The Dark Knight Was Harvey really the best of them?

[The Batman]

do you think harvey was the best of the triumverate between him, bats, and gordon?

 

[Simon Phoenix]

he was in the best position to change the city in an acceptable way. More power than Gordon and not wanted for arrest like Bats.

 

[ross2287]

Yes.
Harvey didn't hide behind a mask. Harvey didn't let a masked vigilante do his work.
I could point out more points, but I'm tired so I'll let someone else do it.

 

[The Batman]

Yes.
Harvey didn't hide behind a mask. Harvey didn't let a masked vigilante do his work.
I could point out more points, but I'm tired so I'll let someone else do it.

Are you telling me dent couldve gotten lau back from china by himself?

 

[The Batman]

and, IMO, dent did have the best position to change things, but when you get down to it....was he a better man than gordon and bruce?

 

[Sawyer]

I cant say he was the best, just because they were all good men, and they all wanted the same thing, they just each went about it in different ways.

 

[donk70]

Actually, when it comes down to character and morals, I'd go with Gordon. Harvey was irrational when put under pressure(the one on one with the perp after Gordon was shot). Batman is just a headcase with mommy/daddy issues.

 

[Simon Phoenix]

and, IMO, dent did have the best position to change things, but when you get down to it....was he a better man than gordon and bruce?

To that question, my answer is Gordon, IMO. Gordon never really loses it enough to cross the line, Batman does on a few occasions or at least comes close to it..best examples are in TKJ when Gordon keeps his sanity after what happens to Barbara and what goes on in the carnival...also in Hush when Batman was ready to kill Joker and Gordon puts his gun to Batman's head and tells him to stop or he'll put him down.

and we all know what happened to Dent.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Wow. I'm suprised. Yes, Dent was a heroic figure, but even he ticked in the midst of everything. Bruce made, to me, the ultimate sacrifices, whether he did it behind a mask or not. Remember Begins, there's a REASON to become a symbol and hide behind that mask as is made CLEAR by the Joker's "a little push" speach and Gordan's "a Dark Knight" speech.

 

[Johann Krauss]

Wow. I'm suprised. Yes, Dent was a heroic figure, but even he ticked in the midst of everything. Bruce made, to me, the ultimate sacrifices, whether he did it behind a mask or not. Remember Begins, there's a REASON to become a symbol and hide behind that mask as is made CLEAR by the Joker's "a little push" speach and Gordan's "a Dark Knight" speech.

I agree

 

[Victor Creed]

Yes.
Harvey didn't hide behind a mask. Harvey didn't let a masked vigilante do his work.
I could point out more points, but I'm tired so I'll let someone else do it.

He did hide behind a mask though, he put up a front about being this perfect person and yet inside, he was more twisted than everyone. Even before his accident, he wasn't able to handle the pressure being put on his shoulders and he ended up breaking.

Wayne is the best of them, because despite not being in the wrong, and losing just as much (more in fact), he still takes on the burden of being the hated figure and letting Dent be viewed as a hero in death.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

He did hide behind a mask though, he put up a front about being this perfect person and yet inside, he was more twisted than everyone. Even before his accident, he wasn't able to handle the pressure being put on his shoulders and he ended up breaking.

Wayne is the best of them, because despite not being in the wrong, and losing just as much (more in fact), he still takes on the burden of being the hated figure and letting Dent be viewed as a hero in death.

Exactly. Even when Rachel died, Bruce was SO VERY tempted to kill the Joker, and to just give everything up. But in the end he sacrificed everything and stood up, not allowing the Joker to win by covering up Dent's actions.

 

[bgates87]

Maybe I'm interpreting this question the wrong way but I feel like Bruce Wayne had the best intentions. Harvey was in a better position politically but clearly he had a less strict moral code and seemed destined to become corrupt. Then again, I guess I'm speaking from hindsight. (but aren't we all?)

 

[The Batman]

IMo...the basic concept of Two Face keeps him from having the strongest morals. Harvey ultimately gives in to his dark nature...his "white knight" persona is more hype than anything, as good as Harvey is at the beginning of the movie. All it took was a push, and he goes from protecting the people to blowing people away for his own gain

I really cant say anything about gordon because Gordon dosent even face the same amount of pressure Bruce and Harvey do. He's not tempted in this movie like he is in the comics...however, im sure if he were tempted, he would come through

Bruce, however, does the most sacrificing. He sacrifices a relationship with one of the few people who knows who he is, he's considered a joke and buffoon as Bruce Wayne, and a menace as batman, has to deal with the fact that people are getting hurt trying to be like him, and of course the joker murders. Add to that Rachel's death, and he had every reason to finally snap. But, he dosent...not only does he not break his one rule, but he sacrifices any vestige of a good name he had as Batman to keep harvey's image in tact.

So, in terms of the movie, i would say bruce in terms of the movie

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

Maybe I'm interpreting this question the wrong way but I feel like Bruce Wayne had the best intentions. Harvey was in a better position politically but clearly he had a less strict moral code and seemed destined to become corrupt. Then again, I guess I'm speaking from hindsight. (but aren't we all?)

And that's what Gordan says when he first meets Dent. About how politically powerful Dent is where as Gordan is "stuck with what he can work with." They ALL had good intentions. But in the end Bruce and Gordan both proved to be stronger-willed and less likely to crack.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

IMo...the basic concept of Two Face keeps him from having the strongest morals. Harvey ultimately gives in to his dark nature...his "white knight" persona is more hype than anything, as good as Harvey is at the beginning of the movie. All it took was a push, and he goes from protecting the people to blowing people away for his own gain

I really cant say anything about gordon because Gordon dosent even face the same amount of pressure Bruce and Harvey do. He's not tempted in this movie like he is in the comics...however, im sure if he were tempted, he would come through

Bruce, however, does the most sacrificing. He sacrifices a relationship with one of the few people who knows who he is, he's considered a joke and buffoon as Bruce Wayne, and a menace as batman, has to deal with the fact that people are getting hurt trying to be like him, and of course the joker murders. Add to that Rachel's death, and he had every reason to finally snap. But, he dosent...not only does he not break his one rule, but he sacrifices any vestige of a good name he had as Batman to keep harvey's image in tact.

So, in terms of the movie, i would say bruce in terms of the movie

Couldn't have said it better myself. Oddly enough, Bruce is still in last place. Must be people's ability NOT to think logically.

 

[Magenta666]

I have always thought Gordon was the best, he doesnt have a mask to protect his loved ones, or massive amounts of money. Like he said in the movie he has to work with what he has.

He abides by the rules, and through all his trials (the comics especially) he has had more self control than Batman at times.

 

[MMoralN10Tion]

IMo...the basic concept of Two Face keeps him from having the strongest morals. Harvey ultimately gives in to his dark nature...his "white knight" persona is more hype than anything, as good as Harvey is at the beginning of the movie. All it took was a push, and he goes from protecting the people to blowing people away for his own gain

I really cant say anything about gordon because Gordon dosent even face the same amount of pressure Bruce and Harvey do. He's not tempted in this movie like he is in the comics...however, im sure if he were tempted, he would come through

Bruce, however, does the most sacrificing. He sacrifices a relationship with one of the few people who knows who he is, he's considered a joke and buffoon as Bruce Wayne, and a menace as batman, has to deal with the fact that people are getting hurt trying to be like him, and of course the joker murders. Add to that Rachel's death, and he had every reason to finally snap. But, he dosent...not only does he not break his one rule, but he sacrifices any vestige of a good name he had as Batman to keep harvey's image in tact.

So, in terms of the movie, i would say bruce in terms of the movie

Yup. Oddly enough, as of now Bruce is in last place. It sucks how hard it is for the masses to think logically.

 

[namtaB]

No. But he had the best image and that's what counts. Gordon didn't have the political clout and Batman is a freak. Harvey had the reputation of the white knight even though he really wasn't (ie. he flipped in the face of tragedy)

 

[FrankieSuicide]

Ahahahahahaha. My vote just made it a three way tie.