Was Mystique Really Raven?

[chaseter]

haha, someone is clutching at straws here...

ha ha....

in any case we get an indicatin that the cure isn't permanent. I suspect higher class mutants will be shaking the effects off sooner than others but then they would end up all losing their humanity and reverting back to their old selves...

How am I clutching at straws? I just thought I would present this question up? It just doesn't make any sense to me now that I sit down and think about it. I would be clutching at straws if I gave a damn and thought my opinion was correct 100%. It is just a question I thought I would ask to see what other had to think.

 

[Avalanche]

I don't know. I think Mystique loved Magneto unconditionally and would do anything for him...get hit by a cure dart is one example. Magneto had to drop her because she became what he was fighting against. He cannot be a hypocritical leader and have people still believe and follow him. I think Mystique gave the government dupe info and that is why MM was there and ready when the military arrived. It just so conveniently fits together that way. Otherwise, how would Magneto know that Raven would go tell on him? How did he know when it would happen?

I think Multiple Man staying behind is a bit of a plot hole. Magneto earlier stated he could 'use a man of your abilities', before Mystique was cured, and before they could have drawn up a plot.

Magneto was saddened to see Mystique cured. The guard had already been blasted by Pyro. There was no reason for Magneto to fake such thoughts if there was no one around to hear them.

Mystique was cured. Magneto ditched her. Mystique took her revenge for being ditched when she should have earned Magneto's loyalty.

 

[chaseter]

I think Multiple Man staying behind is a bit of a plot hole. Magneto earlier stated he could 'use a man of your abilities', before Mystique was cured, and before they could have drawn up a plot.

Magneto was saddened to see Mystique cured. The guard had already been blasted by Pyro. There was no reason for Magneto to fake such thoughts if there was no one around to hear them.

Mystique was cured. Magneto ditched her. Mystique took her revenge for being ditched when she should have earned Magneto's loyalty.

That is all true, but how do you know what happened between then and her ratting out to the government? I think they could go this route with X4 if they wanted Mystique/Rebecca back again.

 

[uknowho]

Magneto was saddened to see Mystique cured. The guard had already been blasted by Pyro. There was no reason for Magneto to fake such thoughts if there was no one around to hear them.
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I was going to make that same argument but then I realized there were tracking devices hidden around somewhere on that van, weren't there?

By the way, I'm not supporting chaster in any way, shape, or form.

chaseter: there are many reasons to bring Mystique back. She could alliance with the next baddie, she could form her own group, she could take revenge on Magneto, get could... dozen other reasons.

 

[WTFimVENOM]

She was hit by a cure dart, but maybe it wore off by the time she told the government the info

 

[chaseter]

I was going to make that same argument but then I realized there were tracking devices hidden around somewhere on that van, weren't there?

By the way, I'm not supporting chaster in any way, shape, or form.

HAHAHAHA I really don't care who supports me because there is nothing to support. I don't give 2 cents of anything if this is true or not. I just thought I would raise this question to see what people thought. I loved that Mystique turned in Mags but it doesn't make sense from her past behavior and the whole convenience issue of MM being at hideout at the right time.

 

[chaseter]

She was hit by a cure dart, but maybe it wore off by the time she told the government the info

That is kind of what I think...if the cure isn't permanent, it might take Mags longer to recover because he is an older man with a not so healthy body as Mystique. I do hope that is true because that would mean Rogue would get her powers back

 

[Avalanche]

She was hit by a cure dart, but maybe it wore off by the time she told the government the info

But why would she tell the government the information? They didn't know where Magneto was anyway, and when they thought they did, they only sent in around 30 troops. As a decoy, Mystique sending the troops on a wild-goose chase makes no sense.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

How am I clutching at straws? I just thought I would present this question up? It just doesn't make any sense to me now that I sit down and think about it. I would be clutching at straws if I gave a damn and thought my opinion was correct 100%. It is just a question I thought I would ask to see what other had to think.

it's a pretty open/shut scene. All evidence shows she did get hit and she was no longer a mutant, the whole 'maybe she's faking' doesn't have any legs to stand on..

hence the straw clutching for starting this thread...

it would be like me saying 'maybe rogue didn't get cured' or 'maybe the golden state brigde didn't get transported to alcatraz'



i don't see the point of the question, hence the remark. no biggie

 

[uknowho]

Dude, we're talking about Mystique here.

You know what makes Mystique, well, Mystique? She turns on allies without giving a damn.

 

[Steelsheen]

Why is this brought up everytime? Magneto didn't do anything at the end of the movie.

He moved a metallic chess piece with his hand.

the devil is in the details

 

[chaseter]

it's a pretty open/shut scene. All evidence shows she did get hit and she was no longer a mutant, the whole 'maybe she's faking' doesn't have any legs to stand on..

hence the straw clutching for starting this thread...

it would be like me saying 'maybe rogue didn't get cured' or 'maybe the golden state brigde didn't get transported to alcatraz'



i don't see the point of the question, hence the remark. no biggie

Then how did Magneto move the metal chess piece at the end?

 

[chaseter]

Dude, we're talking about Mystique here.

You know what makes Mystique, well, Mystique? She turns on allies without giving a damn.

Why didn't she betray him earlier then? She went into many dangerous missions for Magneto in X1, X2, and X3. If she didn't give a damn about him...why did she stay around for so long? She loves him unconditionally.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

well it's obvious the 'cure' isn't a permanent one then isn't it?

 

[chaseter]

well it's obvious the 'cure' isn't a permanent one then isn't it?

Then who is to say Mystique didn't get her powers back? You for sure are not and your argument is now flawed.

 

[uknowho]

Why didn't she betray him earlier then? She went into many dangerous missions for Magneto in X1, X2, and X3. If she didn't give a damn about him...why did she stay around for so long? She loves him unconditionally.

Because he LEFT her hanging when she got 'humanized'. So she turned on him, and in X4, she will eventually murder him.

 

[Avalanche]

^ See my point above.

But why would she tell the government the information? They didn't know where Magneto was anyway, and when they thought they did, they only sent in around 30 troops. As a decoy, Mystique sending the troops on a wild-goose chase makes no sense.

Even if she was cured, Mystique giving details of a hideout makes no sense. What would the purpose behind this be?

 

[chaseter]

Because he LEFT her hanging when she got 'humanized'. So she turned on him, and in X4, she will eventually murder him.

That would be crazy to see Mystique try to murder Magneto. I don't think it would happen but crazy none the less.

 

[chaseter]

^ See my point above.



Even if she was cured, Mystique giving details of a hideout makes no sense. What would the purpose behind this be?

Are you arguing against or with my little theory?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Could Mystique have faked her curing by turning into her normal self...like she did in X2???

this is the point you are trying to make.

and there are no grounds for it. She didn't fake anything, hence the to say she did means you are trying to clutch at straws. All he actions in the film are not pre planned with magneto or anyone else. she loses her powers and reacts to them...

magneto probably knew her betrayal was iminent and planned accordingly. no big deal.

as for her powers coming back, i'm pretty sure it was never really an option or even considered by anyone until magneto started messing around, it certainly wasn't something they knew, otherwise they would have taken mystique with them and simply waited for her abilities to re-emerge and they wouldn't have even gone after leech since they knew it wasn't a permanent cure.

there was no faking being done at any point by mystique.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Hmm I wonder what happened to her between taking the cure and being...naked to getting her revenge on Magneto?

How did she get clothes on so fast?

 

[chaseter]

Hmm I wonder what happened to her between taking the cure and being...naked to getting her revenge on Magneto?

How did she get clothes on so fast?

She came to my house and I let her have some of my mother's clothes. At a price

 

[Avalanche]

Are you arguing against or with my little theory?

Lol, against. Magneto wouldn't need Mystique to trick the government into finding his location, and then leaving a decoy. They didn't know where he was in the first place. There was no sense in tricking them. They wouldn't have known he was attacking Alcatraz until it was too late.

Magneto and Mystique plotting to send the government to the forest would serve no purpose.

 

[chaseter]

this is the point you are trying to make.

and there are no grounds for it. She didn't fake anything, hence the to say she did means you are trying to clutch at straws. All he actions in the film are not pre planned with magneto or anyone else. she loses her powers and reacts to them...

magneto probably knew her betrayal was iminent and planned accordingly. no big deal.

as for her powers coming back, i'm pretty sure it was never really an option or even considered by anyone until magneto started messing around, it certainly wasn't something they knew, otherwise they would have taken mystique with them and simply waited for her abilities to re-emerge and they wouldn't have even gone after leech since they knew it wasn't a permanent cure.

there was no faking being done at any point by mystique.

Read my first post...I am arguing for two possibilites:
1. She faked her curing.
2. The cure's effects wore off.

Of course Magneto would not have known that the cure is not permanent. Because Mystique was the first mutie cured. Magneto got some of his powers back at the end. Who is to say Mystique hadn't started getting hers back. You also have to think about how Magneto's and Mystique's powers originated. Magneto got his in his teenage years through a traumatic experience. Mystique(and Nightcrawler)were born with their powers. Maybe that might make a difference when it comes to the cure?

 

[chaseter]

Lol, against. Magneto wouldn't need Mystique to trick the government into finding his location, and then leaving a decoy. They didn't know where he was in the first place. There was no sense in tricking them. They wouldn't have known he was attacking Alcatraz until it was too late.

Magneto and Mystique plotting to send the government to the forest would serve no purpose.

Then how did it all just fall together oh so conveniently? I think these b_stards at Fox know what they are doing and set up a million possibities for characters to return in another movie.