The Dark Knight Rises Villains you most want to see in sequels? (Post fan art if yee wish)

[hatebox]

Did I mention I want lots of rain scenes?

 

[Gianakin_]

Snow!

 

[DCRanger]

I'd say that Hugo Strange should be the main villain. He can fill the role of Batman's nemesis, and the climactic threat of the film. This is who I see Tom Hardy playing.

The featured "villain", however, should probably be Catwoman. She is the only character I can think of who could generate the same excitement amongst the mainstream that The Joker did for The Dark Knight. But I'd say that while she'd likely be an antagonist for Batman (initially, at least), she'd be more a foil/love interest than an outright villain.

I'd say that on top of these two, we'd also need a third villain, a gangster-type to serve as the ostensive menace that Batman has to deal with in the film's opening acts until the true threat emerges - like with Falcone in Batman Begins or Maroni/Lau in The Dark Knight. It could be cool for Black Mask to fill this role here, though Rupert Thorne could also work.

ITA... every word.

Hugo Strange and Catwoman

(with a small side of The Penquin as your third villain, a gangster-type... screen time equivalent to Maroni and/or Falcone).

Penquin doesn't have to be a total freak... just a short robust mob guy with a big nose and a taste for tuxedos and a umbrella/rifle. A nervous condition that sounds like a duck quack could be squeezed in, too.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

I would be super, super happy if we got something similiar to the following:

1. Hugo Strange - Main Villain -- the criminal mastermind and psychologist pulling the strings, trying to deduce Batman's identity and destory him, working with the police, etc.

2. Black Mask and/or Penguin -- Mob freaks who fill the void left by the Joker's underworld chaos

3. Catwoman -- jewel thief by night, socialite and activist by day, love interest of Bruce Wayne/Batman

 

[LetThereBeLava]

seeing as its the last (nolan) film,ide like a break in the formula,so that something genuinely earth-shattering could happen. i honestly dont see that much potential in the favourites to be picked.

Bane - Well,theres some potential here,going on the knightfall story (i know youve already discussed this indepth,but i think interpreting banes rise and fall could make an interesting script.unfortunately,bane doesnt adapt well unless hes massively changed.no wrestling suits,please.also,part of the success of the knightfall story was a) batman loses
b) the chance to see a replacement in action
i dont think theres time enough in one film to flesh out those successes and so my "earthshattering" wish probably couldnt be fulfilled.

Black Mask - interesting choice,but not as a main villain,he wouldnt have the box office draw,he lacks depth and he'd more likely be stepping into sal and carmines shoes. a maybe.

Catwoman - ick.never liked her,although i gather shes a very popular choice.as a secondry villain,perhaps,and i know she has the mass market appeal (not as much as the macabre thrill-lets be honest here-added to the chilling performance of ledger as the joker,but more than everyone else listed here except perhaps the riddler) but i dont find her character interesting having grown up with the flimsy performance of michelle pfeiffer in BR.

Clayface - i imagine nolan himself wouldnt choose this one,quite far out and similar enough to spiderman 3's sandman.

Deadshot - an interesting choice for a second or third villain,but i imagine he'd have to be adapted (get rid of the suit for a start)

Doctor Phosphorous - i cant see it.clunky name,no mass market appeal and out of the fantasy side of the rogues gallery

Firefly - possible,but once again as a second or third villain.would liven up the action
scenes.

Harley Quinn - touted strongly in some camps,i wouldnt say shes a strong contender but i can see the reasoning.

Hugo Strange - personally i would be disappointed if he were chosen as the main villain having seen Ra's and the Joker as the first 2 films primary antagonists. a contender certainly,but i cant imagine warner brothers being to happy having to use him to try to emulate TDK's box office record

Hush - again,not a big league hitter but i prefer him as a choice to Dr Strange. it would be a bit of a surprise if he was chosen.

Killer Croc - again, too far into the world of fantasy that nolan has attempted to avoid.

The Mad Hatter - most likely not a candidate,all things considered. hes not hugely popular, i dont imagine he'd work as a secondary villain, and he has similarities to villains already shouted down (a re-cast joker,the riddler)

Man-Bat - see croc. though i would like to see him make it to the screen eventually,he has potential- the first batman TAS episode with him in it was superb.

Mr. Freeze - ruled out

The Penguin - perhaps as a mob boss as other people have suggested, though nolans dislike of him probably rules him out too

Poison Ivy - hopefully not. uma thurman cremated the character in B&R, and she was playing her close(ish) to how the character acts in the comics.

The Riddler - ruled out.

The Ventriloquist and Scarface - i really,really dont see it.christian bale fighting a guy with an uzi-carrying puppet? not while the man that directed insomnia and memento is in charge.

so if you managed to get through that, you might notice i really am not too gone on any of the characters above. hence, i would love azrael, nightwing or robin to be involved on an antagonistic level.robin probably wouldnt work,and that probably rules out nightwing too,but under the red hood and the dark knight strikes again both hit upon the idea of bruces protegés turning on him,something i would love to see.failing that,i think azrael,harvey bullock and one of the more famous choices ive gone through above (perhaps with sal maroni or rupert thorne involved mob-wise) would make for a powerful conclusion to nolans trilogy,especially if the script is written with an anything goes philosophy.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Good, analytical first post, LetThereBeLava. Welcome to the Hype!

 

[Figs]

While I agree that it's a fairly good post it's basically him saying he doesn't really like or want the majority of Batman's villians in the next film.

I fully have to disagree with Rupert Thorne. Why would you want his boring fat ass in the film. Not only is it yet another mobster which we got enough of in the last two films but as I said before, he's boring. It would only lead to more mob crap when Batman has so many great villians to choose from.

 

[Knight Rise]

i think the ones that are most reasonable being in it are

Black Mask
Penguin
Deadshot
Catwoman
Bane (meh sorta)
Hush (from my point of view)

 

[LetThereBeLava]

While I agree that it's a fairly good post it's basically him saying he doesn't really like or want the majority of Batman's villians in the next film.

I fully have to disagree with Rupert Thorne. Why would you want his boring fat ass in the film. Not only is it yet another mobster which we got enough of in the last two films but as I said before, he's boring. It would only lead to more mob crap when Batman has so many great villians to choose from.

well,yes and no.alot of what i was saying was trying to second guess who could realistically be chosen (hence not giving my thoughts on people like clayface,killer croc,the riddler and mr freeze),although yes i did get carried away on people i think are likely to show up in TDKR,because thats kind of the point of the thread.

and im not championing rupert thorne,ide prefer eric roberts to return,but to have the penguin or the black mask show up in the nolanverse as mob bosses just strikes me as a bit strange,i think it would be changing the nature of the trilogy.

 

[sabetoonth]

Joker was the mark of when the freaks are coming out to play, so freaks who are part of the mob i dont see as too much of a stretch.

Croc's disease, aside from his being green really, is an actualy disease, he has a REALLY bad case of it. something like that i could see working. Clayface is really out there in his more recent interpretations, though iirc the first one was a serial killer in a clay mask.

 

[Keyser Soze]

One idea I had: you know how we had a bunch of cheap Batman impersonators at the beginning of The Dark Knight? Perhaps we could have a bunch of cheap Joker impersonators show up in the early stages of the third film. And maybe some of the lesser-revered gimmicky "freaks" like Mad Hatter and The Ventriloquist could be among them.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont think so. After all that the Joker did in TDK, I doubt there would be people rooting for him. Gotham cant have that many madmen.

In Batman Beyond it makes sense because the Joker is long gone, so the teenagers dont really know the horror of the real joker and his crimes.

 

[GothamAlleys]

I think Bane is perfect for Nolan. Bane, with all his tactical skills, high intelligence and extreme physical capabilities, is a villain that would be very fitting with Nolan's take and style.
Penguin is one of my favorite villains but he wouldnt work on film - hes just a guy with a long nose and shooting umbrellas, thats why he had to be reinvented for BR. Hes great in cartoons and comic books, but in a movie, in his unchanged form, I dont think he'd work.
Riddler I was never a fan of. Not that I dont like him, I just preferred other villains. Im glad he's out

 

[Doc Samson]

Joker was the mark of when the freaks are coming out to play, so freaks who are part of the mob i dont see as too much of a stretch.

Croc's disease, aside from his being green really, is an actualy disease, he has a REALLY bad case of it. something like that i could see working. Clayface is really out there in his more recent interpretations, though iirc the first one was a serial killer in a clay mask.

This is why, at least to me, Black Mask makes the most sense. He bridges the gap between the mob of old, and the rise of the freaks. Not only that but he's just as dangerous to Bruce Wayne as he is Batman. Assuming they would use the Roman Sionis version, he would have the resources to destroy Wayne Enterprises, especially if he starts kidnapping key officials (like he did to Luscious) and using his affinity for torture, dismantles the whole company

 

[itsthebatman]

I'd say that Hugo Strange should be the main villain. He can fill the role of Batman's nemesis, and the climactic threat of the film. This is who I see Tom Hardy playing.

The featured "villain", however, should probably be Catwoman. She is the only character I can think of who could generate the same excitement amongst the mainstream that The Joker did for The Dark Knight. But I'd say that while she'd likely be an antagonist for Batman (initially, at least), she'd be more a foil/love interest than an outright villain.

I'd say that on top of these two, we'd also need a third villain, a gangster-type to serve as the ostensive menace that Batman has to deal with in the film's opening acts until the true threat emerges - like with Falcone in Batman Begins or Maroni/Lau in The Dark Knight. It could be cool for Black Mask to fill this role here, though Rupert Thorne could also work.

Perfect. This is definitely what I'd love to see.

 

[sabetoonth]

This is why, at least to me, Black Mask makes the most sense. He bridges the gap between the mob of old, and the rise of the freaks. Not only that but he's just as dangerous to Bruce Wayne as he is Batman. Assuming they would use the Roman Sionis version, he would have the resources to destroy Wayne Enterprises, especially if he starts kidnapping key officials (like he did to Luscious) and using his affinity for torture, dismantles the whole company

exactly. he is a freak becuase he wears a mask, becuase he likes to torture people, and he is a mobster because he leads an organization, he leads it ruthlessly, he runs it really for the same reason he runs his company-greed, he wants things, and if he cant acquire it as Roman, he will try to acquire it as The Black Mask.

I think Bane is perfect for Nolan. Bane, with all his tactical skills, high intelligence and extreme physical capabilities, is a villain that would be very fitting with Nolan's take and style.
Penguin is one of my favorite villains but he wouldnt work on film - hes just a guy with a long nose and shooting umbrellas, thats why he had to be reinvented for BR. Hes great in cartoons and comic books, but in a movie, in his unchanged form, I dont think he'd work.
Riddler I was never a fan of. Not that I dont like him, I just preferred other villains. Im glad he's out

Ive always wanted Bane done justice, he doesnt even need Venom, he is naturally huge. as it is, Venom pushes that even farther.

Make Bane as much a man on a mission as Bruce is, but give him a different mission-Destroy the Batman

 

[Knight Rise]

Bane on his own mission. He would have to have a motive for destroying Batman. he just cant waltz out and be like "Yeah your mine now". Maybe he can be a former cop or someone who lost somebody during the death of 5 people. But personally, i dont see Bane for TDKR

 

[GothamAlleys]

I think Venom is an important part of Bane because its really his only weakness. I think Nolan could do some very interesting things with it

 

[Bat-Mite]

Croc's disease, aside from his being green really, is an actualy disease, he has a REALLY bad case of it. something like that i could see working.

Indeed. I found a picture of someone that I would imagine Croc would have looked like as a boy. As far as the realism stuff goes, they could have made the Joker permawhite and still kept it realistic (Michael Jackson, anyone?), but they chose not to, I think, because they preferred the makeup aesthetic. Hell, if they wanted to, they could even put a character in there as a "werewolf" and say they have hypertrichosis. The world we live in is more diverse than many of us can even imagine.

Some folks may find this image disturbing:

Spoiler

 

[sabetoonth]

Bane on his own mission. He would have to have a motive for destroying Batman. he just cant waltz out and be like "Yeah your mine now". Maybe he can be a former cop or someone who lost somebody during the death of 5 people. But personally, i dont see Bane for TDKR

He's still human, despite being a damn good fighter, at least on par with Bruce, and a good tactician, he is just as vulnrable too. he can wear a suit, he can wear a mask. and theres a really simple thing that can constitute his reason for wanting Bats gone-Fame for taking down the dreaded Batman. he could be some kind of Vigilante, more brutal than Bats, willing to cross that line in the name of justice.

Indeed. I found a picture of someone that I would imagine Croc would have looked like as a boy. As far as the realism stuff goes, they could have made the Joker permawhite and still kept it realistic (Michael Jackson, anyone?), but they chose not to, I think, because they preferred the makeup aesthetic. Hell, if they wanted to, they could even put a character in there as a "werewolf" and say they have hypertrichosis. The world we live in is more diverse than many of us can even imagine.

Some folks may find this image disturbing:

Spoiler

Ive never found that kind of image any time i google epidermic hyperkeratosis

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I'd love to see Mad Hatter simply because he's so disturbing, but I think it would have to be an R rated Batman film because of his...um...history.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Ive never found that kind of image any time i google epidermic hyperkeratosis

Ichthyosis is the condition I searched for to find that. Someone on here mentioned it before.

 

[Knight Rise]

He's still human, despite being a damn good fighter, at least on par with Bruce, and a good tactician, he is just as vulnrable too. he can wear a suit, he can wear a mask. and theres a really simple thing that can constitute his reason for wanting Bats gone-Fame for taking down the dreaded Batman. he could be some kind of Vigilante, more brutal than Bats, willing to cross that line in the name of justice.

i dont see that at all for a Nolanized Bane. no way, it doesnt seem to fit into the meaning these past 2 films have brought and what this 3rd one is going to bring.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I wonder just how good the odds are that we'll get Bane? I can definitely see him living up to the type of threat The Joker posed in TDK...

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I know I run the risk of sounding completely stupid asking this, but I'm watching Batman: Under the Red Hood as I type this, and I'm just wondering...does Black Mask have much more in the way of interesting character traits beyond this angry mob boss with a skull for a face shtick? The support must be coming from somewhere.