Visorless Cyclops

[unstoppable]

if he wasn't such a bad character I'd be more emotional about this

 

[ElectroFlare]

if he wasn't such a bad character I'd be more emotional about this

What makes him a bad character? He's not a bad character...

Now, from what I hear, he's currently written badly, but that doesn't make him a bad character. I'm currently not reading right now due to the fact that I don't have enough time. I barely get time to post in the RPG.

Maybe he's just not a character you like...that's fine. Doesn't make him a bad character. Makes him one you dislike.

I don't like Batman personally. Does that make him a bad character? No. Batman is a good character, and written so most of the time. I can believe that a person would act as Batman does. Some of the things he does are a bit hard to swallow sometimes, but he is still a good character. Am I wrong for not liking Batman? No.

So what about Cyclops makes him a bad character, aside from some people not liking his character?

 

[unstoppable]

of the time. I can believe that a person would act as Batman does. Some of the things he does are a bit hard to swallow sometimes, ?

if batman thinkshe need to do something it needs to be done there's no hard swallowing if he eats a kitten that'd just make me read him more oftem

 

[ElectroFlare]

if batman thinkshe need to do something it needs to be done there's no hard swallowing if he eats a kitten that'd just make me read him more oftem

I'm sorry, I don't think you understand.

My saying that some things Batman does are hard to swallow had nothing to do with eating a kitten, which is ridiculous. Here's an example.

Batman is supposed to have mastered over a hundred martial arts.

Batman is also human and has no special learning abilities or anything like that. Normal humans take decades to master a single martial art.

*By master I mean being able to use the martial art at an extremely high level, not the arbitrary rank that is given out in modern martial arts schools. Some of these people may very well have mastered it, but many have not.

That is one thing about Batman that is hard to swallow.

Now let's get back to discussing Cyclops and the visor.

 

[unstoppable]

I'm sorry, I don't think you understand.

My saying that some things Batman does are hard to swallow had nothing to do with eating a kitten, which is ridiculous. Here's an example.

Batman is supposed to have mastered over a hundred martial arts.

Batman is also human and has no special learning abilities or anything like that. Normal humans take decades to master a single martial art.

*By master I mean being able to use the martial art at an extremely high level, not the arbitrary rank that is given out in modern martial arts schools. Some of these people may very well have mastered it, but many have not.

That is one thing about Batman that is hard to swallow.

Now let's get back to discussing Cyclops and the visor.

he saved time instead of learning one fighting style in ten years he dedicated all of his day to different fighting style over the course of a decade or so and yes lets get back on topic

 

[Hulkster]

I don't think they will dispose Cyke's visor, because it's Cyke's trademark. But the costume is cool, I know I've said this before but I hope they keep that costume for good.

 

[Torchd]

But what would being able to control his powers do for him if he still wore his visor when ever he is in uniform which is alot. I think that's why he is in the costume that is in because he wouldn't look stupid without it lol

 

[ShadowBoxing]

he saved time instead of learning one fighting style in ten years he dedicated all of his day to different fighting style over the course of a decade or so and yes lets get back on topic

Doesn't work that way. It is impossible for the human body to learn too many physical activities at once without them cutting into eachother.

With Bruce Wayne we are forced to believe he expanded his fighting ability, strength, speed, agility and intelligence to peak levels in the course of 12 years.

I don't feel like I have to explain what the problem or conflict is with attempting to increase your strength without sacrificing speed, agility or flexibility.

Point is a human cannot train too many neurological movements at once, they conflict with eachother.

 

[unstoppable]

Doesn't work that way. It is impossible for the human body to learn too many physical activities at once without them cutting into eachother.

With Bruce Wayne we are forced to believe he expanded his fighting ability, strength, speed, agility and intelligence to peak levels in the course of 12 years.

I don't feel like I have to explain what the problem or conflict is with attempting to increase your strength without sacrificing speed, agility or flexibility.

Point is a human cannot train too many neurological movements at once, they conflict with eachother.

he's rich I can find a way

 

[ShadowBoxing]

he's rich I can find a way

He's also fictional, that plays to his advantage.

 

[unstoppable]

He's also fictional, that plays to his advantage.

that helps to

 

[unstoppable]

don't pay attention to this post i'm just testing something


EDIT

 

[Wolverazio]

Doesn't work that way. It is impossible for the human body to learn too many physical activities at once without them cutting into eachother.

With Bruce Wayne we are forced to believe he expanded his fighting ability, strength, speed, agility and intelligence to peak levels in the course of 12 years.

I don't feel like I have to explain what the problem or conflict is with attempting to increase your strength without sacrificing speed, agility or flexibility.

Point is a human cannot train too many neurological movements at once, they conflict with eachother.

Bruce Lee?

Had to.

 

[ElectroFlare]

Bruce Lee?

Had to.

Non-sarcastic question: Could Bruce Lee lift 800 lbs. as Batman is stated as being able to do?


The answer is probably no. Bruce Lee's power, that is, the strength of his techniques, came from just that: technique. Any martial artist will tell you more power lies in technique then does in physical muscle strength. Batman is to have the peak human strength as well as peak agility and speed.

Fact: Muscle is dense. Ever wonder why the faster guys are the smaller, skinnier ones? Ever wonder why the light weights are blazing fast compared to heavy weights? Because they don't have the muscle weighing them down. Batman, however, is said to have extreme muscle mass...wouldn't this slow him down below peak human agility and speed?

Edit: Another point...Bruce Lee trained his entire life...that was his dedication. He did not study physics, chemistry, biology, and everything else that Batman supposedly did in however many years before he became Batman. (Some one in the thread mentioned 12 years i think?) This is the main part of my disliking of the Batman character.

 

[Wolverazio]

Non-sarcastic question: Could Bruce Lee lift 800 lbs. as Batman is stated as being able to do?


The answer is probably no. Bruce Lee's power, that is, the strength of his techniques, came from just that: technique. Any martial artist will tell you more power lies in technique then does in physical muscle strength. Batman is to have the peak human strength as well as peak agility and speed.

Fact: Muscle is dense. Ever wonder why the faster guys are the smaller, skinnier ones? Ever wonder why the light weights are blazing fast compared to heavy weights? Because they don't have the muscle weighing them down. Batman, however, is said to have extreme muscle mass...wouldn't this slow him down below peak human agility and speed?

Edit: Another point...Bruce Lee trained his entire life...that was his dedication. He did not study physics, chemistry, biology, and everything else that Batman supposedly did in however many years before he became Batman. (Some one in the thread mentioned 12 years i think?) This is the main part of my disliking of the Batman character.

I wasn't aware they were making Bats super human now, so my bad on that count.

But I was only throwing Bruce Lee out there in answer to the "a person cannot learn too many physical movements at once." The other facets of the Bat character (and of course, with the ever changing past of the char, anyone can shift around that he only studied chemistry and the like after he began fighting crime as he found it to be a necessity).

The only point is that Bruce Lee lived his life, doing other things (acting, going to school, dating, etc.) and was considered a master or near master (because of the way he learned and performed) by or before the age of 33 (he was only around 33 when he died). Is it exceptional and not literally a master of all these forms of martial arts? Of course. But it's not that far of a stretch (especially since we're saying Bruce dedicated 10 years of his life to learning these and did not have to work as he was filthy rich).

Dislike the character all you like, not trying to dissuade you there. Just saying it's not that ridiculously out of the realm of possiblity (though that 800 lbs crap is entering Bats into meta human range and I honestly had not heard that before).

 

[ElectroFlare]

I wasn't aware they were making Bats super human now, so my bad on that count.

Batman is not supposed to be super-human. That's the major reason I dislike the character, they claim he's human, but he does much more then a human can do.

But I was only throwing Bruce Lee out there in answer to the "a person cannot learn too many physical movements at once." The other facets of the Bat character (and of course, with the ever changing past of the char, anyone can shift around that he only studied chemistry and the like after he began fighting crime as he found it to be a necessity).

The only point is that Bruce Lee lived his life, doing other things (acting, going to school, dating, etc.) and was considered a master or near master (because of the way he learned and performed) by or before the age of 33 (he was only around 33 when he died). Is it exceptional and not literally a master of all these forms of martial arts? Of course. But it's not that far of a stretch (especially since we're saying Bruce dedicated 10 years of his life to learning these and did not have to work as he was filthy rich).

Not arguing that Batman could learn as Bruce Lee did. It's possible. However, Batman is also supposed to be the smartest man in DC. Bruce Lee was no Einstein. He wasn't stupid, but he was not the smartest man in the world.

Dislike the character all you like, not trying to dissuade you there. Just saying it's not that ridiculously out of the realm of possiblity (though that 800 lbs crap is entering Bats into meta human range and I honestly had not heard that before).

Also, people in reality have lifted 800 lbs+ before, I'm pretty sure. I think one guy has even lifted over a thousand pounds. I'm not claiming this as fact however...I have no sources. Maybe I'll google the record books.

Also, I want to thank you or not being one of those fanboys that wants to burn me at the stake for not liking Batman. Some people get crazy.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Mike Miller and Brent Mikesell (I think that's how it's spelt) both squatted well over 1000 pounds, although niether was built like Batman.

http://www.criticalbench.com/Mike-Miller.htm

Scott Mendleson I think benched around 900 pounds a year or two back. He's a monster.

- Whirly

 

[ElectroFlare]

Thanks Whirly, I didn't get around to googling that.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Thanks Whirly, I didn't get around to googling that.

No probs mate.

- Whirly