World Web shooter shop class - Part 1

[peterwebbedhead]

Aw, that stinks. What is a ballast disk? Sorry, I'm still learning this stuff.

Well its the main part for installing all the mechanics and gears.

 

[peterwebbedhead]

I don't have a problem with spider silk, but it has to be a fluid or a crystal to be fired from the web shooter. Firing solid materials will be difficult to say the least. It's worth a shot though. If you ever have success, let me know.

Could you tell what happened since I was gone and can you explain the spinnerete thing.

 

[White_widow]

Other than the spinneret, what do you need to know?

A spinneret is a disk with holes. The polymer solution is forced through these holes, aligning the molecules and increasing it's crystalline structure. When heated, it increases it's ability to crystallize. To spin them, you have to connect a turbine or make a gear into a spinneret.

There are various spinning methods. For example, the method called electrospinning requires needles instead of just a straight disk.

 

[infinitecrator0]

im new to this website but have been following all these post for a while now i have an idea tell me if it would work... so you have one of those pesticide sprayer tanks backpacks and you hade the hose connector hooked up to a solenoid valve that then whent to a connecter that split the line in two and on each arm you would have a small momentary switch that activated the solenoid and opened...and the switch also activate another solenoid that opened and let the air from a co2 canister escape and runto small tube near the nozzle on each hand.... and you had a spinneret gear in front of the nozzle that was power by a small motor on each hand that was activated by another small momentary switch on each handso when you hit the two buttons the whole thing would actvate and shoot a web oh and of course the tank would be filled with the web fluid

 

[infinitecrator0]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=385775&page=28

i saw the bottom image and i think this is a great idea but...how would you propell the string? and make it grip because i found some kevlar thread that holds 200 pounds a strand

 

[peterwebbedhead]

Other than the spinneret, what do you need to know?

A spinneret is a disk with holes. The polymer solution is forced through these holes, aligning the molecules and increasing it's crystalline structure. When heated, it increases it's ability to crystallize. To spin them, you have to connect a turbine or make a gear into a spinneret.

There are various spinning methods. For example, the method called electrospinning requires needles instead of just a straight disk.

Could you explain the electro spinning?Also could the metal disk that Peter was holding with holes in it during The Amazing Spiderman trailer 2 but was cut off from the movie(maybe they will include the deleted scenes when the blu ray comes out)is what you're talking about?

 

[S1ru5]

Dude, we couldn't swing on this.
Yes, I, too, wanted to swing on my webs at some point. The closest we can get to a swinging shooter is the parkour shooter, which as I understand it, just provides a slight ballast or handhold to climb up a building.
Given the strength of a human tendon and the speed you would fall, your tendons would rip or your arms would come out of their sockets if you jumped off a building and tried to swing. Plus, it takes a really strong guy to hold themselves up and swing when hanging onto a line. I know White_Widow said this before, but I would like to re-iterate it.
NO ONE SHOULD SWING ON THIS WEB. IF YOU WANT TO SWING, TRY THE GRAPPLING GUN.
Nothing solidifies instantly; when you get down to it, it takes some time. The real problem is getting it out of the shooter without it drying, like you said before, and having it retain strength for an extended period of time.
I think I'd rather just have the web for detaining an enemy... plus, it would take an utterly large amount of pressurization to get a full web line, and it wouldn't work more than once or twice without re-pressurization or changing of a cartridge.
After reading "Spider-Man Noir", I noticed he never swings, and he gets along fine. I'd rather have webs like his, to just be a kind of long net to stop people from firing guns or to stick on them. So, that's what I'm going to do. I am making mine as a net.

Also, for those of you who think you can use a spinning spineret device, I realized something... if you are using a motor with a gear, and the same gear teeth on the outside of the spinneret, that may not work. The spinneret would have to have a secondary axis within the tubing leading to the spinneret... however, I would rather not make my tube coaxial, in case some web sticks to the middle axis and clogs the shooter.

On another note, my first prototype is under construction. It will just splatter, right now... it has no spinneret device.

I just revised my plans, what if we had a grappling hook on on side and the shooter on the other, sure it would be clunky, but who cares? it gets the job done.

 

[infinitecrator0]

I just revised my plans, what if we had a grappling hook on on side and the shooter on the other, sure it would be clunky, but who cares? it gets the job done.

i really like this idea but i want a way of propelling the hook tha is small and compact

 

[S1ru5]

i really like this idea but i want a way of propelling the hook that is small and compact

my grappling hook is on the back of the arm with about 40 feet of cable, my design for propelling is a sharp metal barb that fits into a pump about 4 inches long and one inch thick, the propelling shooter isn't that big of problem, the problem is where to wrap up all the cable, ntm i have to properly figure out a way to retract it, I'm thinking it might be too big for my shooter, but I'm not sure. It would be difficult to achieve without alot of money. And sixteen year olds like me don't have much of that.

By the way, do we have anyone out there who is wanting to sort of protect their city as a spider-man type vigilante with thier shooter? if so, that would be cool, and I'm not going to lie, i would enjoy that very much.(and have though about it hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe)

glad i got that out of my system.

 

[S1ru5]

Hey guys here my new designs for the web shooter/grappling hook http://deathsheaderik1.deviantart.com/art/New-web-shooter-grappling-hook-designs-315670253

 

[Right-Brain Man]

scroll to the bottom of this page. I think it will help you.
http://realwebtech.webs.com/theory
If you can find a steel cable that can support your weight, that's great. However, that doesn't make it suitable for swinging. The forces that will act on it will be your weight, speed, and length of the web, plus an additional gravitational force. It really depends on those variables, but you could be facing forces WELL over twice your weight.

I think you have a good idea with steel cables. Fishing line has been suggested before also. Maybe there is something on the market that can hold the weight and forces of swinging. I think the problem is the adhesive.

The adhesive would have to dry incredibly fast, but not before it hit the building.

Then theres the problem of surface area. If the web hit the target in a small surface area it might just peal right off like a sticker.

and if the adhesive did dry very fast, there would be a problem of having to have webs at a near constant length so they would have around the same time to dry in the air. otherwise a short web would still be too wet when it hits the target and it would slip right off or a long web would have too much time to dry and it would bounce right off of the target.

Basically, I believe we can make (or buy) materials to make a strong enough line to hold our weight, BUT, I don't think we'd be able to we can create an adhesive that will be able to support our weight.

Care to elaborate WW?

#1: That's why I said real spider silk. Not only is it strong enough to hold just about anyone in any situation with a .5mm thick strand, but it will soon be possible to mass produce it. You would only have to wait for final testings and stuff like that. You could test it with fishing line beforehand. However, as cool as swinging sounds, I've only said it as a joke. With good ideas and hard work, the shooter could surpass all expectations. However, we are not Spider-Man, and swinging would give you the Gwen Stacy effect... you know, just listen to White_widow.

#2: I think that we've said the net/orb web shape at the front would give more surface area and stability.

#3: Maybe we're going about the adhesive wrong. Maybe instead of tube glue, we should think tape. The adhesive on duck tape (the original name) is, I don't know exactly, but it looks to be never completely dry. You can hold it in the air forever, and it'll still be impossible to pull it off the wall. That gets rid of the issue of drying, and all we have to do is make it strong enough.

 

[spidey44]

The formula is based on pressure sensitive adhesive already and swinging wouldn't give you the gwen stacy effect because she was falling straight down.

 

[S1ru5]

Well, look at it this way, if you were able to swing, hypothetically, you would have to be trained in it, it seems that jumping around like that and THWIPING a wall would in fact have the same effect as WW said, it would rip your arms out of their sockets, but if we used the web for clever jumping, say using cranes and jumping from building to building, it might work. or this might happen...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlRDgIfSo3c

 

[spidey44]

By Gwen Stacy effect I thought you meant exactly what happened to her, like her neck injury.

 

[White_widow]

Yeah RBM, the adhesive is a blend of rubber and tackifying resins. It's the same effect you are describing.

To infinite crater: That's kind of what I'm working on right now, except instead of a bug tank it's a reinforced coke bottle, and instead of a motor, it's a heating system.

To Peterweb: That's an old school spinneret. The electrospinning is a method of making nano fibers by shocking the fluid into a jetstream. If done correctly, there should be a cone, and the fluid released would look like this:

Just note that the web strands are SMALL. They are very hard to see.


To Everyone: I just found a company that makes custom spinnerets designed for electrospinning.

http://www.electro-spinning.com/multi_spinnerets.html

For anyone who contacts wants to contact them, don't say "I'm making a web shooter." Say, "I'm making a small polymer extrusion device with semi-viscous gels. Could you help me with a spinneret that can work with Polyvinyl alcohol, neoprene , or cellulose acetate solutions?"

TO Everyone PT2: Anyone who wants to swing listen up. Go to a lake with one of those rope swings. Get a few more ropes on that tree. Give it a shot, if you do great, good for you, you can web swing. If you can't just leave it alone. Then once you do that, pray that whatever adhesive blend that you are using is strong enough to support you.

 

[S1ru5]

To Everyone: I just found a company that makes custom spinnerets designed for electrospinning.

http://www.electro-spinning.com/multi_spinnerets.html

For anyone who contacts wants to contact them, don't say "I'm making a web shooter." Say, "I'm making a small polymer extrusion device with semi-viscous gels. Could you help me with a spinneret that can work with Polyvinyl alcohol, neoprene , or cellulose acetate solutions?"

TO Everyone PT2: Anyone who wants to swing listen up. Go to a lake with one of those rope swings. Get a few more ropes on that tree. Give it a shot, if you do great, good for you, you can web swing. If you can't just leave it alone. Then once you do that, pray that whatever adhesive blend that you are using is strong enough to support you.

What is the polymer solution they are talking about WW?

also i can't find a price for these spinnerets

 

[Black_Widow]

Ok. I'm back. I was gone. But now I'm back!!!!!!!!! So, now that people have joined and contributed. Who has the most WORKING web shooter to date?!?!?!?!?!

 

[MSaleem]

Wow, this forums jumped back up. The polymer solution is
Cellulose acetate
Neoprene 60A
Polyvinyl Alcohol (pva)
Acetone
Water
Contact Cement.

As for WW
You said to select a part to build. I am gonna go with the web shooter.

It's good to be back

 

[Black_Widow]

So who has the best shooter?

 

[Oddo]

Hey everyone I am new, but have followed your progress for quite a while now and I was hoping to join and help out when I can. You guys seem to know a lot and would it be possible just to make a wrist webshooter that projects in burst or "ball shaped figures" that would stick to the target such as the scene where the new spidey pins that guy against the wall?

 

[S1ru5]

So who has the best shooter?

Mine isn't built yet, but i just got back from buying all of the parts.

it should be finished by next week

 

[Titan]

Hey all! New here =D
Have any of you considered, if you are going to make the actual suit, adding a coating of 'starlite' - find it in this link what it does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4nnLP--uTI
This could help if say, you had a web solution, you could keep it at a set temperature, to keep it liquid (use starlite around the container as it blocks temperature interfering with it) and either have a heater or cooler that heat or chills the solution as it leaves your spinner, making it solid and somewhat sticky, so that it can cling to objects, or be shot.

 

[Titan]

Starlite is also lightweight, may I add. It will also make the suit fireproof.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Starlite is also lightweight, may I add. It will also make the suit fireproof.

I'm not sure that will be possible, if it's as expensive as it should be... if it's cheap, and anyone can get it, then the AWE (Atomic Weapons Establishment) wouldn't use it, as someone could get it and analyze it, and thus find a weakness in our country's defenses...

 

[Wadaltmon]

For those of you doing the "tech shooters", as they have come to be called, there are some relatively low-voltage solenoids at Jameco electronics' website. You should check it out.