Venom Stand Alone Film Moving Forward!

[Blader5489]

If this will be done by Sony, then by all means do it.

If this will be done by Marvel, then for the love of God – don’t. There are plenty of heroic characters to be explored. Daredevil, Moon Knight, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, Deadpool. Etc, etc.

Finally, Venom is not one of the greatest threats to humanity. It’s just some souped up city-level evildoer with a hunger problem. Certainly not of the same level of Ultron, Magneto, Dr. Doom, Red Skull and Loki.

Sony has the rights to it, so they will be doing the movie, not Marvel.

 

[Ceb-Man]

I hope this movie does go forward. Venom vs. Carnage would be great to see. Carnage really would work here. Let other Spidey villians like Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Lizard, Kraven, Vulture, Shocker, etc. go forward in The Spidey franchise.
Using some of Goyer's elements would be awesome to see.

 

[Jick]

Itsnot about fooling people,its just a loophole to get around inorder to not redo an origin story since its obvious the reasoning is that interest of the character is up since SM3. And why does Spidey have to be involvved, the ideaof Goyers film was that Venom was the lesser of 2 evils with Carnage being the enemy which will probably be held up for this project (which may or may not have anything to do with Goyers project)

you didn't understand what I said.
I told you that Spidey must be involved if this is connected to SM3. because Venom's objective is to kill Spidey. and he won't give up until he's dead. and Spidey won't be in Venom movie. that's why this Venom must be new...and not the SM3 one.

If this will be done by Sony, then by all means do it.

If this will be done by Marvel, then for the love of God – don’t. There are plenty of heroic characters to be explored. Daredevil, Moon Knight, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, Deadpool. Etc, etc.

Finally, Venom is not one of the greatest threats to humanity. It’s just some souped up city-level evildoer with a hunger problem. Certainly not of the same level of Ultron, Magneto, Dr. Doom, Red Skull and Loki.

I'd rather see a Deadpool movie 10x more than a Venom, as much as I like him.

Here's all you have to do to have it be a spin off...

Show the final fight scene, where he gets skeltonized. Then cut to underneath the building, later, and have the symbiote stuck to the roof in a big gooey pile. It lowers down, and reveals Eddie. Eddie talks to the symbiote, and finds out that to fool Spider-Man into thinking it killed him, it made it self look like bones, and disconnected that part of it, so it only looked like he got vaporized. Problem solved.

but this is fool peoples mind. they are not that idiot. it will be just a poor excuse to bring Venom back. we all saw that the real Eddie and the symbiote evaporized. and there was no hole in the floor for them to go or something else. and Sam confirmed he's dead. what is done is done. they must have a new Venom, not related to SM3.

The only way this might be any good is if it is a reboot and has nothing to do w/
Venom in SM3, who was terrible, Venom-lite. Diet Venom, ugh.

so agree. but I liked to see Venom in the few minutes he was on-screen

I imagine this film not being made. It's moving forward NOW but things change.

I don't know. they seem pretty confident and seem to really want it...since they're talking to A-list writers.

 

[cerealkiller182]

you didn't understand what I said.
I told you that Spidey must be involved if this is connected to SM3. because Venom's objective is to kill Spidey. and he won't give up until he's dead. and Spidey won't be in Venom movie. that's why this Venom must be new...and not the SM3 one.

I understand your point completely, I just think you're wrong. Venom wanted to kill Spidey in the books but not every story involved Spidey.

 

[Jick]

I understand your point completely, I just think you're wrong. Venom wanted to kill Spidey in the books but not every story involved Spidey.

I know man, like the Lethal Protector storyline.
but I was talking about the SM3 Venom. this one really can't live without killing Spidey, and he really is a villian. like he said: "I like being bad...it makes me happy"
that's why we need another Venom, the comic book one, the lethal protector of innocents. the anti-hero. and make a new story for him that isn't connected to SM3.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I know man, like the Lethal Protector storyline.
but I was talking about the SM3 Venom. this one really can't live without killing Spidey, and he really is a villian. like he said: "I like being bad...it makes me happy"
that's why we need another Venom, the comic book one, the lethal protector of innocents. the anti-hero. and make a new story for him that isn't connected to SM3.

I still see no reason to do it your way. Villain becoming hero is not an improbable storyline.

 

[Jick]

I still see no reason to do it your way. Villain becoming hero is not an improbable storyline.

but resurrecting from the dead is

 

[cerealkiller182]

but resurrecting from the dead is

Are you new to comics?

 

[Jick]

Are you new to comics?

movie-wise, man! we're talking movie-wise here!

 

[cerealkiller182]

movie-wise, man! we're talking movie-wise here!

Whats the difference? Movie verse comic story telling is still fairly new. And lets face it, Venom, connected to SM3 or not, is no blockbuster so the film will be geared toward fans in all likeliness. I see this as a back to basics Carpenter-esque low-budget horror/action flick.

 

[Jick]

Whats the difference? Movie verse comic story telling is still fairly new. And lets face it, Venom, connected to SM3 or not, is no blockbuster so the film will be geared toward fans in all likeliness. I see this as a back to basics Carpenter-esque low-budget horror/action flick.

the difference is that a movie must be taken more seriously. 65% of the money it receives is from the non-fans. some fans can take it, but the big most don't. you know, they can't put any rubbish there and have a weak explanation just to put something. it's way easier to put a new Venom.

 

[cerealkiller182]

the difference is that a movie must be taken more seriously. 65% of the money it receives is from the non-fans. some fans can take it, but the big most don't. you know, they can't put any rubbish there and have a weak explanation just to put something. it's way easier to put a new Venom.

This shouldnt be taken seriously. Look at 300, critical and financial successful and the most historically inacurate film ever filmed and for what purpose? BEcause it looked cooler. Going to the movie is about suspending reality. 2 seconds explaining how Venom survived the first film will be barely memorable and less rubbish than your everyday piece of crap, commercialized film. Its about an ALIEN SYMBIOTE! Explosion survival is the least improbable thing about it.

Just to be clear, I am not saying that an SM3 connection is right or wrong.I just dont see a reason for the complete opposition towards.

You should be clear as well:
Are you talkingabout a complete reboot a la Batman Begins with a completely different origin which I am completely against

or

A la Incredible Hulk where they have no connection to the original but uses the information the general audience picked up from the first to skip exposition and go right into the storyline/action which is what I agree with

 

[Jick]

This shouldnt be taken seriously. Look at 300, critical and financial successful and the most historically inacurate film ever filmed and for what purpose? BEcause it looked cooler. Going to the movie is about suspending reality. 2 seconds explaining how Venom survived the first film will be barely memorable and less rubbish than your everyday piece of crap, commercialized film. Its about an ALIEN SYMBIOTE! Explosion survival is the least improbable thing about it.

Just to be clear, I am not saying that an SM3 connection is right or wrong.I just dont see a reason for the complete opposition towards.

You should be clear as well:
Are you talkingabout a complete reboot a la Batman Begins with a completely different origin which I am completely against

or

A la Incredible Hulk where they have no connection to the original but uses the information the general audience picked up from the first to skip exposition and go right into the storyline/action which is what I agree with

a mix of both. a different Venom with no connections to SM3. if they don't want to give a full-explanation in the beginning, it's ok for me. but eventually, make it a flashback or some sort of thing about how he got the symbiote. kinda like TIH will have and like I Am Legend had. flashbacks to explain what happened before, without committing the integrity of the film.
it can't be connected to SM3 because of Spidey. he is the main motivation of Venom in that movie. the new Venom must be totaly new because it can't be SM3 related. and this shall be taken seriously, they can't just do it like that just to put a charcter on screen or it will suck. it's way easier, more rational and intelligent make a new Venom and work in his personality, then try to explain with some horrible excuse how he survived the last movie, how he would turn good since he stated that he likes being bad and why he isn't angry at Spidey anymore and suddenly wants to protect the innocents. this would be flawed

 

[cerealkiller182]

a mix of both. a different Venom with no connections to SM3. if they don't want to give a full-explanation in the beginning, it's ok for me. but eventually, make it a flashback or some sort of thing about how he got the symbiote. kinda like TIH will have and like I Am Legend had. flashbacks to explain what happened before, without committing the integrity of the film.
it can't be connected to SM3 because of Spidey. he is the main motivation of Venom in that movie. the new Venom must be totaly new because it can't be SM3 related. and this shall be taken seriously, they can't just do it like that just to put a charcter on screen or it will suck. it's way easier, more rational and intelligent make a new Venom and work in his personality, then try to explain with some horrible excuse how he survived the last movie, how he would turn good since he stated that he likes being bad and why he isn't angry at Spidey anymore and suddenly wants to protect the innocents. this would be flawed

You keep saying this.Yes in SM3 he wanted to killSpiderman but the Venom spin off is a different movie,a new storyline,a new chapter in the story of movie Venom. Whose to say that he wouldnt react differently in some other situation. You make Venom out to be such one-note character that Im surprised you even want a Venom film at all.

Venom is more interesting with Spiderman the same way Catwoman is more interesting with Batman. He doesnt hate people or the world,he hates Spiderman. He is blinded by emotion and rage and revenge so when you take spiderman out of the equation, he might use the power for good or like any anti-hero be forced into a situation where he has to stand up and be a hero.

I agree the resurrection thing is a speed bump but once your over it and Venom is kicking ass I dont think viewers will care about it. Keep in mind that this is a genre-pic that will target a very limited audience (at least if the studio is smart about it theywill)

 

[Jick]

You keep saying this.

I keep saying because you refuse to get it. you're convinced that SM3 Venom resurrecting and turning good-guy all of a sudden is a good idea when they can......AH, I won't repeat all the again. just read the previous post.

Yes in SM3 he wanted to kill Spiderman but the Venom spin off is a different movie,a new storyline,a new chapter in the story of movie Venom.

thats right! is a different movie, a NEW storyline. but just with the original Venom.

Whose to say that he wouldnt react differently in some other situation. You make Venom out to be such one-note character that Im surprised you even want a Venom film at all.

I want the original Venom! the genuine, the anti-hero. the truly Brock. but you seem to want the lame SM3 Venom again instead of getting something better when we have the opportunity to this.

Venom is more interesting with Spiderman the same way Catwoman is more interesting with Batman. He doesnt hate people or the world,he hates Spiderman. He is blinded by emotion and rage and revenge so when you take spiderman out of the equation, he might use the power for good or like any anti-hero be forced into a situation where he has to stand up and be a hero.

you're talking about the comic Venom here. the altruist one. the same that put the symbiote under fire once to save something important of a blaze.
SM3 Venom was almost as villain as Norman was. if not worse. villain and bad enough to put MJ's life in danger just to get to Spidey. villain and bad enough to threaten Sandmans family just to get to Spidey. he can do everything just to get to Spidey. he wouldn't stop until he gets it. he's evil, he's bad, he's a villain. and not the Venom that we need and were hoping to see.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Please, I didn't think Topher was all that horrible as Venom. How is it his fault they gave him so little to work on nor did they sweeten up his voice in post production to sound like Eddie and the symbiote?

 

[Jick]

Please, I didn't think Topher was all that horrible as Venom. How is it his fault they gave him so little to work on nor did they sweeten up his voice in post production to sound like Eddie and the symbiote?

I didn't, too. lame is the way the character was driven, the way he was written and led. Topher just did his job. he was great. it's not his fault what they did.

777

 

[cerealkiller182]

I keep saying because you refuse to get it. you're convinced that SM3 Venom resurrecting and turning good-guy all of a sudden is a good idea when they can......AH, I won't repeat all the again. just read the previous post.

I do get your point. What you refuse to get is that the comic Venom did the very thing you say won't make sense.

thats right! is a different movie, a NEW storyline. but just with the original Venom. I want the original Venom!

What is so different from the movie Venom? Did he not go from Spideyhater to LethalProtector?

the genuine, the anti-hero. the truly Brock. but you seem to want the lame SM3 Venom again instead of getting something better when we have the opportunity to this.

Change the characterization of the character. I have noproblem with it. I am arguing for keeping the connection to SM3. Topher already said hes not coming back, and the creative team will prolly be different thus bring the character in different and new directions.

you're talking about the comic Venom here. the altruist one. the same that put the symbiote under fire once to save something important of a blaze.
SM3 Venom was almost as villain as Norman was. if not worse. villain and bad enough to put MJ's life in danger just to get to Spidey. villain and bad enough to threaten Sandmans family just to get to Spidey. he can do everything just to get to Spidey. he wouldn't stop until he gets it. he's evil, he's bad, he's a villain. and not the Venom that we need and were hoping to see.

The characters screentime in SM3 was so little that this description is just assumption. Character development can still be implemented to get your beloved Venom.

 

[Rac]

as long as it has nothing to do with SM3...I'm ok.

Seconded.

 

[Jick]

I do get your point. What you refuse to get is that the comic Venom did the very thing you say won't make sense.

wth are you talking about?

What is so different from the movie Venom? Did he not go from Spideyhater to LethalProtector?

everything! I already said (5 times i think) what it is
and the comic one didn't like being bad

Change the characterization of the character. I have noproblem with it. I am arguing for keeping the connection to SM3. Topher already said hes not coming back, and the creative team will prolly be different thus bring the character in different and new directions.

and what I have been saying so far?
no connections with SM3, totaly new thing.

The characters screentime in SM3 was so little that this description is just assumption. Character development can still be implemented to get your beloved Venom.

pay attention in the bold. there's nothing to be implemented to a dead villain, dead bad guy, dead man who said he LIKED being bad, who knew what he wanted.
comic Venom is totaly different. don't make me repeat everything again. no offense, but looks like I'm talking to a 5 years old boy. you're hard to get. interpret my previous posts because I already stated everything. I gave you all the points. you're ignoring because you want a dead villain to come back from the dead and changing his objectives and personality all of a suden just cause some fans want when is WAY easier to bring the original anti-hero and develop his personality and his character in the right manner and with a plausible story

 

[Blader5489]

Please, I didn't think Topher was all that horrible as Venom. How is it his fault they gave him so little to work on nor did they sweeten up his voice in post production to sound like Eddie and the symbiote?

And how exactly does anyone know what Venom sounds like? You can't listen to comics, you know.

 

[Jick]

And how exactly does anyone know what Venom sounds like? You can't listen to comics, you know.

he could sound like the Venom from the Spider-Man game (PS1).
that was perfect.

 

[Arcturus]

I'm looking forward to this film.

 

[cerealkiller182]

wth are you talking about?



everything! I already said (5 times i think) what it is
and the comic one didn't like being bad



and what I have been saying so far?
no connections with SM3, totaly new thing.



pay attention in the bold. there's nothing to be implemented to a dead villain, dead bad guy, dead man who said he LIKED being bad, who knew what he wanted.
comic Venom is totaly different. don't make me repeat everything again. no offense, but looks like I'm talking to a 5 years old boy. you're hard to get. interpret my previous posts because I already stated everything. I gave you all the points. you're ignoring because you want a dead villain to come back from the dead and changing his objectives and personality all of a suden just cause some fans want when is WAY easier to bring the original anti-hero and develop his personality and his character in the right manner and with a plausible story

I understand. The Venom portrayed in the movie is not exactly the same as the comic version. I have already stated that the connection to SM3 is not entirely necessary. I have stated that it is possible that the character from the movies is redeemable. That there is no reason to rewrite the history of Venom for the sake of fan boys. That there is no reason that a villain who appeared at the end of a movie under false direction cannot be saved by 2seconds of dialogue. The only thing I disagree with is that the character introduced at the end of a bad movieis defined bythat appearance. Do not compare me to a 5 year old! I have always accepted your way of thinking to some degree and only opposed your fanboy elitism of neglecting what happened in SM3just to meet your own needs. You arethinking like Quesada right now. Sorry if i wasnt always clear about it before.

EDIT- In retrospet, I would like to apologize if I came off harsh. Im from MA and the Patsjust lost the SuperBowl plus imkinda drunk. But i think I amgoing to stick to my convictions.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Venom is lame without spidey.. sorry but its true. the venom solo series are pretty much known for there suckage... plus spidey even then was still involved in some way. plus honestly a venom without spidey reference isn't venom we know at all... whats the point?