World Webbing formula

[Arachno-Man]

Wow, I kinda rocked that one out on a first try....lol @ White widow, Do you have a solid shooter design? if so, could you either e-mail it to me or post it in the shooter board. Another thing is, does the webbing like a strand? if so how much does it hold. I know you said no swingers, but i'm just curious. P.S, post on here when the author of the cracked.com thing e-mails you.

 

[Arachno-Man]

Thanks

 

[Arachno-Man]

So i'm just curious, i've been looking around fo a while. Where can you find the ingredients for White_widow's formula? And about how much could it cost, because we have to remember, Peter didn't do this with a million dollar budget.

 

[White_widow]

That really depends on the formula. I have about five of them (only one of them tested).

- I have a styrofoam/elmers one. It's not strong at all and there are no good chemical bonds that work for it. It's super sticky, and it looks like webbing though.

- The cellulose acetate formula was good at first but after checking it, it wasn't elastic. Plus it would be very expensive

-The iron/cyanoacylate/neoprene formula was very much experimental and wasn't solid enough.

The one that would work best (that a non-scientist could make) would probably be the polyvinyl alcohol formula. That only works with graphene and cyanoacrylate, but it works.

-Finally, the best formula so far (in my opinion) is the nano-cellulose formula. This is because it contains every single property in the comics. Until NC hits the market though, we would be stuck on that.

I had a new theory on a formula, but even in my head it's not well developed. There is a glue that is excreted by a bacteria that is composed of sugar, and yet it is stickier than cyanoacrylate. Sugar also creates long strings when agitated in a thick liquid. Graphene and nanotubes have both been made from sugar too. So sugar is the ideal base, but unfortunately, I don't know how to chemically modify it that much.

 

[Arachno-Man]

hmmmmmm........good, so how strong is the polyvinyl alcohol formula? And where cold i find the chemicals to test them?

 

[White_widow]

The polyvinyl alcohol formula is composed of (roughly):

50% Polyvinyl alcohol (found in craft stores or online)
20% water (anywhere, though distilled water might work best)
5.5% graphene (experiment below)
5% Magnesium oxide (experiment below)
.5% surfactant (any soap should do. I prefer sodium lauryl sulfate but bubble soap could do.)
19% cyanoacrylate. (online is the only place to get it in the right quantity.

Graphene and magnesium oxide aren't easy to get..., at all. You're going to have to make it. For that you need dry ice blocks and magnesium. Put the magnesium on one block. Light it on fire, then put the other block on top. It will create a ball of graphene and magnesium oxide. It's too hard to seperate, but they both dissolve in water so, go figure.

I haven't quite figured out strength, but that is highly dependant on the ratio of ingredients.

 

[White_widow]

http://www.technologyreview.com/communications/20907/

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2012/gc/c2gc16302k

These two articles are kind of what makes me believe why I think the webbing formula is possible.

It's a material that is as strong as cast iron, becomes shear thickening when exposed to simple salts, can be made from wood pulp, is elastic, looks like webbing, and can be drawn like nylon. It's simple, it's natural, it's renewable, and It has to expand. As it expands, it gets stronger. The addition of graphene, a material stronger than kevlar and steel by a crazy amount will make it as strong as darwin's spider's webbing.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Have you tested the ponyvinyl alcohol formula yet?
(Ah, it's good to be back.)

 

[spidey44]

Sure does feel good, I can't wait to get back into this project.

 

[White_widow]

I haven't. The magnesium is quite expensive due to shipping costs. The thing is, every formula that we will devise is limited to the shooter that we create. I feel like we should focus on that first and foremost. Golly, I wish I had a lab.

 

[Arachno-Man]

Ha, white widow, you took the words right out of my mouth. The formula is quite pointless until we get a working shooter.

 

[White_widow]

Spidey 44 brings up a really good point. We need to find an adhesive that loses it's stickiness under pressure.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Well, we could create one that bonds with oxygen in order to become sticky. I also heard of a compound called Alkali Pyrogallol (don't quote me on that; I'm not as good at chemistry as I should be) which absorbs oxygen in the blood. Also, Iron Oxide absorbs oxygen. We could put it in the canisters with the fluid, and it would absorb the oxygen out...
Then when it comes out of the canister, it would bond with the oxygen in the air and become sticky.
Just something along those lines; though it would not work in an oxygen-free environment. But I don't know of a lot of ways to be in one of those.

 

[White_widow]

Ok, that was impressive. I hadn't considered that even in the slightest. The only problem I could see would be actually making this fluid in the first place, but it's a really good start.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm new to this thread but are you guys ACTUALLY making web fluid? and webshooters?

 

[spidey44]

Wadaltmon good idea, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[spidey44]

I've forgotten about this video i saw a few months ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR-9sP8ZavA&feature=related

It's calcium chloride and sodium alginate.

 

[spidey44]

Nevermind, that probably won't help/work.

 

[Wadaltmon]

I'm new to this thread but are you guys ACTUALLY making web fluid? and webshooters?

Yes, in the end, that's the idea.

 

[White_widow]

To Spideyfan: I'm more making a unique pepper spray shooter (that I can place my own unique concoctions in.) The fluid is a side interest. The potential is interesting.

To spidey44: I like that. It's pretty cool.

 

[White_widow]

Hey spidey44, thanks for that clip. There are so many fun clips. Anyway, everyone has asked how we were to get alot a fluid from a little cartridge. The only possible answer is if we were to compress and and expand. This is the expansion rate that I'm talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLSC-iGOOyc&feature=related

See, not alot of fluid, but tons of material. We would need an elastomer that is so strong that it could be stretched like that and still be able to take stress.

 

[White_widow]

Hey Spidey44 Thank you SO MUCH for showing me these clips. I think I just found a really cheap source of graphene. I'm not sure if it's graphene exactly, but it is a pure carbon desposit. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcDSngXldB0&feature=relmfu

 

[White_widow]

this is an interesting effect. The polymer polymerizes in contact with air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MljsHsKHWro&feature=related

 

[spidey44]

You're Welcome, Spangler's video's are awesome. Also thanks for the videos of the polymer, I was going to say that we could blend 2 fluids before shooting them out. It was going to be the nano cellulose and cyanoacrylate, and the other would be water to polymerize the cyanoacrylate.

 

[White_widow]

I did a test with cellulose and Cyanoacrylate. If you can ration this right, it became a paste that bonded instantly to anything it touched, Maybe nanocellulose fibers will change things up a bit and make it strong too.