World Webbing formula

[symbioteshost]

*bros

 

[symbioteshost]

Okay...don't know if it matters but here's the link to my web shooter so far. http://youtu.be/808pcaxLs8c

 

[Wadaltmon]

Although it seems unlikely, this video here has shown we could have been overthinking this. By a lot. Yes, we've had good ideas, but this guy has put it to use.
Once again, if you could show us how you made this, it would be much appreciated.

 

[White_widow]

To Symbiote'shost: Your formula is contact cement, water, and elmer's correct? I think the only thing you are missing in the formula (to increase tensile strength, the consistency looks good) is a dense plastic component. Great work! It looks great. ^^

To Wadaltmon: You said that you can get access to chemicals? would you mind testing a blend for me? Other than getting nano-cellulose, my biggest problem is making a heavy expansion. (1000-2000%) I was wondering if you you could perform an experiment.

The experiment, should you choose to accept it is this. Mix some liquified plastic (Not styrofoam unless you use a solvent that isn't acetone), sodium hydroxide, hydrogen peroxide, and soap. If all goes well, then you should have a foamy composite that is very similar to silly string. If not, well, I'd be curious to see how that goes.

Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xTI8yuVYmM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4N0m95PExHY

 

[symbioteshost]

Alright thanks WW! I'll try and look into it! I'll get to that as soon as i can Waldaltmon

 

[Wadaltmon]

Hmmm... liquefied plastic? Where can I get this from, just melting down something plastic like an old broken lid?

 

[White_widow]

right on symbioteman! No, not like an old lid. That's made out of polyethylene. I'm trying to think of a plastic that dissolves like styrofoam without the acetone.

 

[White_widow]

Hey Wadaltmon, if you are still up to it, mix that elephant tooth paste with play-doh. It's probably the most stable putty.

 

[Wadaltmon]

What, then, would I do with this "putty"?

 

[White_widow]

It's only for structure. It is to see how the putty forms. Playdoh is hard enough to hold it's shape. When expanded, a difference in properties is to be measured.For example, elongation, elasticity, tensile strength, hardness, etc. Of course, it won't be anything like the final product, but it will test the expansion's effect on a polymer/resin.

 

[toxin333]

well im new so u know lets say i want a safe formula to spray at pepole ...... the styrefome and water i dont know i need something stickiy and well like silly string but stronger any help

 

[White_widow]

What is the plan? What so you want it to do. Use details.

 

[toxin333]

well my bro wants to make be a superhero its kinda crazy right but i promised to help him now 10 years later he is 17 and wants to make the web shooters to well stun people...hit them on there face / body

 

[White_widow]

I would have to say that pepper spray is much more legal that a web shooter for stunning. Well, I mean that and stun guns. Shoot me a message, but I really think that a web shooter isn't as effective as other things.

The Styrofoam formula is very likely to cause permanent blinding which, in the court of law, is pretty condemning... That doesn't even consider the expansion that will likely harden the styrofoam over the nostrils. while foam can be wiped off, and adhesive foam will cause irritation, the styrofoam will cause suffocation.

 

[spidey44]

Where can I get some Polyvinyl Alcohol?

 

[Spectacular23]

So white Widow what's the Best formula that we can go with right now, that would most likely give us the results we need? Are you still looking at that cyanoacrylate formula. Because I don't think the webbing needs to be that strong at all. Just able to support up to about 6-8 times your body weight. Because I've seen plenty representation of the webbing breaking like tissue. But still be able to support a lot of weight.

Judging from the TSSM series his webbing was really tacky and i guess the shooter it self let it come out in a rope like form (I know that's the point)
In the film, it's really really thin but has metallic properties. In the 2nd film he stops a train using multiple web lines. Proving that one web line doesn't have to support thousands of a pounds. But if you layer it layer by layer, it can be proven very useful.

We know that the formula (used in the comics) is probably a compound. Consisting of 2 elements, right? The equation needs to be balanced on both side in order for the reaction to be soluble because it needs to dissolve.. So.. Maybe if you can get something that maybe works as a agent in the formula that bonds with oxygen and eventually breaks down until it dissolve? I'm in Chemistry now so I'm trying to use what I know... Help me out here please?

 

[White_widow]

to spidey44: it's called water soluble glue. you can find it in craft stores and amazon.

To Specs: Keep in mind that everything is theoretical. Most of my new ideas/ old ideas are based on concepts that we can't test without a lab. There is no real web formula now. Also, the statement that, "it doesn't have to be strong, just strong enough to hold 7 times our weight." With a home bound chemistry set, that is not likely. We would need a research grant to make that. That being said, let's look at the facts:

The closest substance to webbing is Kevlar. the problem is that it requires a super powerful solvent, though I just thought of a wonderful solution. If you mix kevlar, sulferic acid, powdered sugar, and cyanoacrylate, you get a carbonated kevlar, expanded fiber.

The next closest is nano-cellulose, an additive that makes plastics stronger than kevlar, is biodegradable, and is light. whether this will be destroyed due to cyanoacrylate. The idea was to mix 50% nano-cellulose with 50% polyvinyl alcohol. That way the webbing could be washed away. I personally like this idea best, because it is environmentally friendly, strong, fireproof, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanocellulose

The third polymer that is similar to webbing is graphene. It is stronger than diamond, is super elastic, and is transparent. It just isn't expansive, or cylindrical. It would be ok if it could be blended into the formula, but one step at a time.

The fourth is nylon. There is the hexamethylene diamine and sebacoyl chloride which creates a polymer that looks and behaves like webbing, but it is weak due to the lack of a plasticizer, and it is hazardous.

now what can we figure out from these? That's what we should look into.

The formula should contain components of these formulas or contain similar functional groups.

 

[Spectacular23]

to spidey44: it's called water soluble glue. you can find it in craft stores and amazon.

To Specs: Keep in mind that everything is theoretical. Most of my new ideas/ old ideas are based on concepts that we can't test without a lab. There is no real web formula now. Also, the statement that, "it doesn't have to be strong, just strong enough to hold 7 times our weight." With a home bound chemistry set, that is not likely. We would need a research grant to make that. That being said, let's look at the facts:

The closest substance to webbing is Kevlar. the problem is that it requires a super powerful solvent, though I just thought of a wonderful solution. If you mix kevlar, sulferic acid, powdered sugar, and cyanoacrylate, you get a carbonated kevlar, expanded fiber.

The next closest is nano-cellulose, an additive that makes plastics stronger than kevlar, is biodegradable, and is light. whether this will be destroyed due to cyanoacrylate. The idea was to mix 50% nano-cellulose with 50% polyvinyl alcohol. That way the webbing could be washed away. I personally like this idea best, because it is environmentally friendly, strong, fireproof, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanocellulose

The third polymer that is similar to webbing is graphene. It is stronger than diamond, is super elastic, and is transparent. It just isn't expansive, or cylindrical. It would be ok if it could be blended into the formula, but one step at a time.

The fourth is nylon. There is the hexamethylene diamine and sebacoyl chloride which creates a polymer that looks and behaves like webbing, but it is weak due to the lack of a plasticizer, and it is hazardous.

now what can we figure out from these? That's what we should look into.

The formula should contain components of these formulas or contain similar functional groups.

I liked this idea too. I really do. The only downsize is that there is probably no way you can find nano-cellulose commercially on sale somewhere. So do we need to theoretically come up with maybe a replacement that will work with this?

 

[spidey44]

How about adding fiberglass to the formula?

 

[JMA610]

Fiberglass is pretty strong, but we would have to find a way to dissolve it or find it as a liquid/gel.

 

[spidey44]

I've only found it in powder form so far.

 

[White_widow]

Do you guys know how fiberglass works? I'm tired so I'll explain quickly. there is a resin that is poured into a mold, then, layer by layer, the resin hardens, bonding the fiberglass together. Basically, the reason that I want nano-cellulose is that it has the same structural integrity of that fiberglass. It provides structure. The superglue is the resin (and it actually is a resin) The beautiful thing about it is that the superglue dries in seconds. Now you are right, specs, in stating that nano-cellulose is rare for now. In fact, I'd go ahead and say that I don't expect it in labs until I come back from my mission. But, no matter, we have to wait. Nano-technology is the only way to make something with these properties. Otherwise, we would have them right now. Scientists have been working on silk for years.

So in short, work on silly string/fiberglass.

 

[Human Spider]

Gum.
One of the most popular and abundant forms of candy. It can be found anywhere and is relatively cheap. It may also be related Spidey's web formula. It has most of the web's characteristics, but it lacks strength and the ability to naturally desintegrate.

If we're using real spider silk, the webline should be half a milimeter thick, but I think we could work with weblines half a centimeter in thickness. Does anybody know how to add strength to normal gum?

 

[spidey44]

I knew how fiberglass worked but I thought it be easier to use in powder form so it doesn't clog the webshooter.

 

[White_widow]

we thought up chewing gum in the past. The beautiful thing is that chewing gums chemical structure is similar to glue, an elastomer, and a reactant. We scrapped it though, mainly because using sugar chains are much more beneficial to this project.

as for the comment on fiberglass, the resin takes too long to cure. That is my only beef with it. Though it would be nice to have an adhesive.