Sequels Venom Spin-Off ISN'T Dead????

[Robin91939]

They can't do an "Eddie Brock movie" without Peter Parker/Spider-man. They are linked. I'm sorry -- it's not possible and not respectful of the source material to do a Venom film without having Peter.

Venom can't exist without Parker -- it's not Venom if Peter never wears the black suit first. Peter wearing the suit and giving the suit a taste of the power that he has and then, ultimately, rejecting it, is what gives the suit the hate that it has....couple this with the hate Brock has for Peter and you have the perfect host for what will become "Venom." But they are not mutually exclusive. Peter can live without Venom, but an Eddie Brock/Venom story cannot be told without Peter Parker/Spider-man.


If they try to do it without tying it into the Spider-man films, or without it having its own version of Spidey, it will be a disaster.

-R

 

[GoldGoblin]

Just make it just like the movie "Chronicle".Have two guys,Brock and Cassidy go chasing after a meteor,where they come into contact with alien life forms (symbiotes).Show the two guys having fun with their new powers,until one of them turns evil(Cassidy),and Brock is the one who tries to stop him.

 

[Venom'sDad]

It's going to be a disaster anyway cause they are following Sin-eater story from the comics. The one thing they needed to do, Stay Away From The Comics....hell the cartoon and film as well for that matter.

Someone, please re-invent this character. If you don't know how, I will show you. I'm great at characterization.

 

[Micromind]

Hmm...

Lobo movie and Venom movie, two movies based on anti heroes (until we get Deadpool movie.) I would like to see which movie does better, in terms of Box office success.

I guess is Venom will be more popular.

 

[Spidey_62]

I think if they stick to the Sin-Eater origin, they should start off with Eddie as a journalist and closely investigating the story as details unfold. Things are tense, on the case of a serial killer and Eddie thinks he gets the story straight from the killer but we see Spidey (he should appear at least momentarily, if not I think that wouldn't be too good. I like the idea from Dark Origin of Spidey's unintended interference from afar on Eddie's life in several moments.) apprehending the real one and Brock's world falls apart. His great fall and eventual turn to suicide where fate has him cross paths with the symbiote in the church.

I think it could be good if it's executed correctly, the last time Venom was done on screen there were good ideas but the execution wasn't completely there.

 

[Galactus123]

How they can make Venom movie without Spider-Man? They said that they want it to be as close to the comics as possible. It would not be close if there is not Spidey.

 

[GoldGoblin]

So it will be a superhero movie where the superhero has the same powers as spider-man?

 

[Spidey_62]

How they can make Venom movie without Spider-Man? They said that they want it to be as close to the comics as possible. It would not be close if there is not Spidey.

Spidey at least needs to appear from afar, unintentionally causing trouble for Eddie Brock's life by doing his job.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They might as well just stick Venom as the main villain in a spidey sequel,a solo movie may not do so good at the box office.But how do you make a movie with Venom in it original without doing the same thing that was already done in SM3?

We already had the church scene.

 

[Jick]

Maybe they're planning on doing the symbiote storyline in the second movie. Then Peter dumps the suit in the end.
Then, in the Venom movie, Eddie finds it.

 

[Silvermoth]

Maybe? I hope they tell the story right though.

I don't know about this. I can't really see it as a PG rated film which is probably what they're going for. If they take it as seriously as they did Prometheus then maybe.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well a film about Venom will have to be done with a more serious tone. They can not water it down with fluff, and expect to be successful at the BO. They have to touch on some of the darker aspects of the character, and not worry so much about the under 13 demographic. They love that stuff anyway.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

best way to go about it is to introduce Eddie in the Amazing Spiderman 2. build up his character, relationship to Peter, etc. and then do the solo Venom film. Garfield could even do a cameo in it. and who knows, perhaps the Venom movie can be a bridge between Amazing Spiderman 2 & 3

 

[MarvelKnight]

Still can't get over Venom becoming Venom when the symbiote never encounters Spider-Man.

 

[KidDynamo0]

My thoughts on why Venom as a solo movie doesn't work:

 

[Venom75]

I agree with you all. As I've stated before,part of the fun of Venom is having Spider-man get hold of the symbiote first and watching it slowly change/corrupt him,and witnessing the fall of Eddie Brock and his "rebirth" in the church.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It's not even the "fun" that Spidey is involved with the symbiote arc...it's the ONLY reason why Venom is such an awesome character. Without Spider-Man, there's no use and no way for Venom to be there.

 

[awesome232]

^^Exactly. I mean, how do you have a Venom story line before Spidey gets the suit. Venom is made of Spidey's memories and powers.

I really, really do think that Marc Webb will actually bring in the black suit. Its a good story to re-invent into something modern. You can do it without Venom in the same movie. Just at the very end, give Eddie the suit and start the spin off there. Its that simple!

 

[Galactus123]

If there is no Spider-Man in this movie it would not make any sense that Venom has Spider powers. He can shoot webs and crawl on walls. The symbote got those powers from Spider-Man.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I respectfully disagree, but having Spidey would probably be best, in layman term.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I respectfully disagree, but having Spidey would probably be best, in layman term.

Disagree with what?

That Venom can't be Venom without Spider-Man?

If so, then...what makes Venom then?

 

[The Rocket]

I haven't been able to respond due to lack of an account, but I'd like to weigh my opinion on this subject.

If a Venom film is to work in this new Spider-Man universe, the first thing in my mind would be to avoid the alien plot. The symbiote suit could be tied with Oscorp, as there is already a foundation for such experiments in this new universe. Oscorp has already been established as a factory for some of the most evolutionary inventions and scientific devices on the planet. They produce Parker's webbing, provided his powers, perform genetic experiments on all sorts of creatures, and even had the questionable Ganali Device.

As a result, it would only seem fitting if Venom's origin stems from an experiment at Oscorp Industries. They could borrow elements from the Ultimate universe, as director Marc Webb has already done with the first film, and perhaps involve the genetically-altered spiders in another DNA experiment. If Peter Parker inherited his powers from the spiders, one could easily also adopt those powers if they could harness the power of the spiders.

I would propose the following as a potential idea:

Richard Parker's experiments, as Doctor Connors stated in the first film, dealt with genetically-altered spiders that would 'change the lives of millions.' Clearly, this meant spider DNA would have been used initially; when this was destroyed, Connors started over and used reptilian DNA instead. The first film has already established a workable canon that could involve a substance or suit involving spider DNA.

Let's suppose Richard Parker's research resurfaces in the future; this could perhaps occur in a future Spider-Man film, as the origin story is continually being uncovered. In that case, perhaps such research would be used to develop an animated, living suit that would cure disease and prolong life as well as youth by secreting its genetically-altered spider-like DNA into the bloodstream and enhancing the recipient's bodily functions. The suit would have to be worn at all times and could only be unbound by select Oscorp sonar devices. It would, theoretically, be used for medical purposes, though Norman Osborn could very well have been tampering with the design, transforming it into a biological weapon.

As with most symbiotic organisms, the substance would be designed with good intentions to seek disease and toxins. The suit, however, would poison the user's bloodstream, causing immense pain and partial psychosis, as well as embedding spider DNA in the bloodstream permanently. The suit would also bond with the person's skin, liquifying and regenerating if damaged. Its DNA would combine with the wearer's DNA after a certain amount of time, eventually allow the user to control and manipulate the suit with trial and error. The suit itself would be permanently bonded to the wearer's body, though the user could control whether the liquid extends on to his face. Its DNA would cause the user to develop a second, more predatory, spider-like personality, resulting in Venom's dual personality. The suit would be manifesting itself in the user's personality via its DNA.

With that, we could have the basis for Venom. The wearer would inherit an upgraded version of Spider-Man's powers as a result of the same spider DNA, though in a "more-controlled" fashion dependent on the suit.

 

[Venom75]

I think having "Venom" being created at OsCorp is the best way to go. It leaves alot less to be explained that having it come from space. And they really set up the science angle and Oscorp with Amazing Spider-man. Plus,Raimi's series already did that and with a rebooting of Spider-man you need something new and different. But I think Venom needs to be in a Spider-man film first and not only because of what you all have mentioned already concerning a solo film,but because you need a high profile villain in the new series. Forget part 3. Imagine having a darker,more serious and scarier Venom/symbiote storyline in say,Amazing Spider-man 3. This new series,so far,doesn't seem to have the fanfare and popularity that Raimi's trilogy did. That's why a villain as popular as Venom is needed. I really feel that a dark and serious Venom story in a Spider-man film(if done right,of course)would be one of the greatest comic book films ever.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I haven't been able to respond due to lack of an account, but I'd like to weigh my opinion on this subject.

If a Venom film is to work in this new Spider-Man universe, the first thing in my mind would be to avoid the alien plot. The symbiote suit could be tied with Oscorp, as there is already a foundation for such experiments in this new universe. Oscorp has already been established as a factory for some of the most evolutionary inventions and scientific devices on the planet. They produce Parker's webbing, provided his powers, perform genetic experiments on all sorts of creatures, and even had the questionable Ganali Device.

As a result, it would only seem fitting if Venom's origin stems from an experiment at Oscorp Industries. They could borrow elements from the Ultimate universe, as director Marc Webb has already done with the first film, and perhaps involve the genetically-altered spiders in another DNA experiment. If Peter Parker inherited his powers from the spiders, one could easily also adopt those powers if they could harness the power of the spiders.

I would propose the following as a potential idea:

Richard Parker's experiments, as Doctor Connors stated in the first film, dealt with genetically-altered spiders that would 'change the lives of millions.' Clearly, this meant spider DNA would have been used initially; when this was destroyed, Connors started over and used reptilian DNA instead. The first film has already established a workable canon that could involve a substance or suit involving spider DNA.

Let's suppose Richard Parker's research resurfaces in the future; this could perhaps occur in a future Spider-Man film, as the origin story is continually being uncovered. In that case, perhaps such research would be used to develop an animated, living suit that would cure disease and prolong life as well as youth by secreting its genetically-altered spider-like DNA into the bloodstream and enhancing the recipient's bodily functions. The suit would have to be worn at all times and could only be unbound by select Oscorp sonar devices. It would, theoretically, be used for medical purposes, though Norman Osborn could very well have been tampering with the design, transforming it into a biological weapon.

As with most symbiotic organisms, the substance would be designed with good intentions to seek disease and toxins. The suit, however, would poison the user's bloodstream, causing immense pain and partial psychosis, as well as embedding spider DNA in the bloodstream permanently. The suit would also bond with the person's skin, liquifying and regenerating if damaged. Its DNA would combine with the wearer's DNA after a certain amount of time, eventually allow the user to control and manipulate the suit with trial and error. The suit itself would be permanently bonded to the wearer's body, though the user could control whether the liquid extends on to his face. Its DNA would cause the user to develop a second, more predatory, spider-like personality, resulting in Venom's dual personality. The suit would be manifesting itself in the user's personality via its DNA.

With that, we could have the basis for Venom. The wearer would inherit an upgraded version of Spider-Man's powers as a result of the same spider DNA, though in a "more-controlled" fashion dependent on the suit.

huhhh....to predictable, to common of a plot(that will most likely be used time & time again for every villain, nothing new, no mystery, no intrigue or sense of discovery, nothing epic about it, making same mistake as the comics/animation has made with this character, no real sense of the character being a threat, nothing really mature about another failed experiment turning into a villain, no motivation, no human aspect of the host, his humanity, and real emotion. I can go on & on....it's just the same ole, same ole....the same ole, tired, same ole.

Sorry man, I just don't like it. As popular as this character is, the character is very hollow....and that's the fault of the comic/animation writers. I sincerely think they know not what to do with this character. The character needs to be totally re-invented, and imho, until they do, this popular character will always be sub-par on the silver screen. This character has to be literally, brought to life. Making it yet another created experiment gone bad, is..........blah.

 

[Venom75]

The key to making a great Venom is to make a great Eddie Brock first. Venom is a rather hollow character. He is just a monster who wants to kill Spider-man. Pretty simple. But if you develop Eddie first and show him as a flawed human being,and man who has severe problems then once he gets the symbiote we actually are invested and interested in the character.