World Webbing formula

[Symbiote-Man]

Mostly I just know about a lot of the comics, I haven't researched what it would be in real life though. So really, I just like the suit enough to study the comics, not how it would work for real.

 

[Spectacular23]

Mostly I just know about a lot of the comics, I haven't researched what it would be in real life though. So really, I just like the suit enough to study the comics, not how it would work for real.

So tell me what you know. I'll see what i can use to incorporate it into the real thing. Reminder i'm not making the symbiote i just want to make a webbing formula, just like you guys.

 

[spidey44]

are you looking to make something like the symbiote? it could be web fluid with magnetic nanoparticles mixed in, and have a coil gun on your wrist shoot strands of it.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

If this thing is going to make itself bigger, why don't you try putting a little amount in cartridge, and when you run an electric current through it it rapidly expands! This is one on the ideas I thought Spider-Man 2012 was going to use for his shooters.

 

[spidey44]

is that possible, to make it expand with electricity?

 

[Symbiote-Man]

I wouldn't know. Just throwing out ideas.

 

[Spectacular23]

i'm very interested to see how the reboot spider-man web shooters will work. That's not a bad idea but i think my spidey will just have on glove/gauntlets that help regulate and expel this special webbing. The cartridges and all that stuff is a bit too much. In order to put this in scientific terms the webbing reproduce itself via self-replication. Like our bodies we have bio-electricity. Same thing with this special webbing. Pass a little current through it and it becomes alive. It reproduces on it own via nanotechnology. Also i might add a future for this smart webbing to be able to make weapons like constructs out of it's gauntlets out of the special webbing. Constructs that are seen frequently on the Amazing dimensions of the spiderman shattered dimensions.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Coooooooooool. I do not have enough knowledge about chemistry to make this happen, but good luck!

 

[Spectacular23]

ah it involves some complicate sciences but i can make it happen.

 

[spidey44]

Dang!!! I broke the aerosol valve compartment. New Idea.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Ooooooooo, I know where this is going, Spidey44!

 

[spidey44]

where is it going?

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Will you make an Aerosol-like release valve?

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Oh! Was that your old idea and it didn't work?

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Or third, I have no clue where this will go.

 

[spidey44]

the first two are right, I took it out of the can then trimmed the metal part it was held in then I did something and it flew apart because of the spring, but I'll use the Venturi effect this time.

 

[spidey44]

actually the second is most accurate, the first one was the original idea.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Now, just to be clear, this is formula, and the other forum is Shooters.

 

[Symbiote-Man]

Alright, I need test the web shooters. Unfortunately, I am knee deep in projects already... making a hovercraft, making an engine, making a Captain America costume for the movie release... I'll get back to you guys in a month, two months, tops. Until then, goodbye, and good luck!

 

[White_widow]

Hey guys! I'm BACK!!! Well at least a little. I won't be as obsessive with the site as I used to be. (and trust me I was.) So here's the situation. I have forgotten most of what I learned on this project. I can't understand my explanations for some of the device components, and I'm pretty sure that some of you are ahead of me on this project. Luckily however, I found my old notebook on this stuff. I relearned all I could on the web shooter, and I've scrapped the formula due to a flaw with it's structure. I hadn't considered reactivity with a few plastic components.

So that's the bad news. The good news however is that soon, I'll be much more prepared for this project. I will be taking a plastics/adhesives class where we will get to make our own glues and polymers. I am also taking a welding course, so soon I can make the shooter itself. Finally, I got a camera so that I can post pictures when I get them.

Now I want to bring up another material for the cuff.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qs_Z1koeMI...branded-01.jpg

I'm sure all of you have seen this picture. I'd like to thank MR. Aydin for showing me this and for getting me into this project again. The point of this is that the cuff can be made of any material as long as it can be connected to a piece that is sturdy enough for the cartridges.

I'm still going to pop in and out on this project but when I come forward with a break through, you'll know about it. This time, I think I can at least make a shooter.

 

[White_widow]

This is the old formula before the introduction of the graphene. This had two problems. The plastic component (cellulose acetate) had no reactive sites to allow the bond. There was too many bonds. This means that the formula would be brittle.

 

[White_widow]

Now the issue I have with the self replicating webbing. I think that it is very unlikely. The reason: Mitosis takes time. The cells dividing have to be cancer cells replicating so increadibly fast that they are visible in seconds. Second, there would have to be a retro-virus that administers spider Dna. That would kill and slow each cell. I like the thinking outside the box, but it would be harder than making an expandable fluid.

 

[White_widow]

So the formula I left on the 6th page is actually a pretty decent place to start.

Glue, plastic, carbon, surfactant, solvent

Glue: Has to be cyanoacrylate. Nothing bonds faster or stronger.
Plastic: This is debatable but it should be an elastomer and easily dissolved.
carbon: makes it stronger significantly when crosslinked.
surfactant: causes expansion. (it needs to harden like in gorilla glue or Ab foam.)
solvent: Acetone. It's the easiest, quickest drying, and keeps CA in liquid form.

 

[White_widow]

Ok, there are a few websites that will explain why this is the formula:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051021020720.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14354-atomthick-carbon-sheets-set-new-strength-record.html
http://inhabitat.com/new-graphene-super-paper-is-10x-stronger-than-steel/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_foam
http://www.tgdaily.com/trendwatch/3...ent-plastic-thats-stronger-lighter-than-steel
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/05/30/liquid.method.pure.graphene.production

These articles support the theory that plastic that is stronger than steel when it contains carbon and it is in a polymer matrix with a plastic.

 

[White_widow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_alcohol (this is the plastic that they used for the plastic that was flexible and stronger than steel)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyvinyl_acetate (This is school glue and can be used to make polyvinyl alcohol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_acetate (a liquid that polymerizes into school glue and can be manufactured into chewing gum)

So we want a plastic that is soluble in multiple substances and is highly elastic. These chemicals/polymers are responsible for elmer's white glue, some chewing gums, and a type of plastic. I think we should use the glue as a base, as it is easy to convert it into polymers. (as seen with the popular children's experiment GACK.)

Not only that, but it would be very similar to the already made webshooter on the killer movie forums that I posted a while back. They used white glue, cyanoacrylate, acetone, vinegar, and salt. The difference is, that we would also use a surfactant to help it foam and add water to help speed the reaction even further. The final difference is that we would use carbon bonds instead of salt to cause crystaline bonds.