World Webbing formula

[Symbiote-Man]

Oooooooo, so that is the way it fits! Perfect!

 

[spidey44]

What are you talking about?

 

[Symbiote-Man]

If you look at the previous page, you'll know.

 

[spidey44]

I still don't get it.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

If the anti adhesive is put with the adhesive, it will only be sticky when evaporated.

 

[JMA610]

Ok, so I know that I have not been on here in a while, but I have been doing my homework on this stuff. If you get an oxygen compression unit, which you can get at Home Depot I suppose, you can have a bike valve on the cartridge. Only PURE oxygen is combustable when pressurized. This is NOT pure oxygen that it compresses, so it is safe to use. The anti-adhesive is the solvent, acetone. When the formula is pushed out of the spinnerette at high pressure, say 300 psi, the solvent will evaporate upon exiting the spinnerette. Thus due to this rapid displacement of the anti-adhesive and exposure to the air at such high pressure and speed, it solidifies almost instantaneously. So a key to this formula is to have ingredients that's solvent is acetone, as this will make things less complicated.

 

[spidey44]

Thanks when I was thinking of some sort of silly string formula I had that in mind.

 

[spidey44]

I have a new formula
G------ glue
dish detergent
Acetone
and co2 for the propellant
If you find anything wrong with it let me know.

 

[White_widow]

I like it as a start, but the glue you're thinking of dries too slowly. Also. with that, there will be no structure to the webbing and the acetone will make it dry too slowly. You need something to strengthen it.

 

[spidey44]

ok I was thinking about what JMA610 was saying when I thought of this.

 

[JMA610]

Yah, it is a good start, but like WW said, there is no structure. All you would be doing is shooting out a viscous, flammable, and glue-ey substance. The styrofoam was a good example, but it was too weak. Boron is a good way to have crosslinks and reduce flammability. And you want to keep some kind of acetone based adhesives. Use WW's example from a few pages back. With pressure, it would dry quicker. Also, acetone might get frozen by the CO2, so I would use an air compressor.

 

[spidey44]

would a silly string formula atleast work/

 

[White_widow]

Silly string would make for a good prop.

 

[White_widow]

So I'm pretty much signing off of this forum. Hopefully, the next generation of Spidey fans will be able to complete this. I'm going to college this fall and I might be able to take both a welding course, and an adhesive/plastic creation class. If I end up having any breakthroughs, I'll let you guys know. Here's the basic thing that you need to create a good formula.

It needs a structure, a surfactant, water, and a glue.

The structure is some form of plastic/polymer. It is most likely a polyamide. A polyamide is a substance like nylon or kevlar. The main problem is being able to condense it as a liquid. For that to happen, one must use either a solvent, like acetone to convert the solid into a liquid. The most effective solvent would be one that subliminates and isn't an acid. Unfortunately, most polyamides are resistant to everything but acids. When it comes to Nylon, there is a process where you can turn two liquids into a solid nylon but it is weak, and the two chemicals are dangerous.

For me, I've found that I should use a plastic that will dissolve in a weak solvent, like acetone, that can be bonded to a crosslinking agent when the acetone dissolves. For me, I want to combine cellulose acetate with an oxygen crosslinking polyurethane.

There is another ingredient with oxygen ending points. It is incredibly difficult to generate without the use of an industrial solvent. I guess, since this might be my last message here, I might as well tell you what it is. Graphene. Graphene is a substance devised from graphite powder when exposed to a dangerous acid. It is so strong that a stacked sheet would require hundreds of thousands of pounds per square inch to break it. Basically, by bonding several grams to the plastic, it can increase it's strength to beyond what a spider web is capable of. It is mostly in a matter of making it.

The surfactant and the water is for creating an expansion. If the polymer will harden (thanks to the polyurethane), and the graphene keeps it strength, then the web will be able to be held and a little fluid will produce much more matter, even if it is mostly foam.

Finally, the glue. The glue must be one that hardens instantly. I recommend cyanoacrylate in controlled portions as it is the only glue strong enough that hardens that quickly. The plastic might be destroyed by this so it is important to research that kind of thing. Luckily, the solvent should keep this in control, and in a liquid form so that it won't react until it has left the shooter. The glue has a strange property though. Less is more. If you use this glue, use less of it. A thin layer has shown to work thousands of pounds better than a glob of it. I don't have the time to explain this, but you can look it up. Add (I think) vinegar and salt to speed up the reaction once it leaves the shooter. I hear that orange juice also helps it, but that's a rumor.

So that's what my research has shown. I hope that you use this work well. If you have any questions, ask me via email instead of on this site. My name is Robert Ross, and my email is [email protected]

I hope you've enjoyed this site. Sayonara.

 

[spidey44]

See ya White Widow. I've thought about some of the stuff in your last message. You were a major help for me. and good luck in school. See ya!

 

[Symbiote-Man]

See ya White Widow, it was nice meeting you. Thank you for all the info!

 

[Symbiote-Man]

What if separate chemicals were held in separate cartridges, and the would be combined at the last minute?

 

[JMA610]

If you did that, you could theoretically have plastic and adhesive components in one cartridge, and something else in the other. If you had the fluid in both and had them spin into each other, it would have more expansion and a higher tensile strength. Good idea. one of my earlier designs was to have 2 capped PVC cartridges, both pressurized and with a spinneret at the top, and the trigger was split in 2, so you could shoot 2 strands at once out of just one shooter.

 

[Spectacular23]

I have an idea that sorta far fetch but it involve web shooters but with an almost unlimited supply of webbing. Now yeah i know we are suppose to just automatically say that most stuff we see in comic books and movies are not real. But the idea i have is when science comes into play. So i was recently reading ultimate spiderman comic the one where peter first get the black suit. From alot of research and studying how the suit work and the ultimate dimensions gameplay from shattered dimensions. Peter use part of the protoplasm to make "webs". Since the suit covers his whole body peter could easily make webs using his hands and fingers. So my idea was to based the web off this type of material. Although i'm having a little trouble so i will really appreciate the help. The basic idea is to create a substance. A type of Gooey substance dubbed "Smart webs". The basic idea is that these webs replenish itself through cell division. Thus creating more of the substance. I was gonna probably fused this substance with a hit of nanotechnology maybe? Nanobots inside the smart goo work together to strengthen and form web strands? Or instead of nanotechnology i can have the substance which is put in through a container. (Web shooter) Which the goo replenish itself steadily and can create massive amount of it self as long as it has a small electrical charge flowing through them they also won't over fill the web shooter itself so they keep a steady flow. The goo substance would be non-toxic and has incredible strength and can be very adhesive. My only trouble is what is the type of protoplasm is the comic books and other things symbiote referring too? I know it's not the same type of protoplasm that is found in a cell.... So which protoplasm is the referring to. This is the only problem i'm having right now. Maybe if i refer back to the comics and stuff i maybe able to figure it out. Please help me out a little and plz no smart comics like it can be done in a few hundred years or it not possible. I mean for pete sake we are trying to create web fluid and a web shooters so i'm pretty sure this is not that far-fetched

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Alright, now I am interested, Spectacular23, what do you have figured out? I don't know much about this, but I do like the idea and it could be done.

 

[Spectacular23]

Alright, now I am interested, Spectacular23, what do you have figured out? I don't know much about this, but I do like the idea and it could be done.

Okay symbiote-man, my idea is to make a synthetic protoplasmic substance. But the idea is to make it steadily replenish itself via self replication which as long as there a small electrical charge going through it the molecular structure of this synthetic protoplasmic goo will multiply rapidly. So this solve the issue of not running out or having to refill the web shooters. My only issue is making this synthetic material extremely adhesive. This is where nanotechnology come into place which allows the webs to have incredible bonding strength withing seconds. Also the nanotech in the webs after they have been discharged and channeled through the web shooter after an hour. The nanotech automatically looses it strength and breaks down and devours itself thus turning it into virtually nothing.

 

[JMA610]

So you basically want to make a symbiote suit, but have it actually be a goo? That could be another thread project. Feel free to, if this goes where I think it's going, to open up a thread to this. This is interesting stuff.

 

[Spectacular23]

So you basically want to make a symbiote suit, but have it actually be a goo? That could be another thread project. Feel free to, if this goes where I think it's going, to open up a thread to this. This is interesting stuff.

Yeah something similar to that but i was gonna use to goo to make almost an unlimited amount of webbing.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

That is exactly what the original suit does! Before taking over his mind, the suit covered his body, produced it's own webs, and made it's own clothing. Although making Peter's life easier, it made the comic book writers' life harder to make a good story, so they got rid of it, in the form of Venom. Then he wore a clothing version, which I think could have solved the problem, but instead, they had him burn the suit that I loved so much, and he wore the normal clothing suit.

Back to the point; you want it to produce it's own webs, you want what the symbiote suit had, minus the making clothing and covering your body thing. Just read my name, I'm an expert at this suit.

 

[Spectacular23]

That is exactly what the original suit does! Before taking over his mind, the suit covered his body, produced it's own webs, and made it's own clothing. Although making Peter's life easier, it made the comic book writers' life harder to make a good story, so they got rid of it, in the form of Venom. Then he wore a clothing version, which I think could have solved the problem, but instead, they had him burn the suit that I loved so much, and he wore the normal clothing suit.

Back to the point; you want it to produce it's own webs, you want what the symbiote suit had, minus the making clothing and covering your body thing. Just read my name, I'm an expert at this suit.

Haha okay. Yeah but that the only purpose of this symbiote or protoplasmic goo is to produce webbing only. I don't want it to be all symbiote like crawling around taking over people. I want it to create an unlimited source of webbing. Well symbiote man. From what you know of the symbiote, and from what i know from the comics (Especially the ultimate series) peter use the suit's protoplasm to produce webs. Exactly what i want to do. I probably want the webbing to be white or blue in color. But what do you know about the symbiote that could help me out here?