The Avengers We need all the Avengers from FOX/SONY/etc...!

[spanish39]

I have started a Facebook page in the seemingly hopeless effort to raise awareness to voice comic fans plea to FOX, SONY, and NEW LINE to give back to MARVEL (Disney) the Intellectual Property (IP) rights in order to have back their identity.

If you'd like to join and add to the hopefully growing number, please do so. I will update any news regarding this issue at it occurs as well.

COME JOIN US!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Demand-FoxSony-revert-comic-IP-film-rights-to-Marvel-Studios/124502397634354?sk=wall

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

...they won't. Not yet, at least.

 

[spanish39]

I know they won't yet...but one day, if we all make enough noise and create ridiculous pressure...just maybe they might.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I know they won't yet...but one day, if we all make enough noise and create ridiculous pressure...just maybe they might.

Well, hopefully. Good luck with your efforts.

Which Avenger goes New Line own?

 

[Silvermoth]

eh, I ain't even bovvered by it to be honest. It's a shame we can't have Wanda but I'll get over it. It can be done with Marvel owned characters only.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Well, hopefully. Good luck with your efforts.

Which Avenger goes New Line own?

I don't think New Line owns anyone anymore except maybe Blade, but I think it's been long enough that Marvel has his rights now too.

I doubt we'll see the X-Men/Spidey/FF/DD characters back at Marvel until Marvel itself decides to reboot the MCU.

 

[bored]

The other companies won't give them back as long as they can make lots of money off of them.

 

[BrlntDsgse]

I WISH this could happen, but alas, it won't. You MIGHT see FF revert back to Marvel, since FOX'S deadline to get another one rolling is steadily approaching, but they still have time to churn out another lackluster one at the last minute. DD I believe they're already working on so that's a lost cause for now. And X-Men? Sadly that franchise is never gonna be under the Marvel Studios umbrella unless Disney coughs up a ludicrous amount of money, which they won't. Same thing w/ Spidey over at Sony. Though I hope that Marvel & Sony might reach some kinda deal where Marvel can use the ol' Webhead here & there in crossovers in exchange for a share of the profits.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

There's speculation that some time in the not so distant future, Sony pictures will go bankrupt which will leave the rights to Spider-Man open. However, this is only speculation it's more than likely Spidey will remain at Sony for a while longer. As long as we get good Spider-Man films like the previous trilogy, I'm happy.

 

[kaijunexus]

Indeed, it's unfortunate that Fox seems to be pursuing another Daredevil film, but we haven't heard anything about the Fantastic Four in a long time. The FF would be a more worthwhile inclusion in the MCU anyway.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

FF:ROTSS was 2007 which is 4 years ago. Elektra was 2005, 6 years ago and they are in no hurry to produce the new DD movie. (they have a director and a writer attached but that's all very early pre-production)
So we might have to wait at least two more years before Marvel MIGHT get the rights to FF back. Which is a shame, because I really want to see Ben Grimm and Victor done MCU style!

 

[Aztec]

Here's a list of studios that have Marvel characters:

Fox- X-Men, Daredevil, Fantastic Four
Sony- Spiderman, Ghost Rider
Warner Bros.- Blade

Right off the bat you can forget about the X-Men and Spiderman. Marvel won't be seeing these properties for a long, long, long, long time...if ever. There's just too much to be mined here and they are too popular. This is particularly true with the X-Men which has so many built in spin-off franchises available like Wolverine and Deadpool.

Ghost Rider has a sequel coming out (which like the first one will likely suck balls) so it will remain in Sony's hands for at least 5-7 more years. If the sequel flops then it will almost certainly return; if it's a success Sony will milk the franchise dry.

Daredevil and the Fantastic Four are both distinct possibilities to return to Marvel/Disney. There hasn't been a DD movie since 2005 and a film needs to be in production by some point in 2012 for them to keep the franchise. FF hasn't been in theaters since 2007, so they probably have a few more years.

Blade has a very real chance of going back to Marvel/Disney. The last NL/WB Blade release was the series which ended in 2006. The only thing that could be a problem here is that vampires (thanks to True Blood and Twilight) are very in vogue right now. Add a little superhero to that equation and WB may want to hang on to this one.

So there you have it. No amount of letter writing or petition signing is going to change things one iota. What it comes down to is can studios make money off of these properties in the time they have allotted? If the answer is "yes" then they will milk the franchises for all they are worth. If the answer is "no" then the properties will return to Marvel/Disney.

Take solace in knowing that the first TRULY "in-house" Marvel film will be The Avengers in 2012 (since Marvel Studios will be producing it and their parent company Disney's Buena Vista Studios will be distributing it). It will hopefully be the first of many.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I don't think WB cares about Blade anymore. I'd like to see Marvel do a new Blade set in the MCU, perhaps as a start for non-Avenger MCU movies.

 

[spanish39]

Eventually these movies will no longer make money if they gain a reputation of being crap. Look at LIONSGATE and Punisher, that IP on film is exhausted and LIONSGATE knew it. They got better money for giving it up then to pump more money into a crap sequel. FOX and SONY may soon find the same problems. Why keep throwing good money after bad and having a worse result each time?

 

[AnorexicBatman]

There needs to be a law that says the original owner of a property can take it back after a set number of years regardless of contract clauses. But then that would screw us over with the Siegel & Schuster case.

 

[Aztec]

I don't think WB cares about Blade anymore. I'd like to see Marvel do a new Blade set in the MCU, perhaps as a start for non-Avenger MCU movies.

Don't undersestimate the power of gamesmanship. WB and Disney are, and have been, direct competition for many years. To heighten this rivalry WB owns DC and Disney owns Marvel. I'm sure WB would like nothing more than to screw over Disney by holding one of their characters hostage.

 

[Aztec]

There needs to be a law that says the original owner of a property can take it back after a set number of years regardless of contract clauses. But then that would screw us over with the Siegel & Schuster case.

Even when the original owner voluntarily sold the IP rights to the third party? If that were the case then what good are contracts? At the time Marvel was strapped for cash so they had a wholesale on their major characters. Their character's films turned out to be more successful then they could have imagined and now they are stuck in this situation. The Disney buy out just didn't come soon enough for Marvel; like it did DC and WB (who owns all of the DC properties without exception).

Spanish39
A letter/petition signing campaign will not effect these other studios in the slightest. The only thing that will work for these studios to surrender these IP rights would be for people to not go see these movies. I just don't know if there's enough people who care to organize a successful boycott.

 

[irapogi]

I want an MCU Doom! Maan, he's one villain that it'd take a whole team of teams to defeat.

 

[Raiden]

I have started a Facebook page in the seemingly hopeless effort to raise awareness to voice comic fans plea to FOX, SONY, and NEW LINE to give back to MARVEL (Disney) the Intellectual Property (IP) rights in order to have back their identity.

If you'd like to join and add to the hopefully growing number, please do so. I will update any news regarding this issue at it occurs as well.

COME JOIN US!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Demand-FoxSony-revert-comic-IP-film-rights-to-Marvel-Studios/124502397634354?sk=wall

As much as I believe in your cause, you have to realize that even the collective experience & reputation of Disney's high-powered attorney cannot find a loophole that would force both Sony & Fox to give back their Marvel rights, so there is no hope to get any of the rights back. The only way is for these two movie studios to let the rights lapse without making a movie about it, or put it in some development for film adaptation, and as we have seen thus far, both Sony & Fox are willing to go to the extra miles to make sure this won't happen.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah i wish this could work, but it cant. I also believe there's some legal bulls**t in the wording of the contracts that as long as the studios are in any way working on a film related to these properties, they get to keep the rights (ie. Daredevil having a script and a director means no DD for Marvel anytime soon.) They may only need to hire a director for an FF movie that never happens to keep 'em. And Spidey and X-Men, I'm afraid, are stuck where they are. Which is fine for spidey, but damn, would I like to see a more faithful X-film.

 

[Reikowolf]

Disney will wait until the contract is up and get their property back. Best lawyers in the world after all.

I see a lot of television shows in Marvel's future.

I always pictured X-men as a live action series

 

[Spider-Vader]

Don't undersestimate the power of gamesmanship. WB and Disney are, and have been, direct competition for many years. To heighten this rivalry WB owns DC and Disney owns Marvel. I'm sure WB would like nothing more than to screw over Disney by holding one of their characters hostage.

I could understand if it was Spidey, X-Men or even someone like Iron Fist, but Blade? I don't see WB caring about Blade all that much, honestly I sort of doubt Marvel would rush out to get a new Blade movie made, even if they owned the rights. What I said earlier, was just wishful thinking.

 

[cherokeesam]

There hasn't been a DD movie since 2005 and a film needs to be in production by some point in 2012 for them to keep the franchise.

Actually, a DD sequel is currently very much in development at Fox, as the pages here at SHH and elsewhere have been diligently reporting in recent weeks.

As to the question of needing "all the Avengers" from Fox/Sony/etc:

...who, exactly, are we looking for here? Beast is the only "outsourced" hero owned by another studio who actually had any kind of legitimate stake in the classic Avengers series. And let's not start getting into New Avengers/ Mighty Avengers/ Secret Avengers etc just yet --- that takes a whole Disassembly and Civil War to get through before you start seeing the likes of icons like Spidey, Wolverine and Ben Grimm throwing in with one of the Avenger factions these days.

The *only* concern I have regarding important Avengers possibly being owned by other studios revolves around the Maximoffs. No one has officially ever stated whether Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver belong to Fox for the Magneto/X-Men connection, or to Marvel Studios for the Avengers connection. But, since Fox has given no indication of introducing either character yet in their decade-long stint with the X-properties, I'm going out on a limb and assuming that Fox doesn't have those two cards in their deck.

 

[Avenger]

Yeah, it seems to me like Marvel has all the characters who are really intrinsic to the Avengers already under their control. I'm perfectly fine with Spider-Man and the X-Men being off in their own film universes.

As for the status of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, I think it all depends on the books in which they first appeared. Though if the plot rumors for The Avengers are to be believed, wouldn't the Skrulls be under Fox's control? The Skrulls first appeared in The Fantastic Four, IIRC. So maybe I'm wrong.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Yeah, it seems to me like Marvel has all the characters who are really intrinsic to the Avengers already under their control. I'm perfectly fine with Spider-Man and the X-Men being off in their own film universes.

As for the status of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, I think it all depends on the books in which they first appeared. Though if the plot rumors for The Avengers are to be believed, wouldn't the Skrulls be under Fox's control? The Skrulls first appeared in The Fantastic Four, IIRC. So maybe I'm wrong.

The Superskrull is definatly under Fox's control, the Skrulls themselves are not.
Wand and Pietro are as far as I know also under Fox's control. There was a Feige interview where he basically confirmed this a couple of months ago.
I don't think that the first appearance in comic books is any indication where the character belongs to. Best example would be the Kingpin. He started as a Spidey villain, but Sony hadn't the rights to use him, instead Fox had.