Venom Venom: The Last Dance

[TheVileOne]

Wow, I really don’t know what to make of this, but as always…. the memes should be delectable

The first two films are not what I could call good but they have their fans, so *shrug*

Everyone always goes nuts over MCU film Tomatometers, well Venom 1 had a 30% rating. Venom 2 had 57%.

 

[Another_Fool]

The first two films are not what I could call good but they have their fans, so *shrug*

Everyone always goes nuts over MCU film Tomatometers, well Venom 1 had a 30% rating. Venom 2 had 57%.

Yeah and with these movies who the heck knows. Both 1 and 2 had bad pre-release buzz. The consensus was that Venom 1 was gonna be REALLYYY atrociously bad and then somehow folks warmed up to it. Then pre-release word was Venom 2 was actually bad this time only it had an awesome post credit scene. However come release it actually was critically received better than the 1st and did relatively well even without China.

RPK may be spot on. I think odds are the 3rd is finally the letdown even for its fans because people are finally tired of the schtick but again who knows.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah and with these movies who the heck knows. Both 1 and 2 had bad pre-release buzz. The consensus was that Venom 1 was gonna be REALLYYY atrociously bad and then somehow folks warmed up to it. Then pre-release word was Venom 2 was actually bad this time only it had an awesome post credit scene. However come release it actually was critically received better than the 1st and did relatively well even without China.

RPK may be spot on. I think odds are the 3rd is finally the letdown even for its fans because people are finally tired of the schtick but again who knows.

I thought both films were atrociously bad. And frell, I'm still angry about Venom 2 setting up him meeting Spider-Man with no satisfying payoff. All that teasing for nothing. That was literally the only thing I liked about Let There Be Carnage that got me relatively excited. I was so confused. Why was the symbiote attracted to Spider-Man? Why was Venom licking the screen? Did Venom remember Spider-Man somehow? How why? What are the answers? That epilogue let with me with so many answers and then NOTHING!

Kevin Feige clearly didn't give a **** and wants nothing to do with Sony or the Sony Spidey spinoffs. He clearly hates them and wants no crossover between them

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The shared Spider-Man universe was a terrible idea in 2013 and its still a terrible idea.

 

[Sithborg]

Oh i forgot about that, the first one made 260M on China, but because of the pandemic Venom 2 wasnt released there.
So yeah, im even more positive now this one will beat Let there be Carnage.

I still kind of want to know what their planned edit to the movie was to get it into China.

Also, yeah, I love the tease just being a gag because it is hilarious to see fanboys rage about it.

But then I'm the Venom fan that feels Venom hasn't been a Spider-man character since Remender's run.

 

[Iceman]

The second Venom film was not released in China. This one will be.

The first film was massive in China. It was marketed like a romantic comedy between Eddie & Venom.

Oh that’s a big difference then.

Haha, perfect way to market it.

 

[Filmfreak]

Box Office Pro has dropped its projections for Venom 3, from 80-120 million to 60-85 million. Movies that drop its projections in each week usually end up on the lower end or even lower than that and vice versa. I have a feeling this will do significantly less than the previous two films for a variety of reasons. They're lucky it's pretty cheap to make but it will still need around 280 million to break even. Let's see what it's going to end up doing.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am sure especially since it will be released in China that it will at least still clear close to Let There Be Carnage even on the lower end. But yes, that's not great for it that the numbers are dropping

 

[Another_Fool]

Box Office Pro has dropped its projections for Venom 3, from 80-120 million to 60-85 million. Movies that drop its projections in each week usually end up on the lower end or even lower than that and vice versa. I have a feeling this will do significantly less than the previous two films for a variety of reasons. They're lucky it's pretty cheap to make but it will still need around 280 million to break even. Let's see what it's going to end up doing.

It may indeed open lowest of the 3. But then the Venom movies are hard to project because of how high the walk up rate is for the series. Both Venom 1 and 2 were projected 20M to 30M lower than actuals due to presales but the walkup come opening weekend pushed both films to overperform.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Filmfreak]

It may indeed open lowest of the 3. But then the Venom movies are hard to project because of how high the walk up rate is for the series. Both Venom 1 and 2 were projected 20M to 30M lower than actuals due to presales but the walkup come opening weekend pushed both films to overperform.

Both Venom movies opened higher than expected but both those film had rising box office projections in the weeks before release. That's what I'm saying. When they keep getting higher, opening weekend is usually even higher than the last projection, when they keep getting lower, opening weekend is on the lower end of those projections, if not even lower. And this seems like the latter.

 

[Hurm...]

I'm hoping that, if this performs badly, that Sony reconsiders including the symbiotes in Spider-Man 4.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm hoping that, if this performs badly, that Sony reconsiders including the symbiotes in Spider-Man 4.

Unless they're going to push it out of 2026, it's probably too late

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm hoping that, if this performs badly, that Sony reconsiders including the symbiotes in Spider-Man 4.

Or it could perform so badly that Sony offers Disney the Spidey movie rights in a discount sale!

 

[Venom 1988]

Unless they're going to push it out of 2026, it's probably too late

Just sub out the symbiotes with lizards lol

 

[Drizzle]

Welcome back, Supreme Leader Snoke!

 

[psylockolussus]

The first two films are not what I could call good but they have their fans, so *shrug*

Everyone always goes nuts over MCU film Tomatometers, well Venom 1 had a 30% rating. Venom 2 had 57%.

Thats because MCU have an exceptional track record in RT (2 rottens out of 34 films). We can't say that to Sony Marvel after TASM2 and the Ghost Rider films, and SSU just didn't have the critical acclaim from the get go.

 

[lenz]

Nobody really cares about RT like they used to. Venom was more an outlier in 2018, not so surprising now. Critics don't have nearly the influence/persuasion they did from say 2010- 2020, particularly for genre fare. Many people are over it to the point its like a middle finger to critics on that site. What will propel this ultimately will be WOM and audience scores, if we go by that RT site. For this franchise that truth won't change.

Personally, I don't think the second film did near enough to get people hyped for this like they were for a film with Carnage.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nobody really cares about RT like they used to. Venom was more an outlier in 2018, not so surprising now. Critics don't have nearly as much influence like they did from say 2010- 2020, particularly for genre fare. What will propel this ultimately will be WOM and audience scores, if we go by that RT site. For this franchise that truth won't change.

Not when Joker 2 and Madame Web completely flopped in RT... Rotten Tomatoes is still relevant and plays a factor in spreading word of mouth. Box office numbers haven't been the same since covid as well and there are fewer movies that can gross over $200 million in North america and $500 million worldwide, unlike in 2018 when the over all box office was much stronger.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nobody really cares about RT like they used to. Venom was more an outlier in 2018, not so surprising now. Critics don't have nearly the influence/persuasion they did from say 2010- 2020, particularly for genre fare. Many people are over it to the point its like a middle finger to critics on that site. What will propel this ultimately will be WOM and audience scores, if we go by that RT site. For this franchise that truth won't change.

Personally, I don't think the second film did near enough go get people hyped for this like they were for a film with Carnage.

Seems like a misnomer.

 

[lenz]

Nobody wanted a Madame Web film and the plot details from Venice hurt Joker 2 more than anything. More than the musical aspect, more than RT critic scores, which people then used as extra gasoline to torch the film and WB.

My point was also geared to audiences liking the film to begin with.

 

[lenz]

Seems like a misnomer.

People still value critics, but I don't think the need for a film you like/love to get validation from critics on a site like RT is what it used to be.

For certain films its almost expected to be negative, and the validation for being right about that has somewhat replaced the rush of a film reaching 90% plus on RT back in the heydey. Basically like a lot of other things in culture, cynicism has prevailed for many on this issue.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nobody wanted a Madame Web film and the plot details from Venice hurt Joker 2 more than anything. More than the musical aspect, more than RT critic scores, which people then used as extra gasoline to torch the film and WB.

My point was also geared to audiences liking the film to begin with.

You do realize more people are waiting for these films to come out in streaming, hence why I mentioned box office as well. Box office numbers are down this year and only six movies in the first ten months of 2024 have crossed the $500 million mark worldwide.

And this is how a good RT rating comes into play, as a good RT rating could convince more people to check the film in the cinemas.

 

[lenz]

People are much more selective about what they see now in theaters not just because of streaming, but because of inflation/ cost of living in general. Like I said, people still value critics, but they have much less sway on what people see for various reasons. There is a definite split that has happened and I'm sure just as many would look at an audience score to decide moreso then a critical review. Particularly for a genre film.

 

[Ihmago]

Ppl here still think a Venom movie is gonna flop?? What is it early 2018 all over again?