The Dark Knight Rises Villains you most want to see in sequels? (Post fan art if yee wish)

[Gianakin_]

I've yet to see that film, but I will check it out. It is an interesting take on the Riddler, though, and one that makes sense with where they might go from TDK.

 

[The Demon's Head]

Hmmm. What if Catwoman hunts down Black Mask and his crime-ring? Members of the False- Face society would be found dead, with their faces badly scratched underneath their masks. Selina would be after Black Mask because of what he's done to her sister.

 

[ArkumAsylum]

i would prefer to see villans no used on the big screen yet like clayface.
this guy hs some interesing theories, chek him out

http://411movienews.blogspot.com/2010/08/nolans-third-and-final-batmanthe-dark.html

 

[howl]

bane and deadshot.

i still stick with who i'd dig to play each villain
javier bardem as bane, and timothy olyphant as floyd.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

Does anybody think that Hugo Strange could possibly be slightly reworked for a role simular to how many here concieve the Riddler being portrayed? What I mean is that I'm all for the Riddler appearing in the next film but reguardless as to whether he will or not this time,I'm pretty sure he'll appear onscreen (again) at some point be it in a live action movie,a live action series or both.

I could see the GCPD bringing in Strange as a psychologist in an attempt to help capture Batman by trying to understand who he is behind the mask and what motivates him. I could even see an opening scene of Strange in Arkham interviewing an inmate (ie Crane,Zsasz but in this case preferably an unused cameo villian like Firefly or Harley Quinn as a nod to the Joker for example) and a flashback sequence as to how Batman apprehended him/her. The question of "Is Batman's prescence the cause of more of those with a 'taste for theatrics' running rampant more and more in Gotham City ?"

As the movie progresses,Strange himself becomes increasingly obsessed with Batman to the point where he wants to be Batman as does his comic book counterpart.

I,personally, see certain simularities and characteristics between Strange and the Riddler that could work for either character. What it comes down to is an obsession with Batman that totally unhinges an already unstable yet brilliant mind.Simularily,to go off topic for a moment, I'd rather they use the Scorpion before Venom in the next series of Spider-Man movies to display the whole cat and mouse mind games that I think they missed out in what could have been Spider-Man 4.

Anyways,back to topic... I know that Strange ranks pretty low compared to most potential villians on the poll here but does anybody think he could be a "suitable replacement" for the Riddler?

 

[Spike_x1]

I definitely recommend the Knightfall trilogy. Bane is one of the greatest mental threats Batman has ever faced(and physical of course). The problem is that after that writers couldn't really think of what else to do with him.

This isn't addressed at you, but at the bafflingly general consensus that Bane's only claim to fame is breaking Batman's back and the rest of the Knightfall storyline. I don't often post in this forum, but I do keep tabs on discussions and such, and I feel a need to address this. "The problem is that after that writers couldn't really think of what else to do with him"? Really? This idea always surprises me when I see it on message boards, and for the life of me, I just can't understand why that's such a popular opinion. And it is a VERY popular thought people have, but if you ask them if they've read any Bane stories other than Knightfall, they almost always say no. Now, unless someone has actually read the stories Bane's been in and followed his character development (and in most cases I've seen, people have not), I don't see how they can make that judgement.

Am I the only one who read Vengeance of Bane II, which was set immediately after Knightfall? It shows Bane going through severe venom withdrawal in prison, then murdering his way into solitary confinement for six months just so that he can overcome his debilitating addiction through meditation and exercise in peace (with a little help from the Ratcatcher).

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Yes, despite how every version outside of the comics chooses to characterize Bane, the comics' Bane (the only one that counts and has actual depth to him) hates venom and was only on the drug for one storyarc in canon. And you know what? He came back more dangerous than ever before after kicking the addiction, since he didn't have a bunch of chemicals clouding his mind anymore and his martial arts skills were still up there with Batman's, and his strength was far above the norm even without drugs. That story was way back in 1995 (only two years after he debuted, BTW), and was a HUGE step forward in his character development, but people still think he's just this dude on steroids who hasn't done jack s**t since snapping Batman's spine?

WTF?

Contrary to popular belief, venom was faaaar from the only string to Bane's bow. The only purpose the drug even served in Knightfall was to be Bane's Achilles heal to be exploited when Jean Paul Valley made him overuse it, then quickly cut him off. Venom served no purpose at all in Bane's actual plan to bring Batman down (other than maybe pumping up the Riddler as part of his gauntlet). If they actually adapt that plotline to the big screen, then yeah, venom was his big weakness in that story to be used to defeat him at the end. If that's the case with the direction of the story, go ahead and have him use venom. But unless they are doing an adaptation of Knightfall, I'd say that they should leave the drug out of the plot entirely. Venom is not central to his character, and doesn't need to be brought in if Bane is adapted into a movie. If they bring Bane into a future movie (and I'm not entirely convinced they can do it without f**king him up, considering how few people apparently read the comics that actually explore his character, which Knightfall barely got into), it should focus on adapting his relationship with Ra's Al Ghul and how that relates to Batman, since it gives Bane more depth and motivation to conquer Batman than he originally had when he first appeared. I actually prefer the Bane of the Demon story over Knightfall anyway. Bane gets to bang Talia, slaughter hordes of the League of Assassins, outwit Ra's Al Ghul and come within spitting distance of taking over his empire, and eventually replaces Bruce Wayne as Ra's' heir. Holy crap, how do people really believe he hasn't done anything since Knightfall? Honestly!

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Even though he lost the fight and is kind of a crappy swordsman, that was damn impressive, IMO!

Forget that Knightfall is even on his list of accomplishments. Bane's interactions with Ra's Al Ghul are, in my opinion, even more interesting, and are probably the angle that a possible movie should take inspiration from, since Ra's is already part of Movie Batman's origin. Maybe they can find a way to work Bane into the backstory of Bruce's training with the League of Shadows. Or they could adapt the story of Bane's quest for his father, which led him to the possibility that Thomas Wayne might be his dad. Screw it, I dunno. If those ideas don't suit you, there are plenty of other options that they can take inspiration from if Bane is brought into a movie. Like in NML, for example, when he massacred Two-Face's gang and then beat up the Joker. Or Legacy, where Bane and Ra's Al Ghul were unleashing a plague in Gotham. Or the Tabula Rasa story from Gotham Knights, where he tries to find out if Thomas Wayne is his dad and explores a sort of brotherly rivalry with Bruce before leaving on mostly friendly terms with the Bat Family.

I'm not saying that I absolutely want to see Bane in a movie (in fact, if he was announced as the next villain, I'd be petrified that they'd screw it up more than I'd be excited), but I'm just trying to illustrate the fact that he's got buckets of character development that they could translate to film, and they don't have to use Knightfall as the end-all, be-all basis for how they portray him in a movie. One part Edmond Dantès, one part Batman's evil twin, and one part big bodybuilding ninja genius who dresses vaguely like a Mexican wrestler. What's not interesting about that?

 

[RustyCage]

AWESOME post, Spike! It's about time someone stepped in and said that!!

The examples you provided were a great step back into a character I had foolishly become jaded to. Thanks.

 

[sabetoonth]

As a Bane fan, all of that is why i love the character, and Ive rarely mentioned venom becuase it isnt a huge if at all big part of who Bane is

 

[regwec]

I think the principle thing that people need to glean from Spike's post is that Ra's al Ghul is the daddy.

 

[Spike_x1]

Ra's is indeed pretty pimptastic.

 

[Nimibro]

hey, a bit of a stretch, but maybe, as a minor villain/cameo in batman 3, Proffesor Pyg from the curent "Batman and Robin" series?

 

[regwec]

I think he barely works in the comic- he really is a broad example of Grant Morrison's hallucinatory school of surrealist body horror.

 

[jezza]

I'm not an avid reader of the comics it has to be said, I've gone through some of the more all known graphic novels (year one, long Halloween etc) and after reading Spike's post it's given me an insight into how, if you have a top class screen writer you can make almost any character have a great level of depth.

If Bane was to be included in the next Batman film, one of the few people who could do him any form of justice would probably be Nolan. Admittedly Nolan likes to tweak the characters to his liking and cause controversy (perma White anyone?) but the end result Is generally pleasing and very fitting to his vision. If Nolan and his team were comic book artists he would probably have the same impact on the franchise as Frank Miller, people would be unfamiliar with his direction but would really come to respect it.

I never really considered Bane a viable character if it were any other director, they seem to seem to put them into some form of stereotype. Nolan has shown us thus far that if you take key characters away from their stereotype then you can please most of the fans without alienating the casual audience.

 

[Figs]

Perhaps Nigma could create The Riddler as a fictional master criminal who leaves clues and puzzles in the wake of a series of staged robberies and high profile crimes. It could be done with Gordon's clearance as a means of drawing out Batman - a series of unsolvable crimes.

Then if you wanted to go outright villain with Nigma, have him start to crack under the pressures of the case and adopt the Riddler persona for real.

I like everything you said here. That's a great idea I would be down for in the next film.

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I don't think that I'll be disappointed in whomever is chosen to be the next movie's antagonists. Don't get me wrong,I love the thrill of possibly seeing anybody from Black Mask,Killer Croc, Hugo Strange,Deadshot or Talia for the first time as much as Nolan's versions of The Riddler,Catwoman,Bane or whomever.These movies are about Batman first,a who's who of rogues comes after that. Which ever villians are picked will be best suited for this chapter in the world of Batman. I just want to see an incredible script made into an incredible movie. Any villian we don't get this time only gives us something to look forward to in the future.

Given that,are there any villians that you specifically want to see under Nolan's direction or any villians you specifically want to see under any other certain director?

 

[Changeling]

Id love to see Professor Pyg in a Mr. Zsasz sized role, and Black Mask and the Penguin fighting to take control of the mob. With Riddler as the main villain.

 

[The Infernal]

Oh, no doubt Nigma should be utterly repugnant, even when not breaking the law. Have you ever seen The Frighteners? Jeffrey Combs character in that, FBI agent Milton Dammers, could be a really good template for how to portray The Riddler, albeit perhaps not quite so comedically grotesque.

Hmm, now I've read that I can't help but think that Combs would be a good Riddler.

Although I'm more in favour as having Bane as the main villain. Done right his character could be a dark mirror to Batman. He's got the intelligence and the muscles.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I definitely recommend the Knightfall trilogy. Bane is one of the greatest mental threats Batman has ever faced(and physical of course). The problem is that after that writers couldn't really think of what else to do with him.

1) His plan wasnt all that smart. He basically had batman chase down all his rogues for two weeks without stop, without sleep, and then he beat him up when he could barely stand from exhaustion. Bane is a *****.

2) I just cant buy that a guy who is so full of muscles and wears that ridiculous Mexican wrestling costume can be that smart. I mean he can, but i cant take him seriously. You can either be a mountain of muscles, or you can be smart. If he is that smart, why does he need his venom?

3) God i hate Bane.

I actually prefer the Bane of the Demon story over Knightfall anyway. Bane gets to bang Talia, slaughter hordes of the League of Assassins, outwit Ra's Al Ghul and come within spitting distance of taking over his empire, and eventually replaces Bruce Wayne as Ra's' heir. Holy crap, how do people really believe he hasn't done anything since Knightfall? Honestly!

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Who wrote that fanservice to Bane? Bane himself? God, WTF is this crap?
And what is it with Ras and finding men to bang his daughter?

hey, a bit of a stretch, but maybe, as a minor villain/cameo in batman 3, Proffesor Pyg from the curent "Batman and Robin" series?

He requires a more "open" interpretation of Batman to work. In the nolanverse he'd just be creepy beyond words. He works in B&R because its full of colour, humor and action.

 

[regwec]

Bane really is an intelligent character. I can see why you would be disinclined to accept that based on his absurd 90s costume and musculature, but in truth he has developed a great deal since his debut.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I know he is, its just that his plan in Knightfall wasnt that ingenius. And i cant say that i have read/watched any good stories with him so maybe that's another reason why i dont like him.

But i've heard that he's very good in Secret Six.

 

[Matt]

I don't think we'll see Bane.

Catwoman will probably be there.

Riddler is possible. Its what a lot of people expect. Its the logical choice. But I don't think Nolan will go for the obvious choice though.

Black Mask, maybe. I could see Roman Sionis being the new mobster, but I can't see him being the main villain.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Hush. It seems like it would be up Nolan's alley. He is down to Earth enough that he works in the Nolan-verse and is one of the ones that no one would see coming.

 

[The Infernal]

I thought Catwoman was confirmed to not be in the next one. I vaguely remember reading something along that lines somewhere.

 

[baleheadbrasil]

I thought Catwoman was confirmed to not be in the next one. I vaguely remember reading something along that lines somewhere.

I also read that somewhere,but people still insist she will be in the movie.
But I believe she won´t be.
I think we´ll have surprises!

 

[baleheadbrasil]

Riddler is possible. Its what a lot of people expect. Its the logical choice. But I don't think Nolan will go for the obvious choice though.

If The Riddler is a logical choice,Catwoman also is.

 

[Figs]

I'm really crossing my fingers for The Ventriloquist and Scarface along with Riddler and Catwoman of course.

I think he would be a great addition, as a villian trying to gain control of Gotham territory now that a lot (hopefully most, also crossing my fingers that Maroni died in the car crash)of the mob is dead from Joker.

He's also one of the freaks that's not too "out there" for Nolan to use.