actually think we feel comfortably protected now that you've turned the entire planet against you? both you and your country need to get over yourselves.

 

[thechubbysaint]

here's the difference - neither Lincoln or Roosevelt started those wars, unlike your current president.

Considering our current conflict is a technical continuation of the kuwait invasion under the UN resolutions, you have no case to say GW 'started it.'

 

[Jack Napier]

I don't think it was deliberate, like they had to skirt around the line. But all the derring do's of saving lives take place in America in this movie.

You know what really made me laugh? Superman drinking a beer. I never thought he'd kick back and have one.

 

[AmericanMade]

One of the freedoms we enjoy here is freedom of choice. You may deem it "idiotic" but if someone makes a decision to market based mostly on my ability to choose to support it, I will do exactly that and choose. I will leave the blind
following to you.

And hey, I think Canada has made a great contribution to civilized society! And I have been there several times and discovered that most of the people are great, with the exception of the ones in Quebec who think they are better than the rest of the world because they speak French. I know deep down you realize that most of those accomplishments you speak of, accurate or not probably would'nt have occured had America not advanced or even introduced the agricultural/Industrial/technology revolution to the continent. The fact that Canada was able to contribute had more to do with it's American Influence than anything else. Had we not established ourselves as a world power and thereby securing the hemisphere, you'd be typing in Russian or worse yet French. Deal with it and get over the little sister identity crisis you're obviously dealing with. I am glad to see a majority of your countrymen see the reality of a positive reltionship with us, and haven't forgotten what enabled your people to concentrate on things that you alledge they invented. There's something to be said about loyalty through thick and thin. Through all our faults I prefer the "American Way" to that of , hmm, lets say Saddam or Putin, Kim, Jintao or even Cherac. Ask yourself one simple question: Is the world as a whole a better place because of the American Way or not? Don't be afraid of the worlds opinion of the U.S. Should danger come a knockin on your Maple doors, we will be there so you guys can work on the next big invention or get to hockey practice.

Regarding your name calling, this is the internet. I am not going to be bothered by someone who sits by his keyboard sheltered in what's probably his closet, guarded by his (ironically) G.I. Joe dolls and wearing his superman cape. Feel free to name call me whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Even go tell your mom you shouted down a big American Bully if it helps. I am most certain that had we had this discussion in person you would refrain from such an approach.

 

[Dope Nose]

Considering our current conflict is a technical continuation of the kuwait invasion under the UN resolutions, you have no case to say GW 'started it.'

how can you possibly consider the current war as a continuation of the UN Security Council sanctioned attack on Kuwait when it violates international law and lacks UN authorization?

GW, as you refer to him, is a war criminal and nothing but.

 

[Dope Nose]

One of the freedoms we enjoy here is freedom of choice. You may deem it "idiotic" but if someone makes a decision to market based mostly on my ability to choose to support it, I will do exactly that and choose. I will leave the blind following to you.

I love that you're arguing freedom of choice while chastising Singer & co. for choosing to leave out a piece of dialogue mentioning your country.

And hey, I think Canada has made a great contribution to civilized society! And I have been there several times and discovered that most of t[he people are great, with the exception of the ones in Quebec who think they are better than the rest of the world because they speak French.

and the stereotypes continue. beginning to see why I called you ignorant?

I know deep down you realize that most of those accomplishments you speak of, accurate or not probably would'nt have occured had America not advanced or even introduced the agricultural/Industrial/technology revolution to the continent.

given the Industrial revolution begain in Britain, yeah I do. here's some news for you - America is not the cradle of civilization despite what you may think, so why not climb off your knees and give your mouth a wipe? doubt the accuracy of our accomplishments? why not do some research instead of burying your head in the sand?

The fact that Canada was able to contribute had more to do with it's American Influence than anything else. Had we not established ourselves as a world power and thereby securing the hemisphere, you'd be typing in Russian or worse yet French.

do you honestly believe that America rose to it's current position on it's own? that we had no role in the major conflicts that shaped your country? how's that tunnel vision working out for you?

Deal with it and get over the little sister identity crisis you're obviously dealing with. I am glad to see a majority of your countrymen see the reality of a positive reltionship with us, and haven't forgotten what enabled your people to concentrate on things that you alledge they invented. There's something to be said about loyalty through thick and thin. Through all our faults I prefer the "American Way" to that of , hmm, lets say Saddam or Putin, Kim, Jintao or even Cherac.

I suppose it's easier to toss around the word "alleged" rather than acknowledge facts. by "American Way" do you mean misusing economic and political influence to wage unlawful wars on Vietnam & Iraq? read up on the My Lai massacre and then preach about "loyalty through thick and thin". or better yet Nuremburg.

Ask yourself one simple question: Is the world as a whole a better place because of the American Way or not? Don't be afraid of the worlds opinion of the U.S. Should danger come a knockin on your Maple doors, we will be there so you guys can work on the next big invention or get to hockey practice.

love your stereotypes, don't you? though I guess you'd probably define them as justifiable racial profiling.

Regarding your name calling, this is the internet. I am not going to be bothered by someone who sits by his keyboard sheltered in what's probably his closet, guarded by his (ironically) G.I. Joe dolls and wearing his superman cape. Feel free to name call me whatever makes you feel better about yourself. Even go tell your mom you shouted down a big American Bully if it helps. I am most certain that had we had this discussion in person you would refrain from such an approach.

American bully - finally something we can agree on. regarding the name calling, I prefer to think of them as astute observations of your character.

 

[AmericanMade]

First of all I acknowledged their choice. and I have made mine as a consequence. Secondly, as far as the stereotype, I knew I would get you on that since it was a recount of something told to me by a Canadian doctor (who made no money by the way) I met in Toronto at about the time Quebec was considering succession. You're from Toronto right?

In referencing the industrial revolution I said THIS continent, so it seems your head is also buried, but apparently not in the sand but closer to your coin purse.

I do acknowledge facts and even pointed out that we are an imperfect nation, however given the alternatives I'll take the American Way and so would most Canadians although they hate to admit it.

I'll concede Canada is a great country with some great people, you notwithstanding, and their accomplishments should be recognized. It is however inconceivable to me that you actually believe that Canada had more than a supporting role in the advancement of North America as an economic, technologic, democratic region? You sound more and more foolish spouting off your knowledge of feats and events, while ignoring the reality. Your jealousy motivated conjecture is symptomatic of the greater issue. The issue where America is subject to random vilification in spite of itself. If we isolate ourselves we're selfish, interfere we are bullys. Imagine a disaster or disease that we don't address. "Where are the Americans?" would be heard in every corner of the globe. South Korea has a nuke that can reach B.C.? Sure hope the USA can stop it for us. A nuclear Iran? I'm sure not in Canadas best interest but where are they on the international stage trying to stop it? Oh wait the U.S has our backs on this. Let them get dirty on our behalf again then we can point our squeaky clean fingers at them. I guess we should be the only country that doesn't look out for it's own interests first. Shame on us. God forbid we make a Timber regulation or environmental law that doesn't serve Canadas interest. The same rules don't apply to us. Why?

Like I said, face it little sister, you can cite all the contributions you want but we are the big kid on the block so get used to it and stop your whinin'. You can keep your Canadian way, and all the other stuff I'll ski in Colorado. Try being more like Australia. No inferiority complex, can defend itself, and has strong values and loyalty.

If I thought you had an astute bone in your body (no his doesn't count) I might be offended.

Oh yeah since you brought it up and only because you brought it up, I will get off my knees and wipe my mouth, but you need to wait cuz your Mom paid for the whole hour.

Goodnite eh hoser.

 

[thechubbysaint]

how can you possibly consider the current war as a continuation of the UN Security Council sanctioned attack on Kuwait when it violates international law and lacks UN authorization?

GW, as you refer to him, is a war criminal and nothing but.

The first Gulf War ended with a cease-fire agreement drafted by the UN. After Saddam failed to comply with that agreement and the UN was impotent to uphold the cease-fire agreement, the Congress voted to allow Bush to enforce the cease-fire agreement. Thus the cease-fire was violated, negotiations broke down, and a few members of the original coalition decided to enforce the cease fire already forged with their own soldier's blood. The UN and International law was a corrupt joke because it failed us by not enforcing an agreement our soldier's fought and died for in Gulf War I.

 

[Spider-Bite]

SuperMan is an alien. He is an alien. Nonetheless he is an illegal alien. If aliens came here they would really look at us as all the same. violent, stupid, mytholigcal.

SuperMan isn't even america, and it's kind of conceited to assume he's going to be all about the american way. The current american way would be to label him him a felon and ship him to mexico.

 

[FlameHead]

First of all I acknowledged their choice. and I have made mine as a consequence. Secondly, as far as the stereotype, I knew I would get you on that since it was a recount of something told to me by a Canadian doctor (who made no money by the way) I met in Toronto at about the time Quebec was considering succession. You're from Toronto right?

In referencing the industrial revolution I said THIS continent, so it seems your head is also buried, but apparently not in the sand but closer to your coin purse.

I do acknowledge facts and even pointed out that we are an imperfect nation, however given the alternatives I'll take the American Way and so would most Canadians although they hate to admit it.

I'll concede Canada is a great country with some great people, you notwithstanding, and their accomplishments should be recognized. It is however inconceivable to me that you actually believe that Canada had more than a supporting role in the advancement of North America as an economic, technologic, democratic region? You sound more and more foolish spouting off your knowledge of feats and events, while ignoring the reality. Your jealousy motivated conjecture is symptomatic of the greater issue. The issue where America is subject to random vilification in spite of itself. If we isolate ourselves we're selfish, interfere we are bullys. Imagine a disaster or disease that we don't address. "Where are the Americans?" would be heard in every corner of the globe. South Korea has a nuke that can reach B.C.? Sure hope the USA can stop it for us. A nuclear Iran? I'm sure not in Canadas best interest but where are they on the international stage trying to stop it? Oh wait the U.S has our backs on this. Let them get dirty on our behalf again then we can point our squeaky clean fingers at them. I guess we should be the only country that doesn't look out for it's own interests first. Shame on us. God forbid we make a Timber regulation or environmental law that doesn't serve Canadas interest. The same rules don't apply to us. Why?

Like I said, face it little sister, you can cite all the contributions you want but we are the big kid on the block so get used to it and stop your whinin'. You can keep your Canadian way, and all the other stuff I'll ski in Colorado. Try being more like Australia. No inferiority complex, can defend itself, and has strong values and loyalty.

If I thought you had an astute bone in your body (no his doesn't count) I might be offended.

Oh yeah since you brought it up and only because you brought it up, I will get off my knees and wipe my mouth, but you need to wait cuz your Mom paid for the whole hour.

Goodnite eh hoser.

Without Canada's resources, which America has been gouging from us for years, the US would not have been able to survive this long. Now, they want our oil, water and land too.

The probelm with a lot of Americans is that they think they've created, sustained and are the future of the world... when things could not be any furhter from the truth.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think an alien being on earth would be more on an international affair reather than american. aliens being here would probably unite us in such a way there is no american way, just a human way. we would be united. we would join togethera nd realize we aren't so different from each other.

to have SuperMan defend "the american way" is nothing but a slap in the face to the fine tradition that is Sci-Fi.

 

[thechubbysaint]

Actually, supes is adopted by the Kents. That makes him 100% American. It is basic immigration law.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm not so sure about that. if you want to adopt a child you can't just go out grab a kid and adopt them.

 

[AmericanMade]

Without Canada's resources, which America has been gouging from us for years, the US would not have been able to survive this long. Now, they want our oil, water and land too.

Yeah we you YOU our survival! The last international impact you had was losing the stanley cup again to an American city.

The probelm with a lot of Americans is that they think they've created, sustained and are the future of the world... when things could not be any furhter from the truth.

Never said that. Just said the American way is a better option than the others available in the present or recent century or two. Seems you guys up north have followed in our footsteps pretty closely and done pretty well doing so.

Seems nobody is answering the question regarding what way they would choose other than the American way as it relates to hope, opportunity and freedom. Alot of judgement going on but no real statement.

I also would never be suggesting they add a line like that if it was never there in the first place, but since it was, to alter it favoring francs over dollars is somewhat offensive to me. Enough so, where I will choose to spend my entertainment dollar elsewhere. If people think that idiotic or snobby then maybe they don't get to make too many choices for themslelves.

 

[FlameHead]

Never said that. Just said the American way is a better option than the others available in the present or recent century or two. Seems you guys up north have followed in our footsteps pretty closely and done pretty well doing so.

Seems nobody is answering the question regarding what way they would choose other than the American way as it relates to hope, opportunity and freedom. Alot of judgement going on but no real statement.

I also would never be suggesting they add a line like that if it was never there in the first place, but since it was, to alter it favoring francs over dollars is somewhat offensive to me. Enough so, where I will choose to spend my entertainment dollar elsewhere. If people think that idiotic or snobby then maybe they don't get to make too many choices for themslelves.

The American way is a better option than others available? Wow, you really are blinded by your pride. Or just dense.

What exactly is this American way that you speak of that's so much better? Is the the stripping of all your freedoms in the sake of security... security from the very forces created by the American government, at that. Or, is the constant fueling of the war machine to progress your economy. We all know the states escaped the depression because of World War II. Or, maybe it's the find a resource, call the leader a dictator, kill the leader, take the resource way that America has. Or maybe it's your heath care system? Wait, you don't have one.

Canada has not followed in America's footsteps in any way. Our war attitude is different; you know peacekeeping instead of total destruction of everything. We have more culture and heritage than you can ever dream about having in the states and we have a health care system that works. Not only that, we don't believe in eating up every single resource we have just to go and take everyone elses.

Having said that, Canada, unfortunatly, is beginning to move towards the American way since Mr. Idiot Harper has taken over. Seems he fancies this American way you speak of an everyday he's stripping a little piece of what makes Canada so great away.

Either way, the line is just a line and it's in a movie that means nothing.

 

[thechubbysaint]

The American way is a better option than others available? Wow, you really are blinded by your pride. Or just dense.

What exactly is this American way that you speak of that's so much better? Is the the stripping of all your freedoms in the sake of security... security from the very forces created by the American government, at that. Or, is the constant fueling of the war machine to progress your economy. We all know the states escaped the depression because of World War II. Or, maybe it's the find a resource, call the leader a dictator, kill the leader, take the resource way that America has. Or maybe it's your heath care system? Wait, you don't have one.

Canada has not followed in America's footsteps in any way. Our war attitude is different; you know peacekeeping instead of total destruction of everything. We have more culture and heritage than you can ever dream about having in the states and we have a health care system that works. Not only that, we don't believe in eating up every single resource we have just to go and take everyone elses.

Having said that, Canada, unfortunatly, is beginning to move towards the American way since Mr. Idiot Harper has taken over. Seems he fancies this American way you speak of an everyday he's stripping a little piece of what makes Canada so great away.

Either way, the line is just a line and it's in a movie that means nothing.

Funny, Canada basically gets a pass on major defense spending because they have America. Congrats on the extra money you can spend on healthcare. What peacekeeping have you guys done? Dafur, Somalia, and Kosovo are still messed up. Seems like the UN peacekeepers are all talk.

As for culture and heritage, you are kidding right?

We don't take other people's resources, we pay for them. If you want to see real imperialism, I suggest you look at 18th-20th century France and Britain.

 

[Dope Nose]

The UN and International law was a corrupt joke because it failed us by not enforcing an agreement our soldier's fought and died for in Gulf War I.

do you honestly think American soldiers were the only casualties? do you actually believe your country has the right to pick and choose when to adhere to the UN and international law?

 

[thechubbysaint]

I never said we had the only casualties.

I am saying that since we had men die for that cease fire, we had the right to go back in when the corrupt UN would just let Saddam slide. Sanctions have never been really effective, and all they do is punish the civilians in that country. (See oil for food scandal)

As for international law, that is a myth. Do some homework.

 

[FlameHead]

Funny, Canada basically gets a pass on major defense spending because they have America. Congrats on the extra money you can spend on healthcare. What peacekeeping have you guys done? Dafur, Somalia, and Kosovo are still messed up. Seems like the UN peacekeepers are all talk.

As for culture and heritage, you are kidding right?

We don't take other people's resources, we pay for them. If you want to see real imperialism, I suggest you look at 18th-20th century France and Britain.

Just because you can't look past your own borders to see what other cultures are about doesn't mean they aren't cultural.

We peacekeep by not attacking. We go to places that are in war and work to resolve the war. We do not, like our southern friends, find targers and destroy them. We do not intentionally kill hundreds of thousands of civilians. We do not create false wars to keep the war machine fueled. And the worst part is, this false war in Afganistan is now being fought primarily by Canadians, against most of our populations wishes.

You pay for resources? Now that's freakin' funny. You didn't pay for the oil in the middle east. You didn't pay for the heroin in Afganistan (which, by the way, you should know that poppy production has gone up over 60% since the invasion. Why? Because your goverenment controls the drugs too). You didn't pay for the softwood lumber from Canada for many years either... until very recently where a deal was finally struck. Even then, you're getting away with over a billion dollars worth of wood for free.

The American way, as it appears to me, is to bully people out of what's theirs and scare the **** out of it's own people so that nobody argues. Makin' a wonder Superman doesn't stand for that anymore.

 

[thechubbysaint]

Just because you can't look past your own borders to see what other cultures are about doesn't mean they aren't cultural.

We peacekeep by not attacking. We go to places that are in war and work to resolve the war. We do not, like our southern friends, find targers and destroy them. We do not intentionally kill hundreds of thousands of civilians. We do not create false wars to keep the war machine fueled. And the worst part is, this false war in Afganistan is now being fought primarily by Canadians, against most of our populations wishes.

You pay for resources? Now that's freakin' funny. You didn't pay for the oil in the middle east. You didn't pay for the heroin in Afganistan (which, by the way, you should know that poppy production has gone up over 60% since the invasion. Why? Because your goverenment controls the drugs too). You didn't pay for the softwood lumber from Canada for many years either... until very recently where a deal was finally struck. Even then, you're getting away with over a billion dollars worth of wood for free.

The American way, as it appears to me, is to bully people out of what's theirs and scare the **** out of it's own people so that nobody argues. Makin' a wonder Superman doesn't stand for that anymore.

Wanna talk about cultural acceptance, just travel to some major U.S cities and you will see diversity.

South Florida and New York probably has more diversity than all of Canada.

Please list some peacekeeping successes you had?

Nice conspiracy theories on drugs and other 'stolen resources.'

 

[Dope Nose]

First of all I acknowledged their choice. and I have made mine as a consequence. Secondly, as far as the stereotype, I knew I would get you on that since it was a recount of something told to me by a Canadian doctor (who made no money by the way) I met in Toronto at about the time Quebec was considering succession. You're from Toronto right?

what exactly do you think you're going to accomplish by boycotting the film? the only thing you're affecting is the chance at a sequel which I can't understand anyone on this board being in favor of. do you feel you're supporting your country in any way by purchasing a bootleg? and yeah, I'm from Toronto. why that would mean that we all share the same opinion is beyond me. why you would feel it justifies you spewing stereotypes at every turn is too. you accuse me of "blind following" and yet you've formed a prejudicial opinion of an entire group of people based on someone's ignorant comment, regardless of where it originated. I'd hate to hear your thoughts on black or Jewish people.

In referencing the industrial revolution I said THIS continent, so it seems your head is also buried, but apparently not in the sand but closer to your coin purse.

actually what you said was that America introduced the industrial revolution to this continent, which again, isn't true given it began in Britain and spread to the rest of the world. how could America have introduced it when it was previously established in the Commonwealth?

I do acknowledge facts and even pointed out that we are an imperfect nation, however given the alternatives I'll take the American Way and so would most Canadians although they hate to admit it.

so now you're speaking for most Canadians? seriously, take a step back for a moment and try to understand that not everyone shares your views. why you feel you can speak for an entire nation, let alone a seperate nation from your own is just ridiculous. it's as if you're incapable of expressing any coherent thought without resorting to generalities. you claim to acknowledge facts? I find that difficult to believe given you questioned the accuracy of the Canadian accomplishments I had listed, preferring to call them "alleged".

I'll concede Canada is a great country with some great people, you notwithstanding, and their accomplishments should be recognized. It is however inconceivable to me that you actually believe that Canada had more than a supporting role in the advancement of North America as an economic, technologic, democratic region?

hate to break it to you, but democracy existed long before you, and your country is just as dependant on our economy as we are on yours.

You sound more and more foolish spouting off your knowledge of feats and events, while ignoring the reality. Your jealousy motivated conjecture is symptomatic of the greater issue. The issue where America is subject to random vilification in spite of itself.

better that I spout off stereotypes? and sorry, random vilification? I get the feeling the people of Hiroshima would feel different. evidently the people of Iraq do too, or have you forgotten that you weren't exactly greeted as "liberators", despite Rumsfeld's claims. how about those held in Guantanamo without trial, regardless of their innocence? or anyone involved in the Watts race riots? members of the First Nations? any vilification has been well deserved.

Oh yeah since you brought it up and only because you brought it up, I will get off my knees and wipe my mouth, but you need to wait cuz your Mom paid for the whole hour.

guess this explains why she's suddenly into women.

 

[Spider-Bite]

geez guys. what's with all this prejudice towards canadians and americans? and for those prejudiced against americans, you have to remember only about half the country elected Bush. and now half of them regret it.

god I swear that man is giving us all a bad name across the world.