Visual Effects of X-Men 3

pyromaniac said:
For the benefit for ourselves or for yourself? Sometimes it's hard to tell which. Well, more often than sometimes. :p

By the way - like my signature? ;)

It's just so hilarious.

I already have a better film in my head, thanks to X3. By that, the sub plots are resolved, the underused characters get more development, the cure is a lot more controversial etc...

Rather than re-imagining it entirely like a lot of fans do.

thats my idea with X3...just expanding it, making it more deeper. have more Cyclops and More Jean/Phoenix.

...

ur sig is...erm... lol ... What can I say? when i first saw those concept pics, I cried. It made me wish what if we saw that in x3 if the movie wasn't so rushed and what if Ratner got more time? you know. Oh. How I wished. :(
 
DarknessOfDeath said:
thats my idea with X3...just expanding it, making it more deeper. have more Cyclops and More Jean/Phoenix.

...

ur sig is...erm... lol ... What can I say? when i first saw those concept pics, I cried. It made me wish what if we saw that in x3 if the movie wasn't so rushed and what if Ratner got more time? you know. Oh. How I wished. :(

Yeah I know. But I mean, it was so funny on so many levels, especially with capping off Cyke's scene at the lake bit. Also the Gaaaaaaaah, and multiple vain swearing as well as commenting on Famke's looks: your thought processes were leaping a mile a nanosecond.

If you do make it deeper, make it relevant to the story. That is, Cyke's issue with control which juxtaposes Phoenix's resistance/hunger for control. And why Angel doesn't like anyone to touch his wings, as well as his wealthy background that would finance the school and his interactions with the Xmen members (Cyke, Rogue as an example). As also some mention of the original five.

Iceman and Beast's relationship; twinkies; and the latter's reputation as a doctor and scientist and bringing in Moira McTaggert on board.

And Shadowcat's Jewish heritage and her issues with the oncoming war and with Magneto's philosophy and methods. Rogue: to which she ponders her family and taking action when Pyro blows the clinic up, and Iceman is there to help, but is only seen by the river rat and she makes another decision...?

What makes the most sense or what doesn't, not because a fan wants it to?

Err. The 'negatives' ie Callisto and Psylocke though - try to explain them too, as well as their 'punk getup! If Multiple Man is there, what is he there for? Make the bad guys be a little more complex than what the final edit has allowed tem (ie Pyro's expression upon Magneto's rejection of Mystique) and a divergent point of view as well, particularly coming from a sub-minority, ie Callisto's Morlocks.

As for The Cure: write it in a way that would make minorities, the prejudiced and the community take notice and argue to the end of days, which X3 failed to achieve, I think.

Well, I'm just saying, sorry to 'butt in'. Go for it really: just don't rewrite scenes, leave as they are, but include original extended scenes and cut ones (those from the trailers and pictures and so forth) and those rumoured (ie investigation of the cure) and the gaps that we want to fill in, are those of our own design. And do that from a cinematic point of view, most of all.

Good luck. ;)
 
Looking forward to a good read (I could do it myself but if I don't do it now, then I'll have already done it in the future. ;)).

Screenwriter first. Fan second.
 
<Retroman>

I would greatly appreciate it if you can immideately remove all the images you took from my website related to X-Men 3.

I had a HUGE disclaimer on my website asking people NOT TO USE/POST/SHARE THESE IMAGES anywhere else without any permissions.

Please respect the Artists, and the Copyright issues.

Many thanks in advance ! ! !
 
Mr Lex Luthor said:
They don't care about us fans at all. Then they don't deserve this franchise. To hell with them. Get running, Avi, and get back the X-Men rights from Fox, foo'!
I hope you're joking..

-TNC
 
Alp said:
<Retroman>

I would greatly appreciate it if you can immideately remove all the images you took from my website related to X-Men 3.

I had a HUGE disclaimer on my website asking people NOT TO USE/POST/SHARE THESE IMAGES anywhere else without any permissions.

Please respect the Artists, and the Copyright issues.

Many thanks in advance ! ! !
Sure and understand and i've edited all my posts.Would you mind sticking around and answering a few questions about the Phoenix and X3?:)
 
Alp said:
<Retroman>

I would greatly appreciate it if you can immideately remove all the images you took from my website related to X-Men 3.

I had a HUGE disclaimer on my website asking people NOT TO USE/POST/SHARE THESE IMAGES anywhere else without any permissions.

Please respect the Artists, and the Copyright issues.

Many thanks in advance ! ! !
hehe, I saw that and was going to say something... Good luck with your career
 
UPDATE
Found this very cool new article (with brand new shots) on arguably the best effect in the entire movie - making Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart 20 years younger. Theres loads of info incl. how Hugh Jackman was originally going to be naked in the final sequence with Dark Phoenix (:eek: )

Theres a very informative podcast on the process which reveals that some of mutiple man's scene was cut from the final film.

NOTE: The pics are availalbe in much higher-resolution at the source link.




From FX Guide:

X-Men : Extreme Makeover

Posted on Jun 12, 2006 by mseymour7 ( comments )

In this week's podcast we speak to Greg Strause, of Lola and Hydraulx and John Bruno visual effects supervisor of X-Men (click to the right ...)


Below are 1200 pixel wide 8 bit jpegs (if you click on the red boxes in the corner of each). We have a set of 16bit full 2K resolution comparison frames showing in detail exactly how each actor was changed. Since these are 16 bit they are very large files to download.

Download the set of 16-bit files via this link.
http://www.fxguide.com/modules/NewsUpload/files/xmen/fxg-sidebyside.tar


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After years of vanity visual effects work that included films such as Terminator 3, MI 3, and many others, yet in most cases this work was both invisible and not publicly discussed. With X-Men 3, the work is no longer designed to be invisible, and the team took the process further than they - or anyone else has done before.


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These anti-aging shots are not achieved by the use of custom software or sparks, rather the team at Lola relied on standard inferno and flame software. But while the programs are off the shelf, the techniques have been developed over several years. The team cleverly uses a huge combination of discreet tools such as extended bicubic patches meticulously tracked in a technique the team calls "digital skin grafts". But every trick in the book is used, from advanced colour correct to 3D tracking inside action.


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The anti-aging of each actor is built on extensive research, both visual reference, and medical advice. Lola consulted with leading hollywood plastic surgeons and a vast library of material. It was discovered that noses continue to grow, as to ears, so noses were thinned and ears were removed resized 10% and retracked back on. But as you can hear in this week's podcast - the team paid special attention to the original lighting and respected the exact on side lighting
Source: http://www.fxguide.com/article357.html

PODCAST: http://www.fxguide.com/modules/fxpodcast/files/fxg-061206-xmen.mp3
 
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Lola's own web site lists the companies services as including:
- Digital Weight Management
- Muscle Definition and Tone
- Six-Pack Abdominals
- Prosthetic Clean-up
- Laugh Line and Wrinkle Reduction
- Age Reduction
- Digital Aging
- Eye Enhancements
- Tattoo Placement and Removal
- Breast Augmentation
- Skin Resurfacing and Blemish Removal
- Dental Corrections


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While Greg Strause was on set for much of the filming of this sequence, by his own admission, there was little to do. The actors had no special makeup, not even hair colouring. There were no special tracking markers, greenscreens, measurements or considerations given to the effects team.

The sequence was initially scheduled to be a makeup effects, when tests were not satisfactory, alternative actors were briefly considered but thanks to a previous relationship with Visual Effects Supervisor John Bruno, Lola was given the chance to helm the sequence. Lola's first test was 19th of Nov 05. Not only did Lola contribute the opening sequence but the company was also used on "hundreds of other little" shots according to Bruno.



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TM & (C) 2006 Twentieth Century Fox. X-Men Character Likenesses TM and copyright symbol 2006 Marvel Characters Inc.

Hydraulx and Lola founders Greg and Colin Strause are highly successful film makers in their own right. The brothers have directed countless TVCs and music videos, and each brother are highly skilled VFX artists in their own right, Greg on flame and Colin primarily in 3D but also flame, "he knows his way around a good batch setup" - says brother Greg - talking about Craig's extensive skill base. Hydraulx and Lola actually moved entire offices into their new custom facility, in the middle of X-Men production.
Source: http://www.fxguide.com/article357.html
 
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Lizardman


While Lola is a spin off from Hydraulx, separate from Lola - Hydraulx had a large number of their own shots, including multiple man, Some of Storm's effects sequences, and also the Convoy attack. Hydraulx use exclusively discreet system boxes for their compositing, with the world's largest Burn render farm. This new 64 bit farm allows artists to be assigned groups of shots and then work more flexibly on multiple shots at once. For the Convoy sequence car crushing completely 3D cars were deployed, crushed and discarded.


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Storm


Hydraulx uses a multi-render pass approach to all their 3D. Both Flame stations and the company's Burn render farm have extensive spark / plugin licenses, allowing for complex shots, normally not financially viable to be rendered and composited.


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Wolverine fight scene shot 1


For the famous claws, the real strap on claws could not be used during fight sequences as they are far too dangerous. For this sequence for example, Hugh Jackman would wear tracking markers - alternate colours for each 'claw' - " just so we can see what they are doing". The prop claws are custom build by a special effects expert called Jimmy Claws who takes his job very seriously.

In the end sequence when Wolverine is being "atomised', Bruno initially wanted to have Jackman act this naked, but Jackman was extremely concerned about images escaping onto the net, so a small pair of flesh coloured pants were worn. Ironically to maintain the film's rating, digital cloths had to be hand tracked and re-added back onto Jackman to cover him up. Not only was nudity an issue, but much work went into the death atomising to make it "oatmeal" according to Bruno and not too vivid.


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Wolverine fight scene shot 2


Hydraulx used motion control footage for the multiple man sequence, with each "mutant clone" being a completely separate motion control pass.

Most of the actors did their own stunts. When Angel dives out of the clinic window, it is the real actor on wires that pulled off the stunt. The production actually got a "vrig from Cirque Du Soleil" which is a highly accurate computer controlled flying rig.


The final Alctraz sequence started life as an opening sequence. In the original storyboarding the Mutants were held on the famous Island and escaped. In this version Magneto still moved the bridge but he was of course not on it. When the rewrite happened, this sequence moved to the end of the film and the Dark Phenix rising scene. The Bridge Alctraz sequence was the first thing that the vfx team started on, and it was the last shot delivered on May 16th 2006. Due to terrorism laws, the production could not film within 1/4 mile (or a 1000ft) of the bridge with a chopper, - it could not even take a camera car or truck on the bridge, "so we walked over it a lot" joked Bruno. What stills they could take would often have the wrong fog or lighting for the final shots. Huge models were filmed, and often in an exterior car-park so real skies could be captured.

Another company who was responsible for a large number of shots was Weta. But while Weta handled a large amount of the final Alctraz, it did not start work until January. When we asked Weta's effects supervisor Eric Standon why that was, he admitted that perhaps they could have started in December but after Kong "there was really no one at Weta in December, we were fried". Standon was joined Weta in 1999 from Santa Barabra Studios to work on Gollium. (although his formal training is in Architecture) By comparison to Gollium's 15 mins a frame, and Kong sometimes 5 to 8 hours a frame rendertime, Wetas shots on Xmen "were almost real time: he jokes.

Weta work in Xmen 3 used both the procedural city texturing from King Kong, and LOTR's Massive software on X-Men. Massive software is now in two steams - the commercial version (now version 2)and also Weta internal use, headed by John Allit, who Standon described as "uses whatever he wanted, he so brilliant" . The Massive X-Men were not particularly complex - using the generic Agent that Weta already had as the agent base. Allit also wrote Weta's GRUNT renderer and thus is very comfortable with complex setups.

In terms of Weta's workflow, although Joe Latteri, did not work directly on X-Men, Standon explains that his philosophy of achieving almost everything in the 3D render is the 'house' approach to 3D compositing. Thus lighting is "rendered in and properly done" rather than doing multi-pass compositing such as Hydrolux above.

Many of Weta's 240 shots were relatively static or locked off, "by comparisons to Peter's work" which Standon explained are normally wildly hand held and wild. Match Moving was mainly done in 3D Equalizer. Shots were comped in Nuke and Shake. Weta had a large team on the project, given the short deadline, with "about 200 people in the final credits"

VFX on Xmen 3 were also provided by CIS Hollywood, Cinesite, Framestore CFC, General Lift LLC, Kleiser-Walczak, Rhythm & Hues, SoloVFX MPC and W.M Creations. Interestingly it was Bruno who was behind the process of breaking up films to different vendors. Prior to Bruno, feature films used to primarily award to just one company, Bruno pioneered the technique of breaking features into multiple vendor sets. While Burno commented that he primarily chooses facilities for the people he knows there. This multiple vendor - multiple country approached worked extremely well given the X-Men short schedule, but it was not without its humorous moments. During the death of Xavior at Jean Grey's House, Bruno commented that he got a call from MPC asking for visual reference of the roof shingles - as the UK company had no American style shingles locally to refer to - he joked. But in the end Burno said that he picked companies based on people he knew - who could speak his verbal 'short hand' and trusted. In the end he was extremely happy with his choices.

Bruno managed to bring X-Men in on budget or " 1% over " - compared to Day after Tomorrow that doubled its budget by the end of production, explained Burno. Much of the success of planning the film was due to the films extensive previz. The film had 6 storyboard artists and 3 previz companies working on the project, which "saves money" according to Bruno.
Source: http://www.fxguide.com/article357.html
 
Wow. Thanks Retro. Haha. Of all the effects shots in this movie, those of McKellen and Stewart remain some of my favorite.
 
BMM said:
Wow. Thanks Retro. Haha. Of all the effects shots in this movie, those of McKellen and Stewart remain some of my favorite.
I agree. When you see these still shots you realize just how good it is especially Ian McKellen.:up:

FYI the i just resized the pics because they were too big.
 
Love the before-and-after photos, Retro. :up: I can't believe how much changes they did from Ian to young Magneto. Very well-done.
 
I still can't get over that de-aging thing. Not that it was perfect - but wowee - really cool to see the before and after stuff!
 
Thanks guys. At least i get credit here. A certain fansite often posts whatever i find without credit.:down
 
Retroman said:
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Lola's own web site lists the companies services as including:
- Digital Weight Management
- Muscle Definition and Tone
- Six-Pack Abdominals
- Prosthetic Clean-up
- Laugh Line and Wrinkle Reduction
- Age Reduction
- Digital Aging
- Eye Enhancements
- Tattoo Placement and Removal
- Breast Augmentation
- Skin Resurfacing and Blemish Removal
- Dental Corrections


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Before shot



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After shot


While Greg Strause was on set for much of the filming of this sequence, by his own admission, there was little to do. The actors had no special makeup, not even hair colouring. There were no special tracking markers, greenscreens, measurements or considerations given to the effects team.

The sequence was initially scheduled to be a makeup effects, when tests were not satisfactory, alternative actors were briefly considered but thanks to a previous relationship with Visual Effects Supervisor John Bruno, Lola was given the chance to helm the sequence. Lola's first test was 19th of Nov 05. Not only did Lola contribute the opening sequence but the company was also used on "hundreds of other little" shots according to Bruno.



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I like these batch the best. The work on Sir Ian and Patrick (in the last shot) is really good.
 
Retroman said:
Thanks guys. At least i get credit here. A certain fansite often posts whatever i find without credit.:down

I hope that comment isn't directed at me (which I assume it is given the fact that I posted the news today). We all have access to Google, and FX Guide is a site that I have visited on a regular basis since their coverage of F4 last year (when it was just VFX blog). It's on my list of sites to check daily, especially since the movie has come out.
 
^^Yes it is directed to you because its happened a few times in the past. Most recently with the Tim Story stuff.

If you say you visit the site i'll have to take your word for it.
 
Retroman said:
Fx Guide posted another before and after shot.

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Source: http://www.fxguide.com/

Yo these are groundbreaking stuff. Hell they could use this technology to make Harrison Ford and Sean Connoery look YOUNG for the new indiana jones movie.

X3 should win OSCAR for this BUT i know they won't get one.
 
if anyone has those phoenix concept pics that were "deleted by owner's requests", could u email them to me? It's no longer on the owner's website. Just want to see them again. thanks
 

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