Sequels Was Wolverine: Origins really that bad?!! (Spoiler)

[henzINNIT]

Origins really is that bad. It fails on nearly every level. A couple of decent performances can't make up for the stupid script, baffling characters and terrible production value.

 

[psylockolussus]

For me, the production value is the most baffling. Like other Fox films like Elektra, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer looked more expensive than this one. Origins: Wolverine is not even a popcorn flick, because I can't just appreciate it for the visuals, because almost everything looked cheap.

 

[dax]

It was quite bad, but all the more frustrating because it had a great cast. So tons of squandered potential.

And also, guys, it's clear they're ignoring the stuff they didn't like. There's no point in trying to make origins fit into the timeline, the filmmakers are treating it like it isn't there.

If you want to...then feel free to. It's like comic continuity at thus point. Things will be ignored and forgotten, some things wont. It really comes down to the reader/viewer to decide what they want in the timeline.

Just don't expect the filmmakers to reference or honor Origins.

That's funny because there's a clip from Apocalypse of Cyclops discovering his mutant powers and it's similar to the scene in Origins where he's being chased by Sabertooth. Plus, we know from the final trailer that Wolverine will be going through the weapon X experiment again and will help Cyclops and other mutants escape from Stryker's base just like in Origins. Looks like the filmmakers aren't ignoring Origins completely because there are several references to that film in the Wolverine, Days of Future Past, and now Apocalypse. More importantly, Bryan Singer did say in an interview for Entertainment Weekly (?) that he wants to pay homage to the previous X-films which includes Origins.

 

[Weather Witch]

magic mind erasing bullet bad

That is actually the most scientifically accurate part of Origins. It's not great, no, but still very accurate. If we accept that the bullet would be able to get into his skull in the first place with his adamantium skeleton (like the bullet in X2 could as well) that is. Anything hit by the bullet would grow back, but the connections and memories stored in there wouldn't.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Origin is a mess but its a watchable mess aslong as you let go off what could have been and accept it for what it is.

 

[def28]

That is actually the most scientifically accurate part of Origins. It's not great, no, but still very accurate. If we accept that the bullet would be able to get into his skull in the first place with his adamantium skeleton (like the bullet in X2 could as well) that is. Anything hit by the bullet would grow back, but the connections and memories stored in there wouldn't.

If Agent Zero was handed the magic bullet prior to being sent that would have helped a little bit. Forgetting to give the mutant marksman the only way to stop him was just really stupid.

 

[Weather Witch]

If Agent Zero was handed the magic bullet prior to being sent that would have helped a little bit. Forgetting to give the mutant marksman the only way to stop him was just really stupid.

Whelp I didn't even think about that. You're right that is pretty stupid. t:

 

[def28]

Yeah, I think the idea would have been fine though if presented stronger.

 

[Gieferg]

After 7 or 8 viewings during last eight years (in theater, on DVD, and BD) I am unable to tell what is the reason of hate towards this movie (other than "It's not a proper Weapon X adaptation"). For me it's 6-7/10, which is not even one point less than "Logan". It has the second best villain of the whole franchise.

I always watch it before original trilogy & after FC.

 

[Superhero 101]

I think the movie is good right until he goes through the procedure. The movie is complete garbage after he gets his adamantium claws

 

[def28]

After 7 or 8 viewings during last eight years (in theater, on DVD, and BD) I am unable to tell what is the reason of hate towards this movie (other than "It's not a proper Weapon X adaptation"). For me it's 6-7/10, which is not even one point less than "Logan". It has the second best villain of the whole franchise.

Dreadful script, excruciating set pieces, laughable vfx, horrible plot devices, extreme studio meddling, shoving in characters for no reason, ruining characters (Deadpool) and then of course it's a really bad interpretation of Weapon X which is kind of a crucial Wolverine story.

Outside of Liev Schreiber, the opening credits and Reynolds pre Deadpool it's tough to find anything well done. Scott Adkins had some good stunts, but it was mixed with bad cgi.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I've once heard "a good movie has 3 great scenes and no bad ones."

Origins has like 2 good scenes and a ****ton of bad ones.

 

[dax]

After 7 or 8 viewings during last eight years (in theater, on DVD, and BD) I am unable to tell what is the reason of hate towards this movie (other than "It's not a proper Weapon X adaptation"). For me it's 6-7/10, which is not even one point less than "Logan". It has the second best villain of the whole franchise.

I always watch it before original trilogy & after FC.

I think the main reason people hate Origins has something to do with what it did to Deadpool.

 

[Loki882]

Yes, it is really that bad. Jackman, Liev Schreiber, and Ryan Reynolds are all really good, but the rest is a mess:

-Lots of mutants that have no reason to be there besides fanservice. The glorified cameo that is Gambit being the most egregious of these, followed by "why is Cyclops even in this movie?"

-Cyclops's optic blasts AREN'T HEAT VISION movie. ALL of the other films got this right, so why couldn't you?

-The special effects were shockingly bad in places given the amount of money spent on it.

-Baraka-pool, that is all that needs to be said about that.

-Wolverine looks like an idiot throughout by falling for such an obvious trap/set-up.

-The explanation for the "Wolverine" moniker is incredibly lame and for all of the talk about "that other half" or "unleashing the animal within," etc, he never comes across like an animal in the film. In fact, he's pretty much the nicest most moral guy there, which negates the whole point.

-There's no attempt to keep the continuity with the other films. Which is even more pathetic since all they had to do was watch ONE other film, X2, and line it up with the flashbacks. But they couldn't even be bothered to do that.

-Stryker's plan makes no sense, and he's nowhere near as interesting or menacing a villain as he was in X2.

-Xavier looked more like an egg than a man with all the CGI done on his face.

-Etc.

But worst of all, they squandered a great and compelling story. Also, the little montage that we get in the opening credits of Logan and Victor fighting in various wars across history. That seems like it'd be a FAR more compelling movie than we actually got, yet it's shoved into a five-minute montage. Heck Logan's time as part of Stryker's team seems like it'd be a far more interesting movie than what we got as well.

It was tremendously disappointing all-around imo.

 

[By your Command]

Yes, it really is that bad, continuity is the least of its problems, terrible plot, horrible use of characters, terrible characters, incredibly awful dialogues, bad cgi. To me the only pros were: Hugh Jackman not phoning it in, and some cool Wade Wilson moments at the beginning, that's about it.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The Wolverine video game tie in had a much better story. That's what the movie should have been

 

[henzINNIT]

The Wolverine video game tie in had a much better story. That's what the movie should have been

The game was fun. The devs were clearly enjoying doing things Fox wouldn't allow on-screen at the time.

 

[Legion]

The Wolverine video game tie in had a much better story. That's what the movie should have been

It had pretty much the same story, the execution was just much better.

XMO:W isn't a good movie but it does have a lot of the elements you would expect from a Wolverine origin movie:

1) Logan volunteers for the procedure per Stryker's claim in X2 - he was tricked into volunteering but he technically did volunteer. He wasn't abducted like in comics or other media.

2) Team X- the line up may be different but he did have a history with a group like this in the comics

3) Sabretooth kills Silverfox - Wolverine has a hatred for Sabretooth that goes back to a memory he had of Sabretooth murdering his lover Silverfox. Logan goes for revenge and receives a severe beating - pre adamantium bonding.

4) Silverfox returns - Logan learns Silverfox is alive and is his enemy. She is later killed for real.

5) Origins - Logan is much older than viewers may have originally realized. He's old enough to have fought in the American Civil War. He was a sickly child and his bone claws were revealed when he killed his apparent biological father for the murder of the man that raised him.

 

[dax]

-Lots of mutants that have no reason to be there besides fanservice. The glorified cameo that is Gambit being the most egregious of these, followed by "why is Cyclops even in this movie?"

Both Gambit and Cyclops's names were on Stryker's computer files in X2. That would indicate that Stryker took them both prisoner at some point before he experimented on Wolverine. Plus, in X1, Sabertooth somehow knew when to dodge Cyclops's optic lasers so that's partly why both Cyclops and Gambit are in Origins.

-Wolverine looks like an idiot throughout by falling for such an obvious trap/set-up.

When you're blinded by rage like Wolverine, you wouldn't be thinking straight either.

-The explanation for the "Wolverine" moniker is incredibly lame and for all of the talk about "that other half" or "unleashing the animal within," etc, he never comes across like an animal in the film. In fact, he's pretty much the nicest most moral guy there, which negates the whole point.

"Nicest most moral guy there"??? Wolverine threatened to impale Agent Zero and he almost popped his claws out when some jerk on the bridge tried to pick a fight with him. Then, he literally pulled his metal claws on Blob during the interrogation and got into a fight with pretty much everyone. Those are definitely not "nice guy" moments.

-There's no attempt to keep the continuity with the other films. Which is even more pathetic since all they had to do was watch ONE other film, X2, and line it up with the flashbacks. But they couldn't even be bothered to do that.

Believe it or not, Origins did make many attempts to keep the continuity with the other movies. I already mentioned the names on Stryker's files in X2 and even if the weapon X procedure didn't match with the X2 flashbacks, neither did the X1 flashbacks. The film also supported Stryker's service in the Vietnam war and his involvement in the weapon X experiment as it's pointed out in X2. It even capitalized on the subtle hints of Sabertooth's memories of both Wolverine and Cyclops in X1 while Xavier's cameo at the end lines up with the X3 flashback scene. Next, Wolverine's memory of Kayla connects Origins to the Wolverine while Days of Future Past made a ton of references to Origins (the bone claws, the "Jimmy" name, the war montage reference, Wolverine's memories of both Quicksilver and his bone claws being broken by Sabertooth). Finally, Logan has him remembering his real name as James Howlett and it featured adamantium bullets.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Origins did try in parts to keep continuty like in X2 stryker says Logan volunteered for the experiment and in Origins they gave him a reason to volunteer so its not like they totally ignored the previous movies.

Although there are bits in Origins that don't add up with the OT and even stuff like sabertooth jumping out of the way of cyclops beam in X1 probably wasn't in mind when making Origins.

 

[X-Maniac]

It could have been so much better.

Kevin Durand was so much better before he got into the silly fatsuit. None of us can forget the ladder-chopping scene for its absurdity. Sabretooth was suddenly entirely different. And it had a cheap look to it, probably because they didn't really finish the FX (it probably went over budget and over schedule).

Oh well... whatevs, as the millennials say, lol...

 

[Weather Witch]

Oh well... whatevs, as the millennials say, lol...

We don't say that.

 

[X-Maniac]

We don't say that.

Whatevs, lol t:

Is that your only comment on my comment?

 

[Weather Witch]

Is that your only comment on my comment?

Yes.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Logan & Silverfox is pretty good.

Logan/Mariko > Logan/Silverfox >>>> barf Logan/Jean