"Wasted Motion"

[Seen]

I agree with Bosef. THE LAST STAND had a no-stakes ending. Pretty dull. Whereas in X2 the entire world was at jeopardy.

 

[bosef982]

Something else I'd like to know Nell, what would've happened had Logan not stopped Phoenix? Since, if Pheonix set a stake -- I have no idea what that destructive potential was since....well, she never really showed a hatred for humanity, never really spoke about what she wanted....and, last time she went ubercrazy like she did at Alcatraz, she instantly calm down after she killed the professor....so....?

Again, if Storm hadn't stopped Cerebro, all of humanity would've died. If Logan hadn't stopped Jean, what...would've...happened...? And if you say, Jean would've run amok and destroyed the world you're really groping since that is NEVER ONCE HINTED OR ESTABLISHED....

In fact, Jean never ONCE harms a human being in X3 until they fire UPON her with the cure. Then she kills alot ....but, my point still stands.

 

[Seen]

I think the scene at Jean Grey's childhood home where Xavier is trying to "bring [her] home" would've been more useful if Xavier was trying to calm Jean (like in the comics) instead of just facing her wrath and demolicuralizing for the fun of it.

Whilst it wouldn't have given Phoenix a motive or reasoning, it would've explained Phoenix's unlimited power. If Xavier dies because he cannot control Jean's power, and he's the world's most powerful telepath, then who can stop Phoenix then? I think the deleted "physic voices" would've explained that, but unfortunately we are led to presume that Xavier just sits there and waits to be killed.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

you can't just pick and choose, your battles, just cause its not the whole world in jeopardy, don't mean, you shouldn't do what you can to try to save, the people who are in danger. it may not of been as big of a threat as in the first two movies, but, a small army of soldiers, several scientist and lap workers, as well as little jimmy (leach), is still enough of a reason to go and fight. also with magneto gathering an army and starting a war, his sets back a lot of the progress that mutant kind has seem to have made
but, the main reason for them to go was the stop jean

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Wasted motion....have we come this far in order to attempt to make X3 seem like a good movie?

No wasted motion = underdeveloped.

This is like a teacher going to a student who took a test, and who failed the test, and saying, "What I really like about your test is that there's no wasted answers -- you answered every question. Every answer counted."

Please...

But that's a horrible analogy, because X3 didn't fail.

The fact that you don't think that personal opinion applies doesn't mean that personal opinion doesn't apply. It applies very much so. Your statements about only people who don't have good standards and don't understand good film making claiming the "opinion" card is nothing more than pompous ramble. You can yell all you want about X3 failing, but simply put, it didn't. Not for me.

 

[The Ones]

But that's a horrible analogy, because X3 didn't fail.

The fact that you don't think that personal opinion applies doesn't mean that personal opinion doesn't apply. It applies very much so. Your statements about only people who don't have good standards and don't understand good film making claiming the "opinion" card is nothing more than pompous ramble. You can yell all you want about X3 failing, but simply put, it didn't. Not for me.

Yea, X-3 rocked. I enjoyed seeing my favourite characters get butchered and hacked by complete ******s. Story arc's destroyed and remoulded for no reason. Of course it didnt fail

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

We only saw Stryker affected by Cerebro targetting humans? So, via the cerebro affect, we didn't see and hear thousands -- millions -- of humans being affected and reeling in pain? Or we didn't see the Secret Service and Presdient McKenna in near death pain? The President of the United States is being assassinated and that isn't "setting the stakes" high enough for you?

What about everyone else? Storm stops Cerebro, and everything is peachy? How many car accidents were there? How many plane crashes? How many people took too much "concentration" from Xavier and died? We see the President awakening, implying he was a mutant. The Cerebro effect shows a bunch of people dropping to the ground. But we don't see what is happening by this occurance taking place.

But even so, your statement saying that, beside Stryker, we don't see the destruction Cerebro's causing is just ludicrous and false.

We don't see the destruction, though. When Cerebro is shut off, everyone is fine! Xavier just talks about this going beyond Alkali Lake, and the President talking about nearly anihilating our way of life. But we don't see any damage that actually did happen.

And those aren'ts stakes your talking about --- your talking about death. Setting the stakes is setting something at RISK -- not actully destroying that thing. If Phoenix kills soldiers she's not putting them at risk -- she's destroying them. At that point the suspense of setting the stakes is over since she's completed her task. In fact, not one thing you listed there "set the stakes" because in the end -- Nell, tell me...what was Magneto's ultimate goal? What was "at stake" at Alcatraz?

Actually, it is stakes, because it shows just what is on the line.

What was Magneto's ultimate goal? Getting, and destroying, the source of the cure, obviously. Did you not pay attention to the movie?

The cure? The cure had already been distributed. So destroying the cure really wasn't at stake.

Okay, but Worthington Labs was still working on ways to perfect the cure, to be able to replicate it without Leech. You think the amount of "cure" they sent out would be the end? Some of the cure was obviously sent out, but by destroying the cure, it couldn't continue to be made. Cure weapons would eventually run out, and the humans wouldn't have a weapon against mutants anymore. Yes, the cure may have been distributed, but by destroying it's source, no more can be made or distributed, and the humans will lose their big weapon against mutants. Shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

The fate of humanity? Nope. Not at stake really. Magneto was just going to destroy the source of the cure -- not realizing that I guess it's already distributed.

See above about the future distribution of the cure.

And you think Magneto would have stopped at Alcatraz? You think that after he destroyed the cure, he would have said "okay, the cure is destroyed, there's no more conflict between humans and mutants, we're cool"? No. Did you hear his speech? "We will go to Alcatraz Island, take control of the cure, and destroy it's source. And then nothing can stop us!" Magneto's war would have continued. Likely against Washington, and the government. Magneto wouldn't have stopped until mutants were superior to humans. Despite your inability to see it, this much IS explained in the movie.

If Magneto succeeded -- and in a way, he did since Leech left the island -- what changes? As we see, Rogue still got cured?

After the cure runs out, no more mutants could be cured. The government would lose their weapon against mutantkind. And Magneto could continue to wage his war upon humanity.

So, tell me Nell, what are the stakes? What "stakes" -- what devestating POTENTIALS -- does X3 raise?

How far Magneto would take this war, to what extremes he'd go to. And now the humans didn't have a weapon to combat him.

In X3, its the possibility of ...... what? If Magneto succeeded, what happens? If the X-Men succeeded, what happens? What changes either way? What was the X-Men's goal? To...stop Magneto from destroying the cure that had already been distributed across the United States?

Magneto's goal is to destroy the cure, so it could not continue to be distributed, and the humans would not have a weapon against him and his army.

The goal of the X-Men was to stop Magneto from:

A. Killing an innocent child
B. Waging his war upon mankind

I'm really not getting you here, Nell.

That's because you're so intent on hating this movie, and forcing everyone else to hate it just as much as yourself.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Something else I'd like to know Nell, what would've happened had Logan not stopped Phoenix? Since, if Pheonix set a stake -- I have no idea what that destructive potential was since....well, she never really showed a hatred for humanity, never really spoke about what she wanted....and, last time she went ubercrazy like she did at Alcatraz, she instantly calm down after she killed the professor....so....?

Again, if Storm hadn't stopped Cerebro, all of humanity would've died. If Logan hadn't stopped Jean, what...would've...happened...? And if you say, Jean would've run amok and destroyed the world you're really groping since that is NEVER ONCE HINTED OR ESTABLISHED....

In fact, Jean never ONCE harms a human being in X3 until they fire UPON her with the cure. Then she kills alot ....but, my point still stands.

She seemed to be a pretty fragile being... not totally mentally stable... with a very destructive power at her disposal, that she could unleash at the blink of an eye.

What happens the next time someone instigates her? Someone of such a fragile mental state, with such a destructive power, cannot be allowed to just be set free. If anyone would ever instigate her, an entire city could be destroyed. I don't see what's so hard about understanding that...

You think Phoenix would destroy Cyclops, Xavier, and the humans with the cure darts, and then say "Okay, I'm cool. I'm done killing people, it's out of my system, everyone else is cool"? No. Next time she gets pissed, it's bye bye San Francisco, bye bye New York, bye bye Chicago, bye bye Washington D.C., or wherever she may be at.

 

[gambitfire]

Honestly Nell did you think this thread was going to move along peacfully?

sorry bud

I won't post anything else in here, Just know that i totally disagree with the premise and all out opinion stated within the thread (Big Surprise ) but it's your thread so enjoy.

Hey X3 haters im one of you how about we just let this one be and give it too the lovers?

Before Chaseter comes in here talking about we are overrunning the place.

Even though this falls under his opinion of a review thread which he feels should not be done by everyone who thinks they can.............
i dunno

Anyways sorry for the rant, What do you my ppl say? let's let this one be.

 

[bosef982]

There is nothing in this film that makes it seem as if the cure isn't already been replicated. The sheer amount of "cure" formula available to the gov't suggest that they are able to replicate this stuff on a mass schedule. So, Nell, the whole...they needed Leech doesn't really stand. There was no "need" to perfect the cure. The FDA -- as Mystique tried to break into -- had already approved the drug and it was deemed "viable." There was nothing to perfect, which further calls into a question why a youngster was being detained by humans. I've heard people say that its because they were in compliance with the Department of Mutant Affairs rules...but so the **** what? So the rules of the DMA sanction the detainment of a child? Oh, that's wonderful...

There is no proof, no mention, no moment in this film where they discuss that they are attempting to replicate it. It is understood and implied by the sheer scope of the cure's usage that it is replicated and far spread. But what does it matter? The cure really doesn't even work as shown by Magneto at the end.

And how does Phoenix killing Cyclops and Xavier show "whats at stake?" They're already dead. It's not like Phoenix is saying, "I'll destroy humanity" and kills Cyclops and Xavier to show her ruthelessness. No. She kills them and doesn't talk for the rest of the movie. Literally, she barely says a word after that moment till her death. She says a few words to Magneto, and that's it. Phoenix is given no motivation, no goal at all...and yet you are able to deduce this vague scheem of her destryoing things in a blink of an eye from what...? Nothing. There is nothing. You're no longer deducing -- you're creating for the sake of making an argument that is flawed and futile from the very beginning.

Magneto destroying the cure is not linked to "nothing can stop us." It makes no sense. That speech made no sense due to that very logic leap from destryoing the cure to "nothing can stop us." You need to stop taking everything this movie says at face value and actually think about it...Magneto destroying the cure would've done nothing.

If the cure had already been distributed and was replicable, Magneto's march on Alcatraz is POINTLESS. Nothing is at stake. The whole -- Jean is so powerful is all so much b/s. None of you can cite anything in the film that suggests any of your possible scenarios other then...Magneto would've gone wild. And...? Why didn't they use THAT plot point where he goes wild instead of this weak-ass one?

BTW, again Nell, get educated on X2 -- the President is not "awakening" from the Cerebro Effect. He and his agents are all in agony, the president just not looking exactly like the others since...you know...people react differently to pain.

Why didn't we see the destruction from the chaos? Well, because it would've seemed too much like a tangent. Its implied and its not relevant to the actual action on screen. Cutting away to show people crashing their cars is just poor filmmaking and is sort of obvious too. It's also a bit of a budgetary constraint -- which is something people forget about X1 and X2. So, cry all you want...it's just not neccessary. Between STryker and the f-ing President of the United States being attacked, I think we get a general idea of how fatal the Cerebro Effect was. What you wanted was a climax after a climax -- thus making the climax anti-climatic. It's poor filmmaking.

And I believe, after Cerebro is shut off, we get the X-Men fleeing for their lives, a quick mention by Xavier that its gone beyond Alkali Lake, and then the death of one of the X-Men. Not to shabby and much more personal than seeing a car crash...I'll watch my local news for that.

I've tried to be nice. But you want to come on here and attack me -- fine. Yes, I do believe that film has objective standards. If that makes me a raging prick who doesn't value other's opinions -- fine, Nell. But that's not what I said. I said that to abandon objective film standards and then call X3 a good movie is idiotic. Just as it would be idiotic for someone to rob a genre or medium of its objective standards and still adhere to it as a good representation of that medium -- it's ludicrous and it cheapens the genre. So, get off my back on that one...you don't like the fact that there ARE rules to filmmaking, fine -- leave it be. But, I'd ask you to consider why there are a few hundred film schools across the country -- including one's both Singer and Ratner attended -- that are teaching these standards.

And, for your information, Nell...I've watched X3 a total of 4 or 5 times now. ANd I stick by my standard that it is a film whose parts are better than its whole -- thus why I can watch it. Its a film that I enjoy on the back of the first two films and out of loyalty to the characters developed and portrayed in the first two films -- X3: The Last Stand ironically does not stand on its own -- it crumbles. It is a subpar ending -- the plastic wrap on top of a jar when you could've used a lid -- to this trilogy.

Do I hate X3? Not really. I just find it a poor piece of filmmaking. What I hate, is the nauesating self-justificaiton and deception from people who think that if they tear X2 up, X3 will become a better movie -- already admitting in such a tactic that X2 needs to be lowered to X3, and thus that X3 was a step down, and not up.

But this thread is yours now, Nell. Talk about Wasted Motion, here, we're talking about wasted space.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

There is nothing in this film that makes it seem as if the cure isn't already been replicated. The sheer amount of "cure" formula available to the gov't suggest that they are able to replicate this stuff on a mass schedule. So, Nell, the whole...they needed Leech doesn't really stand. There was no "need" to perfect the cure. The FDA -- as Mystique tried to break into -- had already approved the drug and it was deemed "viable." There was nothing to perfect, which further calls into a question why a youngster was being detained by humans. I've heard people say that its because they were in compliance with the Department of Mutant Affairs rules...but so the **** what? So the rules of the DMA sanction the detainment of a child? Oh, that's wonderful...

There is no proof, no mention, no moment in this film where they discuss that they are attempting to replicate it. It is understood and implied by the sheer scope of the cure's usage that it is replicated and far spread. But what does it matter? The cure really doesn't even work as shown by Magneto at the end.

Did you even watch the movie?

Beast: "How long will you keep the boy here?"
Dr. Rao: "Until we can fully map his DNA, we can replicate it, but we cannot generate it."

Without the boy, and his DNA, they cannot make the cure. Therefore they cannot continue to produce it. Therefore, simply supply and demand dictates that it will eventually run out. Therefore, there will eventually be no more cure.

And how does Phoenix killing Cyclops and Xavier show "whats at stake?" They're already dead. It's not like Phoenix is saying, "I'll destroy humanity" and kills Cyclops and Xavier to show her ruthelessness. No. She kills them and doesn't talk for the rest of the movie. Literally, she barely says a word after that moment till her death. She says a few words to Magneto, and that's it. Phoenix is given no motivation, no goal at all...and yet you are able to deduce this vague scheem of her destryoing things in a blink of an eye from what...? Nothing. There is nothing. You're no longer deducing -- you're creating for the sake of making an argument that is flawed and futile from the very beginning.

The fact that she killed the two closest people in her life to her doesn't show stakes? Come on! I'm not saying that this was the way to go, but the fact that she killed them off, what's she going to do to people she has no connection with? Say "Whatever" and walk off?

Words don't always need to be used to show her motivation. And words were used rather well to show her motivation.

Wolverine: "We can help, the professor can fix it."
Phoenix: "I don't wanna fix it!"

The Phoenix doesn't want to be locked up again. Anyone that is a threat to that, Xavier, soldiers, and she even toyed with Magneto a bit, she will off. But you think that after that, she's just going to be all nice and peachy? Did you not listen to the Professor?

"A creature full of desire, joy, andRAGE"

You do know that more than one thing can piss someone off, right? And you do realize that when Phoenix was pissed off, people paid, right?

THOSE were the stakes. The kind of damage that could happen if she was left alone, and not destroyed. The killing of Cyclops, Xavier, and all those soldiers on Alcatraz show just how real those stakes were. And it's not like it'd just end at Alcatraz.

Magneto destroying the cure is not linked to "nothing can stop us." It makes no sense. That speech made no sense due to that very logic leap from destryoing the cure to "nothing can stop us." You need to stop taking everything this movie says at face value and actually think about it...Magneto destroying the cure would've done nothing.

Magneto destroying the source of the cure would have destroyed the cure. They would not be able to create it anymore. And they would run out. They would no longer have cure weapons anymore to use against mutants. They'd no longer have cure clinics to cure the mutants. It would be GONE.

I need to think about it? I think YOU do. You're totally ignoring the pieces of the puzzle the movie flat out told you. You think that just because the cure has been distributed, that it is now an infinate source and they can just make it whenever they want. But they can't. Yes the cure has been distributed, and yes mutants have been cured, but by destroying the cure, the cure will eventually run out, no more will be made, and the humans won't have their weapons against the mutants. And then, nothing CAN stop them...

If the cure had already been distributed and was replicable, Magneto's march on Alcatraz is POINTLESS. Nothing is at stake. The whole -- Jean is so powerful is all so much b/s. None of you can cite anything in the film that suggests any of your possible scenarios other then...Magneto would've gone wild. And...? Why didn't they use THAT plot point where he goes wild instead of this weak-ass one?

Because he needed to destroy the cure first, to destroy the weapon the humans had against them.

If destroying the cure was the final goal of the Brotherhood, and of Magneto, he would not have said "And then, NOTHING CAN STOP US!" But the fact that he did, shows that he has bigger plans beyond just Alcatraz. They weren't explicitly stated, but since they aren't a direct part of the plot, it doesn't need to be. It just needs to be known that once Magneto destroys the cure, the humans won't have much of a defense against him when he continues his march, and the X-Men must stand against him now.

BTW, again Nell, get educated on X2 -- the President is not "awakening" from the Cerebro Effect. He and his agents are all in agony, the president just not looking exactly like the others since...you know...people react differently to pain.

Watch the scene again. He is blatantly looking up. It's not even in question. Anyone who thinks he's actually in pain in that scene, and not recovering, has comprehension issues.

Why didn't we see the destruction from the chaos? Well, because it would've seemed too much like a tangent. Its implied and its not relevant to the actual action on screen. Cutting away to show people crashing their cars is just poor filmmaking and is sort of obvious too. It's also a bit of a budgetary constraint -- which is something people forget about X1 and X2. So, cry all you want...it's just not neccessary. Between STryker and the f-ing President of the United States being attacked, I think we get a general idea of how fatal the Cerebro Effect was. What you wanted was a climax after a climax -- thus making the climax anti-climatic. It's poor filmmaking.

Actually, I don't even really have a problem with it. It's you, and all the X3 bashers, who automatically assume that because I said X2 isn't perfect, I think it sucks and X3 is so perfect. I love X2. I've stated it many times in this thread. It was my favorite until X3 came along, and now they are about tied, for different reasons. X2 has character. X3 has action.

But all you X3 bashers have Singer up on a pedastal of some sort of god that when a less than positive remark is made about his films, you all flip out and have to run around attacking anything and everything X3, and those who like it. You can't just accept the fact that yes, some people liked X3. Deal with it.

And I believe, after Cerebro is shut off, we get the X-Men fleeing for their lives, a quick mention by Xavier that its gone beyond Alkali Lake, and then the death of one of the X-Men. Not to shabby and much more personal than seeing a car crash...I'll watch my local news for that.

And didn't you see me say that that's the part of the film that became great again?

Up until that point, I find myself a bit bored with the entire climax. It's Xavier sitting in a chair, and a bunch of people dropping down in pain. Singer was great at establishing this universe, and who these characters were, and he had a great sense of style and elegance, but when it came to developing a climax, and exciting action, not so much. But by the time they get back into the X-Jet, things start to pick up again.

But maybe you missed that because you're so mad at me for liking X3, that you had to go on and on attacking X3 and my opinion of it, that you forgot to read the good things I said about X2.

I've tried to be nice. But you want to come on here and attack me -- fine. Yes, I do believe that film has objective standards. If that makes me a raging prick who doesn't value other's opinions -- fine, Nell. But that's not what I said. I said that to abandon objective film standards and then call X3 a good movie is idiotic. Just as it would be idiotic for someone to rob a genre or medium of its objective standards and still adhere to it as a good representation of that medium -- it's ludicrous and it cheapens the genre. So, get off my back on that one...you don't like the fact that there ARE rules to filmmaking, fine -- leave it be. But, I'd ask you to consider why there are a few hundred film schools across the country -- including one's both Singer and Ratner attended -- that are teaching these standards.

I never started the attacks. You're the one that came into this thread and called my views out. Because I said something positive about X3, an advantage that I felt it had over X2, and you had to come in here and call me out.

You're also the one who's been claiming that the only people who play the "opinion" card are people with lower standards who don't understand good filmmaking. That sounds like an attack to me.

And, for your information, Nell...I've watched X3 a total of 4 or 5 times now. ANd I stick by my standard that it is a film whose parts are better than its whole -- thus why I can watch it. Its a film that I enjoy on the back of the first two films and out of loyalty to the characters developed and portrayed in the first two films -- X3: The Last Stand ironically does not stand on its own -- it crumbles. It is a subpar ending -- the plastic wrap on top of a jar when you could've used a lid -- to this trilogy.

Okay, that's fine. I don't feel that way, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't come into my threads attacking me for the way I feel about the film.

Do I hate X3? Not really. I just find it a poor piece of filmmaking. What I hate, is the nauesating self-justificaiton and deception from people who think that if they tear X2 up, X3 will become a better movie -- already admitting in such a tactic that X2 needs to be lowered to X3, and thus that X3 was a step down, and not up.

But I'm not trying to bring X2 down to make X3 good. I already think that X3 is good. And I also think that X2 is good. This thread is merely to point out ONE thing that I think X3 does better than X2. It's not to claim that X3 is a better film. It's not to knock on X2. And if you actually read what I said about both films, you could understand that.

But this thread is yours now, Nell. Talk about Wasted Motion, here, we're talking about wasted space.

This thread is mine, after you've sabotaged and ruined it? Thanks.

So much for the X3 bashers letting us X3 lovers have our positive threads...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Honestly Nell did you think this thread was going to move along peacfully?

Well, considering the X3 bashers claim that they let us X3 lovers have our threads without coming in and ruining them, I assumed I could take them on their word of that. I guess not... the X3 bashers are just out to prove this film sucked, and anyone who liked it needs to be shown that they are wrong...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yea, X-3 rocked. I enjoyed seeing my favourite characters get butchered and hacked by complete ******s. Story arc's destroyed and remoulded for no reason. Of course it didnt fail

You don't have to like it. That's fine that certain things didn't work for you.

But they did for me.

So I don't want to be told that this movie failed, when in my eyes, it didn't.

 

[TKing]

You don't have to like it. That's fine that certain things didn't work for you.

But they did for me.

So I don't want to be told that this movie failed, when in my eyes, it didn't.

I'm with you, Nell. I loved the movie, it had great action and good storytelling, and I loved seeing the revamped version of Callisto and Juggernaut, among others.

But you can't change people's opinions, no matter how big-headed they are...

 

[*xmenfan*]

I have to disagree with you Nell. X2 had no 'wasted motion'.

Example: Nightcrawler. He has a great set up (White House attack), and a great character establishment (his talk to Storm and Jean at the church), and then except for a talk about faith to Storm in the X-Jet, really does nothing and is just there.

When nightcrawler talks about faith to storm this shows that the character is religous its just character development & this helps people who have no idea who he is.

I'm afraid X3 had no character development init what so ever! & i got completely lost the first time i watched it.
With X2 i knew what was going on, these little things help a movie.

I have to say but x3 sucked but meh thats my opinion lol.

 

[kooguy911]

theres is "wasted motion" in X3. Explain why the scene where they are in the x-jet waiting to get to azkaban is so important..?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

Maybe Mystique and Logan scene in X2 was wasted motion, but hey, whats the purpose of Mystique and the guard exchanging offences in the convoy too? Or as the above person said, the x-jet moments? Yes, they show how the X-men feel afraid, hesitant and determined to go to battle, but in X2, the scene also showed the lust side of Mystique, which was quite good.

I don't really think Dark Cerebro had any wasted motion. Everything was there to work as an explanation. I don't think we need to see 100 different microscenes of people crashing cars and planes. We knew what was happening, showing further would make that part redundant. We saw humans agonizing, we saw mutants agonizing.

Maybe it was X3's task to explain a bit further the outcomes of Dark Cerebro (which WERE showed to an extent in X2, or the President making an offical announcement to the entire country about it wasn't enough to show its importance?), instead of simply forgetting what happened.

 

[La_She-Beast]

^^Lol Azkaban... awesome.

 

[TKing]

theres is "wasted motion" in X3. Explain why the scene where they are in the x-jet waiting to get to azkaban is so important..?

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[*xmenfan*]

azkaban lmao!

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

lol. sounds to me like this guy has been watching waaaaaaaaay too many Harry potter movies.

 

[danoyse]

Do I hate X3? Not really. I just find it a poor piece of filmmaking. What I hate, is the nauesating self-justificaiton and deception from people who think that if they tear X2 up, X3 will become a better movie -- already admitting in such a tactic that X2 needs to be lowered to X3, and thus that X3 was a step down, and not up.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

Maybe some people actually liked X3 better than X2. Personally, I thought X2 was the best film of the trilogy, but my favorite is still probably X1.

I don't agree that there was any "wasted motion" in X2. I wish that X3 had that extra time to develop the characters and have a fuller storyline like the second movie did. It's really the only thing I find somewhat aggravating about X3. But I've seen it 7 times and I like the movie regardless.

I'm not tearing into X2 as a film--what I think is that it didn't set up X3 well. At least not the version that a lot of the fans wanted. Cyclops was supposed to be such a huge character...why did he barely appear in the more than 15 minutes of the film. Jean's power was out of control...why no scene with Xavier acknowledging something about her past that would have explained his behavior better when she returned in X3.

I thought X3 was so open to the storyline that it had because nothing was concetely (is that word?) set up in the previous two that negated it.

It's the set-up, not the movie.

 

[gambitfire]

Well, considering the X3 bashers claim that they let us X3 lovers have our threads without coming in and ruining them, I assumed I could take them on their word of that. I guess not... the X3 bashers are just out to prove this film sucked, and anyone who liked it needs to be shown that they are wrong...

Everyone has plenty of threads, You know very well the way you preached you'r opinion in that first post almost trying to get unwanted attention that someone was bound to fire back.

Sorry bud, but can't help it feel that you knew what was coming and hence why you did it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Everyone has plenty of threads, You know very well the way you preached you'r opinion in that first post almost trying to get unwanted attention that someone was bound to fire back.

Sorry bud, but can't help it feel that you knew what was coming and hence why you did it.

So what, are you trying to say that I purposefully was looking for trouble with this thread?

Are you saying that we can't start a positive thread about X3 without it meaning we're "looking for trouble"?

I wasn't looking for trouble. There's been so much negativity regarding X3 around here, and I wanted to provide a more positive opinion. This was something that's been on my mind for awhile, it's something that I feel X3 did better than X2. It's not to bash X2. It's to point out something that I feel X3 has an advantage in.

To say that I was looking for trouble is ridiculous, and only implies that any posting of a positive opinion is just looking for trouble...

 

[Theweepeople]

So what, are you trying to say that I purposefully was looking for trouble with this thread?

Are you saying that we can't start a positive thread about X3 without it meaning we're "looking for trouble"?

I wasn't looking for trouble. There's been so much negativity regarding X3 around here, and I wanted to provide a more positive opinion. This was something that's been on my mind for awhile, it's something that I feel X3 did better than X2. It's not to bash X2. It's to point out something that I feel X3 has an advantage in.

To say that I was looking for trouble is ridiculous, and only implies that any posting of a positive opinion is just looking for trouble...

I have a question for you Nell. I remember you being an X3 hater after the first time you saw the film. Could you please explain to me what was it about that second viewing that caused you to make a 180 degree turn in opinion because my opinion went down even more after my second viewing?