The Dark Knight Rises Tweaks to TDK Rises

[theLegend]

What small tweaks would you have made to scenes, characters, plot points that in your opinion would have made for the better?

For starters, the final scene when Batman MOLLY WHOPS Bane.

No gargling and over the top humorous ... WHERRRRE IZ DA DETONATOR ... YOU WUDDA NEVERRRR GAVE IT TO RRR AN ORRRRDINARY CITIZEN !!!

Just ass whooping, then bend down close to the now defeated Bane.

Good not over the top Bale growl voice (which he does in this part of the scene"

"Give me the trigger ... and then you have my persmission to die."

I thought this would've made that line in that context way more bad ass.

 

[Just_Human]

It would have been cool if Selina told Bane " hey Honey, over here " before shooting him

 

[raybia]

More Bat cave and better design.

More martial arts in 2nd fight on Batman's part instead of just brawling.

No 8 year retirement. Bruce should have gotten lost in that monster of his.

 

[CJ]

I think it would have been funny if Bane dodged Selina's shot, then a Tumbler crashed through the front doors of City Hall and blew her away.

Then Batman breaks out of Bane's grip.

ROUND 2.. FIGHT!!!

 

[Just_Human]

Or the batpod rocket would have bounced off Bane's mask and ricochet to kill Batman

 

[theLegend]

More martial arts in 2nd fight on Batman's part instead of just brawling.

Huh? Batman's entire skill set in the films was martial arts.

 

[raybia]

Huh? Batman's entire skill set in the films was martial arts.

I must have missed it. Batman came at Bane like Rocky came at Chubber Lang. I would rather have seen a blend of Bourne style fighting with some Donnie Yen IP Man (Wing Chung) thrown in.

It was just brawling from my perspective.

 

[JackWhite]

The only things that have nagged me since seeing the film twice in theaters is more breathing room to Bruce and Gordon's hospital scene and when Batman and Catwoman take down some of Bane's mercenaries which leads to Catwoman setting up Batman.

 

[infamous]

After many views all my gripes have gone to the sides.. all but ONE... after Bruce yells as Ra's fades away they cut too quickly to .... Bruce's feet.... I wish they just had did it the way it was in the script... let Bruce get the yell out and fade to black or white.

 

[theLegend]

It was just brawling from my perspective.

They weren't throwing hands and boxing. They were both using martial arts.

Knees, kicks, punches, spinning punches, headbutts.

That isn't brawling.

The only time it entered that territory was before Batman got broke by Bane. He gets so frustrated he can't get the better of Bane from a skills perspective ... Batman just screams and spears Bane to the ground with a tackle.

Final battle? He's giving well timed elbows and counter moves. Very MMA Jon Jones like with the use of elbows.

Or is martial arts to you like what was done in the Shumacher films? Un-realistic and overly stylized suer double back flip kicks for no reason?

 

[Deserana]

My problems wouldn't be solved by tweaks I don't think. However my two main issues.

- More of the ordinary citizens
- A much longer and bigger final battle/war

Anyway smaller tweaks -
- A final Batman/Bane exchange
- Talia reveal much earlier
- Longer Batpod/Police chase
- No time limit on the bombs detonation
- More Bruce prison scenes
- Gotham to look a hell of a lot worse after 5 months

Basically I feel all my problems would have been resolved in a two-parter.

Still loved the film.

 

[AnneFan]

- More of the ordinary citizens

Yeah, the public reaction to Dent being a murderer especially.

 

[raybia]

Or is martial arts to you like what was done in the Shumacher films? Un-realistic and overly stylized suer double back flip kicks for no reason?

If you look at my previous post you will see what martial arts is to me by the fighting style presented in the two movies I mentioned. If you dismiss that as martial arts then I have to question your perspective.

 

[Just_Human]

What happened to Holly/Jen by the way ?

 

[CJ]

She started dating Blake.

 

[Deserana]

Another thing that I would have loved to have seen that only occured to me a short while ago is Bane having interactions with other cast members. It's only Bruce, the lead mercenary and slightly Fox. There should have been scenes with at least Gordon, Selina and Miranda IMO. They were all in scenes together but never had a dialogue exchange with Bane.

You could argue the same with The Joker (Ra's is more personal to Bruce so makes sense) but he still had scenes with Gordon and Dent. Bane was just Bruce.

 

[JackWhite]

Another thing that I would have loved to have seen that only occured to me a short while ago is Bane having interactions with other cast members. It's only Bruce, the lead mercenary and slightly Fox. There should have been scenes with at least Gordon, Selina and Miranda IMO. They were all in scenes together but never had a dialogue exchange with Bane.

You could argue the same with The Joker (Ra's is more personal to Bruce so makes sense) but he still had scenes with Gordon and Dent. Bane was just Bruce.

Yeah, I totally thought we were going to get another Two-Face/Joker like scene with Bane and Catwoman.

 

[Victarion]

During Bane's occupation, I'd show armed Blackgate prisoners busting into the homes of the rest of the GPD/upper class and hauling them into the streets. They'd either be killed on the spot or tortured off camera.

Dent Act was so successful that its gaining traction worldwide. Bane, having escaped the corrupt prison that was the Pit, sees this as a powerplay by his dead mentor, Ra's. It was his greatest protege that allowed the Act to come to pass. That is what motivates Bane to go with Talia to Gotham.

Bruce's entrance to Gotham would take him down apocalyptic streets with the bodies of officers/citizens hanging from the street lamps, etc. etc.

 

[TinkTonks]

I wish Bane's backstory would have made it in the film. I don't know why that was left by the wayside....

 

[VenomShock]

I actually LOVED Batman's yelling at Bane. That was SO badass.

More Bane Backstory would've done it for me. Wish Gordon had more of a subplot like in the other two, longer second fight better talia death scene. And this is dumb, but I would've liked the idea of a carried line like the other two.

Batman Begins: "It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you"
Dark Knight: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".


I had a few nitpicks in this movie, but nothing that took away from the overall piece. I thought it was pretty perfect.

 

[AnneFan]

I actually LOVED Batman's yelling at Bane. That was SO badass.

One of my favourite moments of the trilogy.

 

[kvz5]

I actually LOVED Batman's yelling at Bane. That was SO badass.

One of my favourite moments of the trilogy.

Ditto.

 

[weezerspider]

Before I get this out, let me say, I loved the film. Loved it! However, it could have been MUCH BETTER if it was split into a two-parter. A few things I would have done, keep in mind these changes are made in mind that the film is a two-parter:

-More build up amongst everyday citizens, seeing the new day-to-day life of Gotham Post-Dent Act and build up the rumors about Bruce Wayne's shut-in lifestyle, making his first appearance much more dramatic.

-A much more believable reason for Blake discovering Batman's true identity

-More breathing room for some of the more dramatic scenes(Alfred and Bruce conversations, Gordon and Bruce Hospital scene

-A much longer police chase with Batman and the Batpod

- The fight scene with Batman, Catwoman and Bane's goons on the roof top much longer.

- More of Batman and Catwoman fighting Bane's henchmen in the sewer prior to Batman and Bane's first battle.

-Bruce doesn't allow Miranda to take over the company. Lucious makes this decision after Bruce appears to be dead.

-A much more in-depth look at Bane's Revolution

-More prison scenes with Bruce. It is still hinted to the audience that Bane is the child in the legend, but Bruce never expresses this belief.

-Alfred is involved in Bruce's return to Gotham, as a parallel between the plane scene in Begins.
-A Much Bigger and longer "War For Gotham" at the end, including much more of Bane fighting officers, Batman fighting League members and the two fighting each other.

- Batman is unaware of Talia being the room with Bane, which is why she is able to stab him.

-Talia reveals herself to which Batman responds "I Know". He goes on to explain that he never took on the energy project because he knew who she was and believed her true motives were not ethical. Lucious ruined his plan. This makes Nolan's Batman seem much more like the Worlds Greatest Detective instead of getting fooled by the same trick twice.

-Blake's real name is either "Dick Grayson" or never given another name at all. The scene with Fox and the technicians is cut out entirely. We see Alfred smile and nod at the cafe, but not the shot of Bruce. It would be a much more artistic scene to me personally, further making Alfred's comment to Bruce about how he wouldn't say anything he would just nod and know he was alright much more important and it wouldn't give it away so early with the Fox scene. Also the shot of Alfred nodding would be the last shot of the film, not Blake.

 

[theLegend]

-Blake's real name is either "Dick Grayson" or never given another name at all.

I too felt the name Robin Blake was a little too blunt or "on the nose" as a nod to the fans.

Yes he serves as an aid to Batman and Gordon in the film, and serves a psuedo like Robin capacity.

He's an amalgamation of Robin and Nightwing. Grayson, Todd, and Drake. But his ultimayte purpose story wise is more akin to McGuiness as Batman Beyond. To carry the mantle for Bruce Wayne into the future.

A first name of Grayson, or a last name of McGuiness would've been enough for me, personally. His name being Robin was just flat out too un subtle for my liking.

It's very subtle through out the movie how he serves as basically Nolan's realistic or more grounded version of Robin, but giving him that name throw all the subtelty and nuance out the window unfortunately.

And I too would've preferred the more dramatic, and artistic cut of just Alfred smiling with no shot of Bruce Wayne.

 

[VenomShock]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with you guys. I really liked the moments where Batman just became an extreme force of rage. Not so much like when he's interrogating Flass in Begins, but in both Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises his freakouts stick out.

I love how furious he gets with the Joker, which is all the better when juxtaposed with the Joker's fits of laughter despite being punched against a hard wall.

And of course the fight in this film was even sweeter. Seeing Batman utterly destroy the man who'd messed him up so badly earlier on. Just that feral rage gave me the fanboy goosebumps. "Yeah! Kick his ass, Batman!"