World Web shooter shop class - Part 3

[S.P.I.D.E.R]

Hey guys. I'll be working on my web shooter today (at last) and I am adamant that I will use cartridges. But I have one question: how would I mass produce a bunch of waterproof cartridges for next to nothing? Bearing in mind I want at least ten?

 

[Wadaltmon]

Hey guys. I'll be working on my web shooter today (at last) and I am adamant that I will use cartridges. But I have one question: how would I mass produce a bunch of waterproof cartridges for next to nothing? Bearing in mind I want at least ten?

What size are you looking to make?

 

[S.P.I.D.E.R]

Well, the biggest I have room for on my shooter would be 7x3cm, which would hold 50ml of fluid.

 

[S1ru5]

Sorry for my abrubt absence. I'm currently moving cities on my own and haven't had time to make any updates.

 

[Seafood]

Sorry for my abrubt absence. I'm currently moving cities on my own and haven't had time to make any updates.

From where to where?

 

[pllagunos]

Hi guys I have been out for a while with other projects and stuff.. but I'm back to see how the proyect is going on , can.someone tell what did I missed?

 

[White_widow13]

hey, this is white_widow. I'm back. My email account has been dashed, so I had to create a new account, but I'm here, and I have ideas.

 

[White_widow13]

You'll have to forgive me. I've been away for two years, so I'm a little behind as far as things go. so, I've been serving a two year mission for the mormon church. It was a lot of fun. I've been thinking about the web shooter a bit, and I think that there is two ways that we can do it:

1.)We can continue the current idea. We start with a pvc pressure vessel using the bag-on philosophy, a solenoid valve, and and a heated spinneret.

Or

2.) we can try to use a pump instead of a pressure vessel. and continue with the heating element.

If figure that both have advantages and weakness.

1.) strength: Greater pressure yield, advantage of being able to boil the water before it gets to the spinneret. disadvantage:Lowering values in pressure over time, less space efficiency, more dangerous.

2.) Strength: can literally use any container for fluid, consistent flow rate, and safe. Disadvantage, more electricity, lower pressure output.

I figure also that we need to organize ourselves better. We can't run without walking, and we can't do calculus without algebra. I've talked with chemical engineers and mechanical and electrical engineers since I left, and they told me that polyvinyl alcohol was the only fluid that was capable of such rapid spinning with those properties without more advanced chemical engineering. I suggest we go by the ladder principle. We don't work on one phase of the project until we've completed the first one and work in order. These steps are:

1.) learn how to create PvOH at home.

2.) create the spinneret and spin fibers with it.

3.) decide whether pump or pressure vessels are better, then test it.

4.) make portable.

5.) make a cyanoacrylate depositor.

So, If I do come on, I will use this format.


STEP 1: make PVOH at home.

Today I found out that the ingredients for Polyvinyl alcohol are BLANK and BLANK. I've bought some and start testing on friday.

That way, we can work off eachother's work instead of fighting the work before it begins.

 

[Wadaltmon]

You'll have to forgive me. I've been away for two years, so I'm a little behind as far as things go. so, I've been serving a two year mission for the mormon church. It was a lot of fun. I've been thinking about the web shooter a bit, and I think that there is two ways that we can do it:

1.)We can continue the current idea. We start with a pvc pressure vessel using the bag-on philosophy, a solenoid valve, and and a heated spinneret.

Or

2.) we can try to use a pump instead of a pressure vessel. and continue with the heating element.

If figure that both have advantages and weakness.

1.) strength: Greater pressure yield, advantage of being able to boil the water before it gets to the spinneret. disadvantage:Lowering values in pressure over time, less space efficiency, more dangerous.

2.) Strength: can literally use any container for fluid, consistent flow rate, and safe. Disadvantage, more electricity, lower pressure output.

I figure also that we need to organize ourselves better. We can't run without walking, and we can't do calculus without algebra. I've talked with chemical engineers and mechanical and electrical engineers since I left, and they told me that polyvinyl alcohol was the only fluid that was capable of such rapid spinning with those properties without more advanced chemical engineering. I suggest we go by the ladder principle. We don't work on one phase of the project until we've completed the first one and work in order. These steps are:

1.) learn how to create PvOH at home.

2.) create the spinneret and spin fibers with it.

3.) decide whether pump or pressure vessels are better, then test it.

4.) make portable.

5.) make a cyanoacrylate depositor.

So, If I do come on, I will use this format.


STEP 1: make PVOH at home.

Today I found out that the ingredients for Polyvinyl alcohol are BLANK and BLANK. I've bought some and start testing on friday.

That way, we can work off eachother's work instead of fighting the work before it begins.

Welcome back, man. Good to see you again!

EDIT: I've been testing some things with my shooter and found that the solenoid valve and heated spinner worked for me, though the "solidification complex" (as I've taken to calling it) is probably the hardest to solve. In one of my videos, I tried solving it, and did alright with it, but it still wasn't to my liking. Remember spirit gum? It seems like the most promising way for me to go at this point with the newest design I've come up with.

 

[S.P.I.D.E.R]

hey, this is white_widow. I'm back. My email account has been dashed, so I had to create a new account, but I'm here, and I have ideas.

Welcome back man!!!

p.s. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I could build about 20 tubular cartridges that are about 7x3cm (50ml). They needn't be comlicated, as I'll only be using them to store water. It also neees to be cheap as I'm on a low budget.
p.s.s. Nice to meet you Widow!!!

Kind regards, SPIDER

 

[Seafood]

Oh, My, ****ing, God. Well, Welcome Back I guess.
Imma Seafood, Nice to meet you WW.

 

[MSaleem]

Holy crap it's been two years since I've been on this forum and you guys are still at it . I guess I suddenly felt an interest and guilt that I had even left in the first place, so I came back to see what's up. What a coincidence that WhiteWidow's back too
Anyway, I'm looking to come back and stay dedicated to this project and I hope I may be of somewhat assistance to you all.
Am I welcomed back?

-Sal

(PS: Would it be rude for me to ask for a somewhat short recap of the current design? Thanks)

EDIT:
@White-Widow13 - Nice to see you again too
@Wadaltmon - Not sure how catching up 2 years worth of work is going to work, but I'll try. Anyone willing to give me a short recap on where we are right now? Awesome to see your still here as well by the way!

Also btw, what are the current functioning websites we are using? Sorry I'm bombarding everyone with questions.

 

[White_widow13]

Sure! Welcome back sal! Nice to see yah.

 

[Wadaltmon]

There is quite a bit to catch up on, I'd imagine.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Also, for those of you who haven't checked it out, make sure to check out the Web shooter IRC: chatzy.com/77444938461877

 

[BUTTONSPAM4DAYZ]

No I did not actually would you like explaining?

 

[BUTTONSPAM4DAYZ]

nevermind

 

[Elxiah]

sal and widow returning around the same time? thats a crazy cooincidence. I remember reading his posts from the early days (I used to just read instead of posting. I officially joined 2 years back, right after you left)

 

[Elxiah]

I myself built a web shooter in the shape of a gun. In the handle was a reloadable cartridge, which was a small aerosal bottle filled with the web fluid of choice. On the end was a simple heating coil so solidify the web. Unfortunately, it was poorly made, and as a result I was only able to test it a few times (which it worked GREAT) before it broke. Plan on remaking it, and making a new model I created which might be wrist mounted. I don't have time though, since right now is a busy time for me.

 

[Elxiah]

My main inspiration for it was this thing:

 

[BUTTONSPAM4DAYZ]

I have a new idea what if there is two solenoid valves one for the web, and one for co2. You press a separate button for co2, the co2 tank is for after you shoot the web so you can detach it! Tell me what you think.

 

[S.P.I.D.E.R]

I have a new idea what if there is two solenoid valves one for the web, and one for co2. You press a separate button for co2, the co2 tank is for after you shoot the web so you can detach it! Tell me what you think.

The web would just detach itself as soon as you stop firing anyway, so you wouldn't need a co2 tank, at least not for that purpose anyway.

Also, anyone have any ideas for cheap cartridges?

 

[Wadaltmon]

The web would just detach itself as soon as you stop firing anyway, so you wouldn't need a co2 tank, at least not for that purpose anyway.

Also, anyone have any ideas for cheap cartridges?

Not necessarily. It could still be attached to the partially formed Web inside the shooter, unless you have certain types of spinnerets and/or use the shearing properties of the Web fluid.

And in terms of cheap cartridges, there is a section called "How-to" on Real Web Tech. Read the Pressure Vessel or Cartridges section of that.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Holy crap it's been two years since I've been on this forum and you guys are still at it . I guess I suddenly felt an interest and guilt that I had even left in the first place, so I came back to see what's up. What a coincidence that WhiteWidow's back too
Anyway, I'm looking to come back and stay dedicated to this project and I hope I may be of somewhat assistance to you all.
Am I welcomed back?

-Sal

(PS: Would it be rude for me to ask for a somewhat short recap of the current design? Thanks)

EDIT:
@White-Widow13 - Nice to see you again too
@Wadaltmon - Not sure how catching up 2 years worth of work is going to work, but I'll try. Anyone willing to give me a short recap on where we are right now? Awesome to see your still here as well by the way!

Also btw, what are the current functioning websites we are using? Sorry I'm bombarding everyone with questions.

Welcome back

There's no real specific place all of us are at note, considering most of us split off and made our own designs. I've been logging most of my progress on my YouTube channel since December of 2012.

 

[pllagunos]

You'll have to forgive me. I've been away for two years, so I'm a little behind as far as things go. so, I've been serving a two year mission for the mormon church. It was a lot of fun. I've been thinking about the web shooter a bit, and I think that there is two ways that we can do it:

1.)We can continue the current idea. We start with a pvc pressure vessel using the bag-on philosophy, a solenoid valve, and and a heated spinneret.

Or

2.) we can try to use a pump instead of a pressure vessel. and continue with the heating element.

If figure that both have advantages and weakness.

1.) strength: Greater pressure yield, advantage of being able to boil the water before it gets to the spinneret. disadvantage:Lowering values in pressure over time, less space efficiency, more dangerous.

2.) Strength: can literally use any container for fluid, consistent flow rate, and safe. Disadvantage, more electricity, lower pressure output.

I figure also that we need to organize ourselves better. We can't run without walking, and we can't do calculus without algebra. I've talked with chemical engineers and mechanical and electrical engineers since I left, and they told me that polyvinyl alcohol was the only fluid that was capable of such rapid spinning with those properties without more advanced chemical engineering. I suggest we go by the ladder principle. We don't work on one phase of the project until we've completed the first one and work in order. These steps are:

1.) learn how to create PvOH at home.

2.) create the spinneret and spin fibers with it.

3.) decide whether pump or pressure vessels are better, then test it.

4.) make portable.

5.) make a cyanoacrylate depositor.

So, If I do come on, I will use this format.


STEP 1: make PVOH at home.

Today I found out that the ingredients for Polyvinyl alcohol are BLANK and BLANK. I've bought some and start testing on friday.

That way, we can work off eachother's work instead of fighting the work before it begins.

Welcome back White widow!!! is a plessure to have you back.

I also have been thinking of changing the cellulose for Polyvinyl alcohol and I was locking if it was comercially available luckily I found something in Amazon, I will post the link for you guys so you decide if it will work.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HK9HT1W/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1407691688&sr=8-2