Was Sandman even a big character in the comics or animated show?

[The Kid]

ha ha ha

he can manipulate sand.

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[ShinyBlackSuit]

Most of the Spidey villains are not masked. i can name a bunch that if incorporated into a movie would not be masked. With obvious nod to Ock and Sandman, there are also Vulture, Scorpion, Rhino, Black Cat(not technical villain, but ya know) Kraven, Morbius..and prolly a few more i am forgetting. Some of those would require some fascial prosthetics but not enough to sacrifice any emotion facial movement as a value. I also agree, Molina was the perfect choice for Ock.

What you said is true to an extent...

Out of all the villians you listed (Vulture, Scorpion, Rhino, Black Cat(not technical villain, but ya know) Kraven, Morbius).. only Black Cat, Kraven, and Morbious have compelling emotional story arcs IMO. Scorpion and the Rhino are just goons to test Spidey's powers, and I can't see the Vulture's arc being compelling enough to sustain a Spidey film, especially one who's target audience are teenagers (C'mon.. who really wants to watch Tobey beat up an old geezer?)

I actually think if Raimi didn't choose Sandman, then the next obvious choice would have been Kraven because the character is very complex and three-dimensional.

If they did the Morbious arc, I think the only way they can tie it to Peter Parker/Spider-Man emotionally is if they explored the Mutation story arc where Peter starts turning into an actual six-armed man-spider.. which is personally in my opinion not a good direction for the franchise to take.

Black Cat was considered to have a significant role in the first print of the Spider-Man 1 script, but was cut due to the origin story of the Green Goblin needing to be done justice. They cut her out of SP2 for the same reasons with regards to Doc Ock. And, I am guessing, they cut her out of SP3 since they are already introducing another love interest for Peter Parker, Gwen Stacey. Avi has gone on record to say that they do have a Black Cat story arc already scripted, but just couldn't fit it into the first two films.

 

[faceplant]

What you said is true to an extent...

Out of all the villians you listed (Vulture, Scorpion, Rhino, Black Cat(not technical villain, but ya know) Kraven, Morbius).. only Black Cat, Kraven, and Morbious have compelling emotional story arcs IMO. Scorpion and the Rhino are just goons to test Spidey's powers, and I can't see the Vulture's arc being compelling enough to sustain a Spidey film, especially one who's target audience are teenagers (C'mon.. who really wants to watch Tobey beat up an old geezer?)

I actually think if Raimi didn't choose Sandman, then the next obvious choice would have been Kraven because the character is very complex and three-dimensional.

If they did the Morbious arc, I think the only way they can tie it to Peter Parker/Spider-Man emotionally is if they explored the Mutation story arc where Peter starts turning into an actual six-armed man-spider.. which is personally in my opinion not a good direction for the franchise to take.

Black Cat was considered to have a significant role in the first print of the Spider-Man 1 script, but was cut due to the origin story of the Green Goblin needing to be done justice. They cut her out of SP2 for the same reasons with regards to Doc Ock. And, I am guessing, they cut her out of SP3 since they are already introducing another love interest for Peter Parker, Gwen Stacey. Avi has gone on record to say that they do have a Black Cat story arc already scripted, but just couldn't fit it into the first two films.

finally some respect for my man kraven.

 

[daveswb]

this thread raises an interesting point.

but can we use sheer numbers?

Number of appearences
Sandman = 120
Venom = 179
Green Goblin (Harry) = 154

Dock ock = 126
Green Goblin (Norman) = 99

source (spiderfan.org)

So you can see for pure number of apperances his right along with the numbers of spidey's other movie villians.

But in the issue of pure numbers I think at 179 proves Venom deserves his own movie with the Webhead!

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Thanks for the amount of apperances there. And Venom was the main concept for a long periode of the show too.

 

[The Joker]

But in the issue of pure numbers I think at 179 proves Venom deserves his own movie with the Webhead!

At least 150 of those appearances are crap. Anything with him after the early 90's is garbage.

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Yea. It's supposedto belong in the trash.

 

[mawo32]

Sandman is a very popular villain, especailly seen in daveswb's post so I don't know why people are claiming he is second rate. He's been there since the 60's in both cartoon and comics and appeared in Spider-man and his amazing friends. You know who hasn't appeared in all that... the Beetle, so stop complaining because we could have gotten him.

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Hey. I like the beatel. he's cool.

 

[mawo32]

Originally Posted by GhostRider5006
Hey. I like the beatel. he's cool.

Sandman would crush Beetle with his pinky.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

ultimate beetle, is kinda cool, don't really think he would ever work on the big screen, but, still

 

[PalmerTheThing]

IN YOUR DREAMS. If it wasent for the Beatel there wouldent be a sandman in USM.

 

[Yurka]

holy hell no, I dont even think he works well in the game, in the movie I would have vomited everywhere

 

[Topdawg]

I think Ultimate Beetle would be awesome

 

[PalmerTheThing]

OK. In USM for the DS. When you chase the beetle into the lab when your spiderman He takes a sample out of a container and It says Sandman on it. I think it was a Easter egg.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i dont think ultimate beetle would work in the spiderman movies.

 

[chaseter]

Beetle sucks and should never be in the movie...if he does make way for Kangaroo, Rhino, and every other dumb animal man character to appear.

 

[mawo32]

Rhino is popular though and would make sense as a minor villain, or maybe even an honorable mention by Jameson would make the fanboys happy.

 

[mawo32]

Sorry, double post by accident.

 

[Karea07]

I don't think i've ever seen Sandman on the cartoon show... maybe once or twice, but it was nothing special.

 

[srnrew]

Sandman first app.

So he's definitely one of the oldest.

 

[Dragon]

Cuz I was looking at most Spider-Man comics the other day and noticed there really arent that many Sandman as the main villain vs. Spider-Man....

In fact, the issues that I finally found of Sandman, it was always Spider-Man vs. the Sinister Six and Sandman wasnt even the main guy.

I guess in the 60's comics he was big. I wonder what happened?

Sandman was a major villain. By Spidey's 19th issue he'd fought Sandman 4 times. He'd also fought the Human Torch in his solo title, Strange Tales.

What folks here are missing is that in fact, Stan loved Sandman so much as a villain, that he graduated him to fight stronger superheroes. Immediately after his last appearance in ASM #19, Sandman moved on to be a member of the Frightful Four. That team had a number of appearances in the Fantastic Four prior to the introduction of Galactus. Sandman even fought and defeated the FF by himself in a pretty cool arc from FF #61-63. Then, in the late sixties Sandman took on the Hulk in several issues. In the 70's he made more appearances with the Frightful Four and solo, taking on Spidey and the Torch in Marvel Team-Up 1 & 2, returning to battle Spidey in ASM #154. There was another extended Frightful Four arc in Spidey 213-215 featuring Sandy, and then a very bizarre arc featuring Sandman and Hydro man in ASM #217-218, where they melded together into a near mindless giant creature.

What happened next, and the why Sandman seemed to fall-off as a villain, is because Marvel turned him into a good guy (A very poor choice IMO), which he remained from the early 80's through the late 90's (82-97 IIRC).

So. To short answer your question- yes. Sandman is a major villain in the Marvel Universe. He's simply not exclusively a Spider-Man villain, even though his first and earliest appearances were in Spidey.

 

[riggs]

I've never found Sandman that interesting as a villain. I think he'll work well in the movie but I don't see him as an original type of character. There have been so many villains that are able to morph because they're made up of some element.

It just makes him a bit dull and I prefer the characters with a bit more originality such as Green Goblin, Dr Octopus and Venom. I don't think Sandman is a bad character, though - he's just overshadowed.

 

[Dragon]

I've never found Sandman that interesting as a villain. I think he'll work well in the movie but I don't see him as an original type of character. There have been so many villains that are able to morph because they're made up of some element.

Yeah, but how many were there when Sandman was created in 1964? If anything these morphing characters are rip-offs of the likes of Sandman rather than vice versa.

 

[Christian]

I don't think i've ever seen Sandman on the cartoon show... maybe once or twice, but it was nothing special.

then.. u were dreaming?

sandman was never on the show.. the 90's one tht is anyway