watch the golden compass go to hell

[Tally Man]

Pan's Labyrinth was anti-religion?

How so?

Details please.

I think he's just naming movies which seem to be in the same fantasy genre as the golden compass and comparing their lack of success to this one's failure.

 

[Super Kal]

Why? My parrot talks to me.

I just don't find it appealing

 

[Steve Rogers]

I'll tell you though, I'm pretty offended by what Christianity did to my life, and to my family's life, and what it's done to the world.

I like that. A lot. I think I might have a plaque made of it.

 

[raybia]

I think he's just naming movies which seem to be in the same fantasy genre as the golden compass and comparing their lack of success to this one's failure.

I believe Pan was very successful, critical at least. Nominated for an Oscar.

 

[Diamondhead]

What!? That is nonsense! You're fired!

jag

I didn’t like that Adam’ son, eve’s daughter references either.

I guess The ice queen was Liilith
Adam’s first wife!

They shouldn’t mix religion with crappy movie like that

Specialy when it’s a movie for little kids.

 

[Spade]

I'm not watching it because it might have some ulterior message, but because it doesn't appeal to me. I just don't see where the fuss is...if you don't want your kids watching it, it's not like you can't stop them. Parents may be stupid at times, but no one can really stop you from parenting. People are acting like this movie's a magnet, their kid is iron, and there's nothing that can be done to prevent them from seeing this if they wanted to.

 

[Vilya]

I watched the movie, it wasn't good story telling.

 

[sithgoblin]

That's where I stand as well. You have to be a moron to deny the fact that it's a 50/50 chance we evolved or were created.

Ignorant posts like this make me sad. There is no doubt that we evolved. The origin of life and the evolution of life are two different things.

 

[VII7]

like others have said its ok to release the chronicles of narnia etc which those are about god but its horrible to release anything that might offend (god) its sad how anyone can truely believe that there is a god

 

[raybia]

like others have said its ok to release the chronicles of narnia etc which those are about god but its horrible to release anything that might offend (god) its sad how anyone can truely believe that there is a god

You know I have no problem with people who either doubt the existence of G-d or just downright deny that he exists.

I feel that respecting each person's belief system is the right thing to do especially if the belief system is beneficial to your life.

However I have a big problem with those who ridicule the beliefs of others and those who have the audacity to presume that their's is superior.

So you proclaim that its sad how anyone can believe that there is a G-d then my questions for you is, "Elaborate on why its sad to believe in G-d" and "Prove to me that G-d doesn't exist?" since you think its so utterly ridiculous to believe in a Creator of the Universe.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

However I have a big problem with those who ridicule the beliefs of others and those who have the audacity to presume that their's is superior.

But there is a belief that is superior to all others.

In every religion, there are members who feel that they have experienced supernatural confirmation that, despite the invisible/intangible/inaudible nature of their God, he is the one true God.

You can actually use science to empirically prove that Mormonism's account is false, but Mormons will swear that it's irrelevant because they prayed and felt a "burning in their bosom" that told them Mormonism is true.
It's like this with all religions.

But they contradict eachother, so of all the religons that feel they have the "one truth", only one of them can be right. They can't all be right.
And their beliefs are ALL based on second hand stories passed down from imperfect person to imperfect person.



You can't know that any religion is true, you can only think you do, but when you feel you "know" that, you are wrong. No one knows for sure until after we die...and even the people who have died and then been revived contradict eachother.




The only belief that is 100% truth, totally factual, and therefore, superior, is Agnosticism.

Whether people like it or not, here are the FACTS.

There may be a God who created the universe.
There may be a plurality of Gods.
There may be no God at all.
We. Can't. Know. For. Sure.

It's obvious to me that if there is a God, he WANTS us, actively WANTS us all to be Agnostics, for whatever reason we can't now fathom.
If he didn't, then he'd reveal his existence, communicate with us, tell us in a definitive, undeniable way what his true will for us is.

Think of it, if he really wants us to do something, he WANTS it.
Why would he leave ANY room for confusion with regards to what he wants of us, if it's what he WANTS??

If I'm going out of town, and I really want you to water my plants for me so they don't die, I'm not going to never mention the plants to you, or leave clues hidden in several books on the shelf that, IF interpreted and solved correctly, will lead you to more clues, that, if solved, will give you the message "Please, water my plants."

LOL, no WAY.
And I sure wouldn't leave a bunch of notes that contradict each other, leaving it up to you to decide which one is true.

"No matter what, never, ever water my plants!"
"Just talk to my plants and pour a diet Pepsi on 'em once a week."
"Spray my plants with mist every hour on the hour."
"Be sure, SURE to only water my plants every other day, or they'll die."


Would it make A.N.Y. sense for me to leave those notes, if I wanted you to care for my plants while I was away?



If there's a God, we're doing his will by being Agnostic.
It's the only superior belief...because it's the only one we can know is true, the only one that's 100% based on fact.

 

[jaguarr]

Whenever I read the thread title and then look at the box office take on this movie, the more I think ultimate_evil must not have made a typo when he wrote it.

jag

 

[Danalys]

Whenever I read the thread title and then look at the box office take on this movie, the more I think ultimate_evil must not have made a typo when he wrote it.

jag

lol

 

[SouLeSS]

When I first heard about the film I was excited, but now I'm afraid it's just going to ruin one of my favorite trilogies ever

What they did was take out the end part of the first book and put it at the start of the second movie, if the first one does well enough to warrent The Subtle Knife, so they arn't changing that much. The director and producer both (or if it's the same guy, cant remember) said that they(he) intends to keep the trilogy as true as it can be, but leaving the "cliffhanger" of the first book for the begining of the second movie to give the first one a "One and done" feel if need be.

 

[Figs]

Ignorant posts like this make me sad. There is no doubt that we evolved. The origin of life and the evolution of life are two different things.

My mistake. Yes, even if the planet was "created" by a higher power we still have evolution going on. I just find it funny when people are 100% on either side and totally denounce the other like they know it as fact. In terms of the religious fanatics who don't think we evolve at all, like a god snapped his finger and the first people just appeared lol.

 

[raybia]

But there is a belief that is superior to all others.

Again that is a matter of opinion.


But they contradict eachother, so of all the religons that feel they have the "one truth", only one of them can be right. They can't all be right.
And their beliefs are ALL based on second hand stories passed down from imperfect person to imperfect person.

This is where I differ with you. I don't believe its a matter of "They can't all be right." I think what is more important is "Which religion is right for you" from the standpoint, "which religion provides you with the best direction in order to live the best life possible in any and all aspects of life?"

I'm Muslim and my understanding of its teaching is helping to mould me into a person who is kind, considerate, thoughtful, conscious of my actions, patient, responsible, hard working, etc, etc.

Now my grandmother has been Christian her whole life and from everything that I know about her but especially the kind of person she is right now, she is an excellent model of the person I would like to be and I know that her belief system played a large role in shaping her.

So if I had the opportunity to convert her to my belief system I would absolutely not. Why? What can I offer her than what she already has? I would never interfere with someone who is at peace with their beliefs and who is living a quality life. Nor would I change my religion because the reason I'm not at her level isn't because of Islam but because of by lack of effort to apply its teaching in my life.



You can't know that any religion is true, you can only think you do, but when you feel you "know" that, you are wrong. No one knows for sure until after we die...and even the people who have died and then been revived contradict eachother.

I think that Islam is true for me but I know that it may not be true for others. The only wrong for me is if Islam destroys and tears down my life instead of building it up.

The way I feel about myself and the world around me, I don't have to die to be sure that my faith is true. To be honest it really doesn't matter what I find out after I die. I'm more concern about the quality of my life here on Earth in this live. If I can find pockets of happiness but more importantly "inner peace" then I cannot think of a better existence than that in this lifetime.


The only belief that is 100% truth, totally factual, and therefore, superior, is Agnosticism.

Whether people like it or not, here are the FACTS.

There may be a God who created the universe.
There may be a plurality of Gods.
There may be no God at all.
We. Can't. Know. For. Sure.

I think I agree with that except I don't think its superior. Superior is the belief that benefits my life and the live of my family and community. For me I choose to have faith that:

There is a G-d who created the universe and everything in it.
There is no plurality of G-ds.
G-d does exist.
While we can't know for sure, I'm going to take a chance and follow a particular belief system that both "feels right" and appeals to my intelligence.

What do I have to lose? If I'm ultimately wrong, I still cannot go wrong following a belief system that helps to keep me sane, a relatively good person and productive while I'm here.



It's obvious to me that if there is a God, he WANTS us, actively WANTS us all to be Agnostics, for whatever reason we can't now fathom.
If he didn't, then he'd reveal his existence, communicate with us, tell us in a definitive, undeniable way what his true will for us is.

Think of it, if he really wants us to do something, he WANTS it.
Why would he leave ANY room for confusion with regards to what he wants of us, if it's what he WANTS??



LOL, no WAY.
And I sure wouldn't leave a bunch of notes that contradict each other, leaving it up to you to decide which one is true.

I understand your point and I really don't have a good answer at this time that would satisfy you as I'm only human and there is more that I don't understand than what I do.

I just know for me at least, I'm on the best path that I could follow and it seems that you are too.

I just want to achieve my human potential and fulfill my human destiny. There may be numerous paths that will achieve this and its up to each and everyone of us to consider them and choose which one to take.

With that said, the are many people who could care less about reaching their potential and live a more hedonistic lifestyle. I can only say to each their own. Its your life to do as you please.



If there's a God, we're doing his will by being Agnostic.
It's the only superior belief...because it's the only one we can know is true, the only one that's 100% based on fact.

If there is a G-d then I don't think I would be opposing him by choosing to believe and have faith in him and sincerely trying to do his will as I understand by trying to basically be a good person and live a meaningful and productive life.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Now my grandmother has been Christian her whole life and from everything that I know about her but especially the kind of person she is right now, she is excellent model of the person I would like to be and I know that her belief system played a large role in shaping her.

So if I had the opportunity to convert her to my belief system I would absolutely not. Why? What can I offer her than what she already has? I would never interfere with someone who is at peace with their beliefs.

According to her Bible you are going to Hell.
It doesn't matter if all religions make all people the best people they can be while on Earth, if not believing in one really does mean that you suffer damnation.

What do I have to lose? If I'm ultimately wrong, I still cannot go wrong following a belief system that helps to keep me sane, a relatively good person and productive while I'm here.

You have everything to lose, unless you're one of those dishonest people who describe themselves as "Christians" when really they only go to church on Christmas and Easter (such people were condemned by the very Jesus whose banner they profess to fly).

First of all, if it's your religion that's keeping you sane and happy, and it turns out that the religion is false, then you're living a lie. In a case like that, the phrase "Religion is the opiate of the masses." is true, because there are people who cope with life's problems in other ways that are unhealthy, but if you both die, happy, then being an alcoholic and being a Muslim are no different.
Truth is what's real and what's important, not clinging to a Dumbo's Feather.
I would say that learning to be sane and happy on your own, coming to terms with life as a conscious creature, that never asked to be here, but finds himself here nevertheless...could be a huge part of why we're here, and that if you avoid that process of personal evolution, you may have just wasted your entire time here.

And as far as those who are devoted to their religion, they have a TON to lose and miss out on if they remain devoted to the rules of men, professing to be the mouth piece for the infallible God. TONS.

If there is a G-d then I don't think I would be opposing him by choosing to believe and have faith in him and sincerely trying to do his will as I understand by trying to basically be a good person and live a meaningful and productive life.

That's true and he would know that you can't be blamed for "opposing" him, because he would know, "Hey, it's not RAYBIA'S fault if he gets something a little bit wrong, 'cause I"VE NEVER TOLD THE HUMANS WHAT I EXPECT OF THEM, IN PERSON....I've just left them there, abandoned them there to figure it all out on their own."

Which is the flaw with the religions, where they tell you "facts" that can't be proven.
Their God is not like that, sensible like that.
In cases where they state that there is a God, and he expects X,Y and Z from all of us, and we have his words, and they are perfect truth....then you ARE actually opposing the one true God when you choose not to submit to theirs.
These nonsensical Gods expect you to instinctively know something that can't be known, and people base their beliefs on gullibility, geography, filial brain washing, etc.

Sense made, none.

 

[raybia]

According to her Bible you are going to Hell.

If that is the case so be it. Why should that concern me when I don't buy it to it? I'm pretty sure she doesn't or at least she hasn't come right out and condemned if she does believe it.

It doesn't matter if all religions make all people the best people they can be while on Earth, if not believing in one really does mean that you suffer damnation.

Do you really believe that? I you do then you need to believe in a religion. If you don't then why let that even concern you? As far as I'm concern every person has a religion as I define religion as "a way of live." The way you choose to live is your religion. Live it and love it or leave it and follow one that will make you all you can be.

You have everything to lose, unless you're one of those dishonest people who describe themselves as "Christians" when really they only go to church on Christmas and Easter (such people were condemned by the very Jesus whose banner they profess to fly).

I have nothing to lose if the way I choose to believe and live provides me with a good existence. I describe myself as a Muslim which is not based on how many times I go to the Mosque but on being obedient to the G-d I choose to believe in. Hypocrisy is a real danger when you are open about your beliefs and I try my best to always be on guard against it.


First of all, if it's your religion that's keeping you sane and happy, and it turns out that the religion is false, then you're living a lie.

But if it turns out that it is true then I lived the truth. Either way, I benefited from it while on Earth.

In a case like that, the phrase "Religion is the opiate of the masses." is true, because there are people who cope with life's problems in other ways that are unhealthy, but if you both die, happy, then being an alcoholic and being a Muslim are no different.

Well I understand that phrase as those on high who use organized religion to control the masses.

Also I didn't say that I'm a Muslim merely to be happy. Happiness is a "state of being" that is elusive. IMO the best you can do is pursuit it and experience pockets of happiness while alive but I said in my previous post that its more important for me to have "inner peace" and not so much at the time that I die but to achieve it and maintain it during my lifetime.

I don't know of alcoholics who have "inner peace" nor do I know of alcoholics who are happy as I think that condition would more so numb them of the pain they are experiencing than truly proving happiness.




Truth is what's real and what's important, not clinging to a Dumbo's Feather.
I would say that learning to be sane and happy on your own, coming to terms with life as a conscious creature, that never asked to be here, but finds himself here nevertheless...could be a huge part of why we're here, and that if you avoid that process of personal evolution, you may have just wasted your entire time here.

I believe that Islam is the truth and I am learning to be sane and happy on my own terms by choosing on my own to depend on the one who I believe created me for guidance. I'm not Muslim because of mommy or daddy or because of some girl or peer pressure or being locked into a room and indoctrinated until I saw the light. I made an informed decision that using the best of my reason and heart to take this path. I wasn't talked into it and I won't be talked out of it.

As far as being a conscious being and the concept of personal evolution, my religion makes that of the utmost importance and its the reason of its importance in my life. Also, the truth of the matter is that I have evolved in my 4 decades on Earth so its not even a question that I have wasted my time. If anything I'm wasting my time here on the Hype.

And as far as those who are devoted to their religion, they have a TON to lose and miss out on if they remain devoted to the rules of men, professing to be the mouth piece for the infallible God. TONS.

What is it that they have to lose and miss out on? They don't believe its the rules of men, they belief its the rules of G-d.

And if you are an American like myself, you cannot get around following "rules of men" anyway regardless of your religious believes or lack thereof. I follow the rules of the country as long as it doesn't violate the "rules of G-d" and so far I'm not aware of any conflict.

That's true and he would know that you can't be blamed for "opposing" him, because he would know, "Hey, it's not RAYBIA'S fault if he gets something a little bit wrong, 'cause I"VE NEVER TOLD THE HUMANS WHAT I EXPECT OF THEM, IN PERSON....I've just left them there, abandoned them there to figure it all out on their own."

So according to your logic, he won't blame me for trying to follow him and choosing a book I sincerely believe is from him so I can rely on him to figure it all out since I conceded that I cannot do it myself due to my human limitations.

Which is the flaw with the religions, where they tell you "facts" that can't be proven.

What you call a flaw, others call the method to grow and evolve as a human being. I'm not as concerned about what humanity is able to prove as I am about what my intelligence helps me to accept. I have choose to have faith that the "facts" of my religion are real by trusting my intellect.

Their God is not like that, sensible like that.
In cases where they state that there is a God, and he expects X,Y and Z from all of us, and we have his words, and they are perfect truth....then you ARE actually opposing the one true God when you choose not to submit to theirs.

I don't submit to "their" truth I submit to the one true G-d and his word, which I believe is the Quran and I study his word to obtain knowledge and a better understanding of what he wants of me. I fact I go against the grain somewhat among Muslims because I don't always accept the "understanding of scholars." I have a mind and I try to use it to think for myself.

These nonsensical Gods expect you to instinctively know something that can't be known, and people base their beliefs on gullibility, geography, filial brain washing, etc.

Sense made, none.

In many cases this is true but know this can apply to other beliefs, not just religious ones. I am also more wary of people who don't believe in nothing than those who believe in something.

However in my case I opened the Quran, I read it and chose to accept it and I continue my study to obtain the best understanding that I can for my personal benefit.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

It really is shocking isn't it? That a man would devote his life goal to undermine Christianity. This is horrible and sick.

hahahaha! why?
why is it horrible and sick?
there are people, respected people in the Christian community that DEDICATE their lives and the lives of others to undermine

A. gays
B. Atheists
C. politicians they don't like

are they horrible and sick people in your view?

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Whenever I read the thread title and then look at the box office take on this movie, the more I think ultimate_evil must not have made a typo when he wrote it.

jag

your right it was all a digg at the films box office, You're lucky to have the ultimate evil as a friend. But cross me, and I'll turn on you like that.

 

[raybia]

your right it was all a digg at the films box office, You're lucky to have the ultimate evil as a friend. But cross me, and I'll turn on you like that.

I guess this thread didn't go in the direction you anticipated.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I guess this thread didn't go in the direction you anticipated.

havnt checked the whole thing, lots of name calling and *****ing

 

[Varient]

A mind Picture:

Devout turned Aggie passes from this world.

Finds himself facing his personal view of his primary deity prior to his turning away from his religion.

Both stand facing each other -

The Ag sez ,...... "Well" in mild surprise.

The Deity replies,..... "Well?" In the form of a question.

At this point one looks mildly embarrassed,.... the other looks mildly Irate.

Which one has which expression and why?

V.

 

[Varient]

havnt checked the whole thing, lots of name calling and *****ing

Hmph.

I thought it was pretty civil for what passes as an Anti- religion thread.

(Going back to look again.)

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

A mind Picture:

Devout turned Aggie passes from this world.

Finds himself facing his personal view of his primary deity prior to his turning away from his religion.

Both stand facing each other -

The Ag sez ,...... "Well" in mild surprise.

The Deity replies,..... "Well?" In the form of a question.

At this point one looks mildly embarrassed,.... the other looks mildly Irate.

Which one has which expression and why?

V.

Obviously

the Agnostic would be irrate - "WTF didn't you communicate with me and prove your very existence when you knew it was my one problem with the idea of believing in you and it would be simplicity itself for you to do it?!? "

The Deity would be embarrassed - "Wow, my own creation is smarter than I am? What was I thinking, expecting him to devote his life to me when I'm totally invisible/intangible/inaudible ?!?
That's ******ed...he'd have no reason to believe in me over any OTHER mythical story.