WATCHMEN! THE MUSIC VIDEO!-Ugh...ok...more on the MCR story we heard about earlier...

[Motown Marvel]

I just thought of an intresting question for everyone. With Snyder directing the music video, what did you expect it to be like?

i dont know what i was expecting. but the song has the advantage of dylan lyrics, which are full of rich surrealistic imagery you could draw upon. but that wasnt done. instead they opt for "okay, here it is, the video is gonna be you guys being SOOOOO punk rock....that the cops come and a riot starts! huh? how punk is that?"

 

[Bubastis]

When the two guys started pushing eachother, my brow just dropped

 

[Kane52630]

i hate MCR with a passion, and after watching that video it only increase my hate on them
they should of picked a better band

 

[CaptainGenerica]

I actually thought that was pretty solid. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. It's not gonna win a Grammy but I dug it.

I mean let's be honest, "Desolation Row" is not, musically speaking, particularly sophisticated. It's the lyrics and the delivery that are genius; the actual song is just 7 minutes of the same four chords over and over. Covering that song is bound to turn out a bit generic because there wasn't much to work with in the first place. So in this cover, I mean, the lyrics are there. The delivery isn't anything special but at least it's not some singer-songwriter with an acoustic guitar. It's something a little different.

And it actually wasn't emo. MCR does lean that way with many of their songs, but this cover didn't have any of that. I'd call it punk. It was, as some have said, quite Sex Pistols-esque.

 

[spida-man]

I actually thought that was pretty solid. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. It's not gonna win a Grammy but I dug it.

I mean let's be honest, "Desolation Row" is not, musically speaking, particularly sophisticated. It's the lyrics and the delivery that are genius; the actual song is just 7 minutes of the same four chords over and over. Covering that song is bound to turn out a bit generic because there wasn't much to work with in the first place. So in this cover, I mean, the lyrics are there. The delivery isn't anything special but at least it's not some singer-songwriter with an acoustic guitar. It's something a little different.

And it actually wasn't emo. MCR does lean that way with many of their songs, but this cover didn't have any of that. I'd call it punk. It was, as some have said, quite Sex Pistols-esque.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Anyone else laughed when they showed the guy jumping in slo-mo? t:

 

[Motown Marvel]

I actually thought that was pretty solid. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. It's not gonna win a Grammy but I dug it.

I mean let's be honest, "Desolation Row" is not, musically speaking, particularly sophisticated. It's the lyrics and the delivery that are genius; the actual song is just 7 minutes of the same four chords over and over. Covering that song is bound to turn out a bit generic because there wasn't much to work with in the first place. So in this cover, I mean, the lyrics are there. The delivery isn't anything special but at least it's not some singer-songwriter with an acoustic guitar. It's something a little different.

And it actually wasn't emo. MCR does lean that way with many of their songs, but this cover didn't have any of that. I'd call it punk. It was, as some have said, quite Sex Pistols-esque.

its true, that dylan's desolation row is sold on its delivery of the lyrics backed by a simple guitar riff. and thats one of MCR's failing points, the delivery is nothing special. and with that being so integral to the song, it fails. and not to mention, a better guitarist in a better band would have sold the music better.

 

[Steelsheen]

for reference, here's Bob Dylan's original version of Desolation Row:
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/desolation-row

and then MCR's version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RenHNO19XKs


having read the Watchmen comic and being a kid of the 80's i completely understand the style MCR took with their version of Desolation Row. however to me it feels that Bob Dylan's version was more apt for the story. sure it was more folksy and was a far cry from the punk-rock sounds that permeated the 80s sound waves, but theres something classic about this song that fits perfectly to the timelessness of Watchmen's storytelling. if Snyder selected this song and made it punk-rock to bring the 80s back to life then he missed his target. he would've been better off selecting an actual 80's song and played that for the end credits.

here's what i'm wishing for though-- that once theres more footage of Watchmen around that someone makes a music video for it with Dylan's original song playing. that would be the best .

 

[Mercurius]

And it actually wasn't emo. MCR does lean that way with many of their songs, but this cover didn't have any of that. I'd call it punk. It was, as some have said, quite Sex Pistols-esque.

Totally emo. You see, being punk is not just posing as punk.

Sex Pistols? Ouch! Nope. Not even close.

And "Desolation Row" has a meaning connected with what was culturally important then.

The repetition of the same scheme throughout the song is tightly linked to the name of the song, that particular substantive "desolation".

The two most important modernist poets in English language, the parade of a symbolical ruin of culture are at the heart of the matter.

The video, the performance and the utter lack of any character of MCR are what any musical expert would call "failure", and "complete mistake", because it means that, to call MCR to do it, one MUST be downright incapable of understanding the song, and what it stands for.

 

[LifeisNoCheese]

Totally emo. You see, being punk is not just posing as punk.

Sex Pistols? Ouch! Nope. Not even close.

And "Desolation Row" has a meaning connected with what was culturally important then.

The repetition of the same scheme throughout the song is tightly linked to the name of the song, that particular substantive "desolation".

The two most important modernist poets in English language, the parade of a symbolical ruin of culture are at the heart of the matter.

The video, the performance and the utter lack of any character of MCR are what any musical expert would call "failure", and "complete mistake", because it means that, to call MCR to do it, one MUST be downright incapable of understanding the song, and what it stands for.

So your point is that Snyder "MUST be downright incapable of understanding the song, and what it stands for"?

 

[Mercurius]

So your point is that Snyder "MUST be downright incapable of understanding the song, and what it stands for"?

No, in fact, I think Snyder is smart.

He knows the cover is crap, he knows the poser band is crap, but he knows they can add to the teen and regular young moviegoer awareness to the movie.

His efforts (taking the complex articulation of the squid off the story, for instance, the tight runtime) were to make the movie plausible to people who do not want to understand things. People who just want some fun.

THAT'S my point.

PS: it isn't my kind of smart.

I prefer the elegant way Nolan keeps that trash out of his iconic movie, but Snyder chose, as to music, the ugly path taken by Sam Raimi in Spider flicks.

 

[Motown Marvel]

No, in fact, I think Snyder is smart.

He knows the cover is crap, he knows the poser band is crap, but he knows they can add to the teen and regular young moviegoer awareness to the movie.

His efforts (taking the complex articulation of the squid off the story, for instance, the tight runtime) were to make the movie plausible to people who do not want to understand things. People who just want some fun.

THAT'S my point.

PS: it isn't my kind of smart.

I prefer the elegant way Nolan keeps that trash out of his iconic movie, but Snyder chose, as to music, the ugly path taken by Sam Raimi in Spider flicks.

you really think snyder would be so eager to sell out the integrity of the film?

frankly, in my opinion, snyder is a good film maker who just happens to have a crap taste in music.

 

[Mercurius]

you really think snyder would be so eager to sell out the integrity of the film?

frankly, in my opinion, snyder is a good film maker who just happens to have a crap taste in music.

I don't think he sees it as selling the integrity of the film. He may see it as an opportunity to create awareness.

It's the video and the end titles. He may imagine: "what the heck! I can prove these execs that Watchmen can be a success, and I will."

But the hypothesis of crappy musical taste is very likely, anyway.

 

[I Am The Knight]

No, in fact, I think Snyder is smart.

He knows the cover is crap, he knows the poser band is crap, but he knows they can add to the teen and regular young moviegoer awareness to the movie.

Snyder has said he is a big fan of MCR. That's why they are involved with Watchmen. But that does not cancel out your reasoning as for their inclusion, as their involvement is likely to atract a certain demographic, and I'm sure the studio is happy with that. I'll just have to try to ignore it, eh?

 

[Mercurius]

Snyder has said he is a big fan of MCR. That's why they are involved with Watchmen. But that does not cancel out your reasoning as for their inclusion, as their involvement is likely to atract a certain demographic, and I'm sure the studio is happy with that. I'll just have to try to ignore it, eh?

I'll do my best. t:

 

[Motown Marvel]

I don't think he sees it as selling the integrity of the film. He may see it as an opportunity to create awareness.

It's the video and the end titles. He may imagine: "what the heck! I can prove these execs that Watchmen can be a success, and I will."

But the hypothesis of crappy musical taste is very likely, anyway.

it sells out the integrity when he includes what he knows is crap. whether its the end titles or not.

fankly, i disagree that he thinks the band and cover is crap. i think he genuinely likes them and thinks their inclusion is a good idea.

 

[CrimsonMist]

No, in fact, I think Snyder is smart.

He knows the cover is crap, he knows the poser band is crap, but he knows they can add to the teen and regular young moviegoer awareness to the movie.

His efforts (taking the complex articulation of the squid off the story, for instance, the tight runtime) were to make the movie plausible to people who do not want to understand things. People who just want some fun.

THAT'S my point.

PS: it isn't my kind of smart.

I prefer the elegant way Nolan keeps that trash out of his iconic movie, but Snyder chose, as to music, the ugly path taken by Sam Raimi in Spider flicks.

Kinda disagree.

Snyder is a fan of a pretty popular band. He knows that alot of people like the same band. Get that band involved with the movie he's making, and bang! People show up, like you said.

Disagree about the lack of complexity, but that's been discussed to death elsewhere.

and i'd say Snyder is FAR from taking the Sam Raimi musical path. The MCR song is just the one song. Everything else(save the music in the trailers, but i still love the Muse song) is appropriate for the soundtrack. The MCR song will stand out, but atleast Snyder didn't go ask Dashboard Confessional to contribute an original song. And Snyder could definitely have asked Nickleback to contribute too.

Thank god that that didn't happen.

It's one bad song on a soundtrack of good ones.

 

[Mercurius]

Kinda disagree.

Snyder is a fan of a pretty popular band. He knows that alot of people like the same band. Get that band involved with the movie he's making, and bang! People show up, like you said.

Disagree about the lack of complexity, but that's been discussed to death elsewhere.

and i'd say Snyder is FAR from taking the Sam Raimi musical path. The MCR song is just the one song. Everything else(save the music in the trailers, but i still love the Muse song) is appropriate for the soundtrack. The MCR song will stand out, but atleast Snyder didn't go ask Dashboard Confessional to contribute an original song. And Snyder could definitely have asked Nickleback to contribute too.

Thank god that that didn't happen.

It's one bad song on a soundtrack of good ones.

Yeah, like Motown Marvel has said, it's more likely that he has that bad musical taste, that is so good for demographics.

I think you're both right.

Muse is another mistake: Moore would have hypothetically gone for the source, i.e., Radiohead, and not some second hand band.

That's really bad because what Moore thought for Watchmen as to songs was really really great smart stuff, like the references to Devo and Dylan, for instance.

To make it Muse + MCR is almost offensive (to the ears t in comparison. That can be good marketing, but is bad music.

 

[The Guard]

It is what it is. A semi punk cover of Desolation Row. It was never going to be Dylan's version, so expecting it to sound like it would seem silly. That said, while I'm sure some don't care for this, I'm sure there are people who don't care for Dylan's version, too.

It's a cover of a song for the end credits. I wouldn't want to hear Dylan's version of the song during the end credits either, actually. Given the choice, I'd rather hear something dark and somber and orchestral to hammer home what happens at the end of the movie.

 

[In2Minds]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i've just heard both versions dylans would suit so much better, MCR are ****, if this song is played directly after the final line i will be pissed, oh zack i think you'd better prepare for a lyching. shame really

 

[luke1234]

i am so utterly dissapointed at this decision. Yes we get it MCR is a fan of the graphic novel but this song represents the trash of our pop (punk) culture music. God its just horrible. A complete turnoff for me. I usually stay through the credits of awesome movies, and after hearing this song im gonna have to run out of the movie theater ahhaha.

 

[LifeisNoCheese]

Kinda disagree.

Snyder is a fan of a pretty popular band. He knows that alot of people like the same band. Get that band involved with the movie he's making, and bang! People show up, like you said.

Disagree about the lack of complexity, but that's been discussed to death elsewhere.

and i'd say Snyder is FAR from taking the Sam Raimi musical path. The MCR song is just the one song. Everything else(save the music in the trailers, but i still love the Muse song) is appropriate for the soundtrack. The MCR song will stand out, but atleast Snyder didn't go ask Dashboard Confessional to contribute an original song. And Snyder could definitely have asked Nickleback to contribute too.

Thank god that that didn't happen.

It's one bad song on a soundtrack of good ones.

I agree. MCR might not be the best, but they certainly aren't the worst. When it's all said and done, the movie will be fine. It was never going to be perfect, unless WB wanted to take a loss at the box office.

 

[Steelsheen]

you really think snyder would be so eager to sell out the integrity of the film?

frankly, in my opinion, snyder is a good film maker who just happens to have a crap taste in music.

or perhaps it wasnt as good as he thought it would turn out to be. not bad enough not to be included, but didnt quite hit the target, so to speak.

It is what it is. A semi punk cover of Desolation Row. It was never going to be Dylan's version, so expecting it to sound like it would seem silly. That said, while I'm sure some don't care for this, I'm sure there are people who don't care for Dylan's version, too.

It's a cover of a song for the end credits. I wouldn't want to hear Dylan's version of the song during the end credits either, actually. Given the choice, I'd rather hear something dark and somber and orchestral to hammer home what happens at the end of the movie.

agreed. or if we must go for something more contemporary, something similarly slow-ish/ somber like what was done for in the trailers. that was pretty good (to me anyway), its somber yet contemporary enough for the modern audience

 

[Mercurius]

I agree. MCR might not be the best, but they certainly aren't the worst. When it's all said and done, the movie will be fine. It was never going to be perfect, unless WB wanted to take a loss at the box office.

Quite revealing this kind of opinion, huh?

With Watchmen, either it is perfect, or it is simply out of focus. The "not the worst" doesn't cut it.

 

[luke1234]

or perhaps it wasnt as good as he thought it would turn out to be. not bad enough not to be included, but didnt quite hit the target, so to speak.





agreed. or if we must go for something more contemporary, something similarly slow-ish/ somber like what was done for in the trailers. that was pretty good (to me anyway), its somber yet contemporary enough for the modern audience

yeah i wouldnt mind them putting the beginning is the end of the beginning or whatever the hell that song is called. Its a lot better then this garbage and it captures the overall mood of the movie. Thats why the teaser was so effective.