Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[FaT_tONle]

Lets all admit it people... we hated X3 b/c they killed off Cyclops... I could live with the butchery of Pheonix so long as Cyke was involved in her story... but I think that one aspect killed the whole movie for all of us... lemme ask one question to all of you... if they had a cameo or an after credit scene... say it was Sinister having the body of Cyke kinda like that cliff hanger in Reloaded that blatantly said he was still alive... how much would a scene like that change your perception of the film desptie everything else...

 

[UraniaChang]

It would make us feel a lot better without feeling the uncertainty of Scott's fate...but X3 will still be my least favorite one in X-Men movie trilogy, it just can't beat the first two, and honestly, I don't think adding a cameo of Scott resting in Sinister's lab could change the fact.

 

[Angamb]

thats cool...i was hoping sinister might be involved but o well. I think it will be interesting to see this how emma and scott are connected (maybe show a love triangle they have with jean back in the day). Emma Frost has always been an interesting character she has a really complicated life. I think Charleze Theoron is the perfect choice but I highly doubt they would cast her in the role since she's a pretty big star.

agreeed with you. Charlize would be nice, but maybe will happen the same as with Halle, the people would see Charlize, not Emma, as should be.

I think an unknown would be the best.

And yes, Emma could be a old love of Scott, or was in love with him, but he choosed Jean.

 

[WideAwake]

Seeing Emma in a future X Men movie would be great, but I'd rather first see her as a villian.
I don't know how her bringing back Scott could work. What's she gonna do? Go to Alkali Lake and collect the pieces? It may have worked if Phoenix brought him back to life, correcting everything she did wrong in an act of remorse, since she is established as an extremely powerful mutant, if not the most powerful of all.

I've only seen Sheridan in Desperate Housewifes, so I don't know how good an actress she really is, but I think she does look the part. How she would come off next to Marsden, I don't know.

Cyclops' death wasn't the only thing that made me dislike the movie. It wasn't any of the deaths, really. I know curing Mystique and eventually Magneto could have provided great conclusions to their arcs, IF they did something with it, which they didn't. In fact, they retconned it the first chance they got.
Curing Rogue was a bad idea though. In X2, she was shown as a more confident about herself and her powers. X3 destroyed all that.

What I mainly dislike about X3, is the all the politics behind it. They wanted to beat Singer to the screens, they wanted Hugh and Halle to have as much screentime as possible, and worst of all: they didn't want Cyclops in the movie.

 

[storm-x-fan]

For me Scott coming back and getting together with Emma would be far worse than him dying in the first place.

i agree !!!!!!!!!

 

[jcykeson]

The major dssapointment of X3 was the potrayal of the Phoenix storyline and Cyke's death.. For has a long way to redeem themselves.. but checkout the latest X-men universe and u could see that Cyke is taking centre stage in everything.. hope the film makers understand that..

 

[UraniaChang]

The major dssapointment of X3 was the potrayal of the Phoenix storyline and Cyke's death.. For has a long way to redeem themselves.. but checkout the latest X-men universe and u could see that Cyke is taking centre stage in everything.. hope the film makers understand that..

You mean in Astonishing X-Men ?

 

[PhePhe112]

if emma is ever in a movie i hope joanna krupa plays her. she is a model...i dunno if she can act though.

 

[Halcohol]

if emma is ever in a movie i hope joanna krupa plays her. she is a model...i dunno if she can act though.

Then it kinda defeats the purpose of casting her in the movie. There's slightly more important things to consider than looks such as acting ability.

 

[UraniaChang]

er...I think the one Angamb posts is better, though I have no idea about her acting skills.

 

[PhePhe112]

Then it kinda defeats the purpose of casting her in the movie. There's slightly more important things to consider than looks such as acting ability.

well of course i dont want some who can't act...i'm just saying she has the look.

 

[storm-x-fan]

i don want emma 2 be in an x-men movie.

 

[Vilya]

I dont like Emma too but i would think Emma could have a role in saving Cykes for her own manipulative reasons and that would make defeating her at the end of X4 that much more interesting.

 

[Bishop2]

I think Emma's a really fascinating and fun character. Sometimes I think her relationship with Scott is neat and sometimes I don't as much, but I still like the character with or without the Cyclops relationship. I really loved how they portrayed her and Scott in Phoenix: Endsong at least.

Of course by now she's been a good guy for much longer than she was ever evil, so I think she's a better fit to have her be good if she shows up in a movie someday. Maybe give her a "dark past" and such.

 

[Angamb]

I dont like Emma too but i would think Emma could have a role in saving Cykes for her own manipulative reasons and that would make defeating her at the end of X4 that much more interesting.

yes, that's how I see it, but in my X4 ideal, the sentinels are there too, in the third act, and Emma recognize her mistakes. To have a change of side of her in X5, maybe.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

For me Scott coming back and getting together with Emma would be far worse than him dying in the first place.

For him to be with Jean in the movieverse does the exact same thing to me, eh.

Fine, so I'll admit I support Scott/Emma about 100x more than movieverse Scott/Jean.

Still, one can't dismiss the whole notion of, you know, Jean from the movies not loving Scott nearly as much as he loves her...

A manipulative femme fatale trying to mess with his mind for kicks would be better for him than a woman kissing some other guy while he's MIA, eh.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What do you think of this possible coupe in the future sequels?

Abso-f****in-lutely!

Fine, so I'm a guy and discussing aesthetics isn't something we're supposed to do... BUT... those two look bloody fantastic as a pair.


I remember watching the cartoons in early 90s (god, I was, what, 6-7?) and thinking Scott/Jean were cute and made sense.

But then that whole 'me understanding subtext' thingie kicked in and I just couldn't help but be ticked off at the whole Jean/Logan thingie.

I'll be a good sport and admit that Scott/Jean was cute yet sad since Cyke desperately wanted to be perfect for her.

Scott/Emma is just plain bada$$$. Come on, femme fatale and brooding tough SOB. And they don't pull punches, the one thing which in hindsight might have saved the Scott/Jean romance.

Anyway, back to the picture... As far as I'm concerned the quintessential Scott/Emma picture is the one from New X-Men 156's cover. No-nonsense/hardcore Scott and naughty Emma. Gotta love it

Marsden and Theron could pull it off so easily it's not even funny. Hell, Marsden nailed it down three years ago. It's just that no one on the X2 production team noticed and the writers just didn't care since they wanted him to get beaten up by the girl Wolvie would later defeat. *cough* really really cheap bad 'guy' death scene! *cough*

The second I figure out how to use an avatar on (where the bloody hell is the option to do so anyway?) these forums, I'll use it, lol.

 

[Angamb]

A manipulative femme fatale trying to mess with his mind for kicks would be better for him than a woman kissing some other guy while he's MIA, eh.

hahaha, yes, it's totally true. And that way, Cyclops would get more of a center role, don't you think? I vote for it. But vote for Emma manipulating him, not ending with him in X4, as a couple, that is for other sequel, maybe X5, but for X4, the manipulate Emma/Scott relationship would be really great, more the x-men salving him at some point of the film.

 

[UraniaChang]

Well, at least Emma's character should be able to give something new to fresh up X-Men movie script and lineup, whether you like her or not, she is an attractor and very controversial.
Though I must admit, I still support Scott/Jean pairing more than Scott/Emma.
But I'm a helpless Cyclops lover so I really don't mind him being with either of them. It will be nice with both Jean and Emma standing on either side of Scott, as a cover, I mean.
As for Jean/Logan...er...*shudder*, definitely the least of all my least fav pairings.*lock them firmly outside my head*

 

[Angamb]

Well, at least Emma's character should be able to give something new to fresh up X-Men movie script and lineup, whether you like her or not, she is an attractor and very controversial.

True, she more Gambit will refresh the saga perfectly, and the audience will like it more, I think.

Oh, more the return of Nightcrawler too. I think X4 need these three characters.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Hey, I'm rooting for Cyclops coming back from dead, but the problem with such a scenario is that, you know, short of really really cheap and convenient plot devices in the good guys' favors, Emma and Scott would obliterate the X-men in, like, seconds. What he doesn't blast to dust, she just, you know, kills just by thinking about it.

Besides, they'd find a way to make sure practically every villain or good guy out there (rolls eyes) was semi-immune to Cyclops' opticblasts.

EDIT: Registered on fanfiction.net so I could review Bishop's story, so I'm just gonna post the thing there.

Should clean up this page nicely and not scare off folks.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

EDIT: See post above.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

EDIT: See first of the two posts above

 

[UraniaChang]

True, she more Gambit will refresh the saga perfectly, and the audience will like it more, I think.

Oh, more the return of Nightcrawler too. I think X4 need these three characters.

Oh, yeah, Gambit, and definitely Nightcrawler, I really love his ability, also the audience will see him as a connection of X-men movie trilogy but still be able to fresh the saga.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

True, she more Gambit will refresh the saga perfectly, and the audience will like it more, I think.

Oh please, god... NO. Just... NO.

You know damn well they're gonna turn Gambit into a larger than life obnoxious jerk spouting dreadful one-liners every 5 seconds and hitting on everything that moves. Oh, and for some reason, some chick will fall for him after a whole 2 minutes. Either that or they'll give us a ******ed version of the Rogue/Gambit romance.

Remember those people think it's romantic for Logan/Jean to kiss while Cyke is either MIA or KIA.

Anyway, it's doubtful the tools/hacks they would hire would aknowledge his story is one of a bad guy gone good who eventually genuinely seeks redemption.

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Honestly, the only way he could've been used purposefuly and sensically (aka not just popping out of nowhere and joining the cast cause he's cool) would've been as, let's say, a 20 years-old "heir" of Magneto in X1.

And no, he wouldn't turn on Mags because of Rogue. Way too cheesy. Have him give Rogue a genuine 'it won't hurt for long, chere' line and a sad smile during the last act. Would make a rather nice and in-character start for the inevitable romance between the two.

Also, without Sinister around, his powers could be rather impressive in a movieverse. That, and the brotherhood would have a mutant with goddamned projection powers (god, you'd think Mags could find better help than mere MUSCLE).

Meaning pretty much only Cyclops could take him on before being blasted to bits.

Think about it: Xavier's and Magneto's heirs battling it out. Cyke blasting Gambit's cards as they head towards him? Would make for some kickass SFX and about a 100x times better than those lame freesbees to showcase Cyke's gift with trajectories, lol.

Not only that, but it would allow Cyke to get all pissed off at the realization that this confused kid could've been him and that he wasn't any older when he started fighting. Would tackle the whole 'Xavier's a good man, but not a saint' issue 100x times better than they did in X3.

Anyway, in the end, the X-Men (well, mostly Cyclops with Rogue semi-vouching for him) would bring Gambit back to the mansion and give him a chance at redemption.

Oh well, too late for that, eh. Not to mention that such character development might make the heads of Fox' executives explode or something.

Or maybe it's the notion of Cyke not being completely f****d over in the movieverse.

Whatever. t: