Venom now has a stand alone film, according to the studio.

[I'm Venom]

I'd love to see them cast Jensen Ackles as Brock/Venom with him working out as Parker gets the better photos. Maybe it can just be an after credits tease with him bench pressing.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Ryan Kwanten would be a good choice.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I am doubtful that these (especially the Sinister Six one) will ever get off the ground. I just don't see enough people interested in seeing a film about these villains without Spider-Man to justify Sony greenlighting the budgets that these films will require. Fox couldn't get their Magneto film off the ground, and Magneto is a far more complicated and sympathetic character than any of these. I know Sony is desperate because they see Disney, Fox, and WB with these large superhero universes, but reason should prevail here. The market is way too limited for this.

I foresee these films never getting made and many of the ideas being transferred over to actual Spider-Man films featuring these villains. Maybe I'll be wrong, but that's my prediction.

Venom can basiacally be Spider-Man, a mirrored version of him, an anti-hero version, that'll have no problem getting an audience. I think Sinister Six will just be the name for Amazing Spider-Man 4 and will have him.

Put it this way, all superhero movies have had heroes and villains, none have been just the hero as it wouldn't work, same pretty much applies to villains

 

[Juicy J]

So are most people here thinking that the Sinister Six movie and the venom movie wouldn't feature Spider-man? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, I don't see them doing that at all.

 

[I'm Venom]

For this movie to even get off the ground, they'd have to get us to believe that Brock is rock bottom and why he craves the darkness that is bonding with the symbiote. Hopefully now they'll cast a guy a little meaner and bigger to play the Venom we all know and love. Because traditionally that's who Brock was. There's enough information in the comics for them to do it.

 

[JJmelo]

I am doubtful that these (especially the Sinister Six one) will ever get off the ground. I just don't see enough people interested in seeing a film about these villains without Spider-Man to justify Sony greenlighting the budgets that these films will require. Fox couldn't get their Magneto film off the ground, and Magneto is a far more complicated and sympathetic character than any of these. I know Sony is desperate because they see Disney, Fox, and WB with these large superhero universes, but reason should prevail here. The market is way too limited for this.

I foresee these films never getting made and many of the ideas being transferred over to actual Spider-Man films featuring these villains. Maybe I'll be wrong, but that's my prediction.

The Magneto solo film was merged into first class because the solo wolverine movie was absolute garbage.

Why do people assume Spiderman won't be in these movies?? He obviously will, the story will just be told from the villains perspective. I think both of these films are fantastic ideas that have the potential to do really well. No other studio is trying what Sony is and I applaud them for it. I truly hope people give Venom and Sinister Six a chance.

 

[metaphysician]

The Magneto solo film was merged into first class because the solo wolverine movie was absolute garbage.

Would that it were the solo Wolverine movie to get merged with something else. . .

 

[#VENOM]

I'd love to see them cast Jensen Ackles as Brock/Venom with him working out as Parker gets the better photos. Maybe it can just be an after credits tease with him bench pressing.

Jenson Ackles? I'd like to see Sony move away from the norm and cast a no name who fits Eddie Brock the best. He played the body double in #TRUTHINJOURNALISM. Denis Sergovskiy. He has the size and could easily play Eddie Brock. Among other superheroes. Imagine him next to Spidey:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...19038482.66604.308792589168405&type=1&theater

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So are most people here thinking that the Sinister Six movie and the venom movie wouldn't feature Spider-man? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, I don't see them doing that at all.

Then it is just another Spider-Man movie, and would be announced as such. I think ultimately this is what will happen, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the plan right now.

Unless Spider-Man is going to be the antagonist, but that's just stupid.

 

[I'm Venom]

Jenson Ackles? I'd like to see Sony move away from the norm and cast a no name who fits Eddie Brock the best. He played the body double in #TRUTHINJOURNALISM. Denis Sergovskiy. He has the size and could easily play Eddie Brock. Among other superheroes. Imagine him next to Spidey:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...19038482.66604.308792589168405&type=1&theater

I'm no casting agent. I suppose what matters more is how the script will be, and I like Sergovskiy, but I prefer Ackles. He has the look and personality without even trying it seems.

 

[Juicy J]

Then it is just another Spider-Man movie, and would be announced as such. I think ultimately this is what will happen, but that certainly doesn't seem to be the plan right now.

Unless Spider-Man is going to be the antagonist, but that's just stupid.

Not really. You could easily make a movie that is focused on the Sinister six as a team and still feature Spider-man. The story would just be from their perspective.

 

[cherokeesam]

Not really. You could easily make a movie that is focused on the Sinister six as a team and still feature Spider-man. The story would just be from their perspective.

Yeah, I don't see what's so hard to figure out about this. Even though it's non-traditional in the comic book sense, it does make more sense in movies to tell some stories from the villain's POV.

Especially when these particular villains kind of blur the lines between mustache-twirling baddies and "shades of grey" anti-heroes. Venom is obviously popular enough to carry his own title and centerpiece his own movie; and I could see the Six play out as "villains turned heroes," Thunderbolts style. Hell, they could draw on the Civil War saga for inspiration, where Osborn put together his own team of (allegedly) reformed villains to bully society into submission, but with the blessing of a police-state tyrannical government.

 

[I'm Venom]

I'd like to see this movie focus a lot on the character of Brock driven mad. There's plenty of source material to work from for a two hour Venom movie.

 

[DrCosmic]

Not really. You could easily make a movie that is focused on the Sinister six as a team and still feature Spider-man. The story would just be from their perspective.

If they're the main characters, that means they would need to win, which would make Spider-Man dead or worse. So, you can't have Spider-Man more than cameo really.

Yeah, I don't see what's so hard to figure out about this. Even though it's non-traditional in the comic book sense, it does make more sense in movies to tell some stories from the villain's POV.

Especially when these particular villains kind of blur the lines between mustache-twirling baddies and "shades of grey" anti-heroes. Venom is obviously popular enough to carry his own title and centerpiece his own movie; and I could see the Six play out as "villains turned heroes," Thunderbolts style. Hell, they could draw on the Civil War saga for inspiration, where Osborn put together his own team of (allegedly) reformed villains to bully society into submission, but with the blessing of a police-state tyrannical government.

Indeed. Stories of criminals taking on bigger bad guys or just having sympathetic reasons for their villainy are tried and true. I don't know if I'd enjoy the Sinister Six as villains turned heroes, but seeing them take on a worse breed of criminal, or each having a good personal reason for the big crime they're trying to commit, that could be cool.

 

[metaphysician]

The problem I see with a Sinister Six story is, who exactly would be the antagonist? You can't really use Spider-man for the reasons already stated. You can't really have the antagonist be "the law", since without superhero-level opposition, the Sinister Six would kind of invincibly stomp all over the authorities ( barring "Sinister Six vs the Army", which wouldn't exactly make for a good story either ). And Sony doesn't exactly have an abundance of villains who'd make good "badder bads" for them to fight.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If they're the main characters, that means they would need to win, which would make Spider-Man dead or worse. So, you can't have Spider-Man more than cameo really.

The good guys didn't win in Watchmen or Empire Strikes Back. It's not common but there are movies where it happens

 

[roach]

The good guys didn't win in Watchmen or Empire Strikes Back. It's not common but there are movies where it happens

The Ocean's 11 guys are technically bad guys…and the original film (The Ratpack version not the George Clooney one) had them lose.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Not really. You could easily make a movie that is focused on the Sinister six as a team and still feature Spider-man. The story would just be from their perspective.

No, you can't. Assuming we have already established the Sinister Six as the protagonists, then the only ways to include Spider-Man (in anything other than a small cameo) would be to either make him an ally (dumb) or make him an antagonist (also dumb).

Now I'm well aware that there are many examples out there of villain protagonists and am even a fan of them. But they are far more serious films with much deeper characters, not a typical summer blockbuster. Maybe, maybe Batman could get away with it being a much darker franchise filled with tragic villains. It doesn't fit Spider-Man at all.

EDIT: And no, the Burton films don't count. Even though you can make the argument that Joker and Penguin were the real main characters, they were still marketed and sold as Batman films.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Ocean's 11 guys are technically bad guys…and the original film (The Ratpack version not the George Clooney one) had them lose.

They may be criminals, but in terms of the story they most definitely aren't bad guys.

 

[cherokeesam]

No, you can't. Assuming we have already established the Sinister Six as the protagonists, then the only ways to include Spider-Man (in anything other than a small cameo) would be to either make him an ally (dumb) or make him an antagonist (also dumb).

Now I'm well aware that there are many examples out there of villain protagonists and am even a fan of them. But they are far more serious films with much deeper characters, not a typical summer blockbuster. Maybe, maybe Batman could get away with it being a much darker franchise filled with tragic villains. It doesn't fit Spider-Man at all.

EDIT: And no, the Burton films don't count. Even though you can make the argument that Joker and Penguin were the real main characters, they were still marketed and sold as Batman films.

Why would including Spidey as the antagonist in both the Venom and S6 movies be "dumb?" That would be *exactly* what's expected, and desired by most audiences. In fact, this could be a grand ploy to weave a central storyline through multiple movies.

 

[Silvermoth]

Wouldn't suprise me if they got aaron Paul for the lead. He's very popular and they seem to be going for more gritty type actors especially for a role like venom.

That said aaron Paul gets suggested for every cbm!

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I still would love for them to get Jon Bernthal for Eddie Brock/Venom.

 

[Juicy J]

No, you can't. Assuming we have already established the Sinister Six as the protagonists, then the only ways to include Spider-Man (in anything other than a small cameo) would be to either make him an ally (dumb) or make him an antagonist (also dumb).

Now I'm well aware that there are many examples out there of villain protagonists and am even a fan of them. But they are far more serious films with much deeper characters, not a typical summer blockbuster. Maybe, maybe Batman could get away with it being a much darker franchise filled with tragic villains. It doesn't fit Spider-Man at all.

EDIT: And no, the Burton films don't count. Even though you can make the argument that Joker and Penguin were the real main characters, they were still marketed and sold as Batman films.

Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be done.
Why are you so quick to shoot down this idea?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Why would including Spidey as the antagonist in both the Venom and S6 movies be "dumb?" That would be *exactly* what's expected, and desired by most audiences. In fact, this could be a grand ploy to weave a central storyline through multiple movies.

Because he's Sony one real franchise hero that they need to sell multiple future films and they already had complaints in the last film that he was too unlikeable.

Also, he's their most popular character by far. I guarantee there will be complaints of 'not enough Spider-Man' if he is at all advertised for these films or has anything beyond just a cameo.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be done.
Why are you so quick to shoot down this idea?

If Spider-Man is neither aiding the villains nor fighting them, what is he supposed to be doing all film?

I'm quick to shoot it down because these are clear villainous characters and you won't get enough people to sit down and watch evil characters for two hours to justify a $200 million+ budget. Or you make them good guys and end up ruining them as villains in the process.

I just can't see this working, and I think the studio will realize that.