World Webbing formula

[Iron_spider]

I think we'll be able to use UV LEDs. Though now that I look at it, they are fairly expensive for something so small...

 

[White_widow]

The thought to use UV epoxies had crossed my mind, but it would cure too fast. Cyanoacrylate had the perfect curing time with an activator. It would delay by about 2 seconds while the chemicals interacted.

That is assuming of course that you are using the nano-second curing resin. There are several resins that you could use though.

I don't think you have to worry about the light. UV lighting is the same light that they shine in your mouth when you have a cavity, and they are filling a tooth.

Although..., cost aside, what if instead of using the resin that cures in nano seconds, use the one iron_spider is using (in about three seconds) but make the formula fiber optic, or translucent so that the UV travels through the web curing it from the inside out. It's worth a shot if you can find the supplies and can afford the glue.

 

[White_widow]

The thought to use UV epoxies had crossed my mind, but it would cure too fast. Cyanoacrylate had the perfect curing time with an activator. It would delay by about 2 seconds while the chemicals interacted.

That is assuming of course that you are using the nano-second curing resin. There are several resins that you could use though.

I don't think you have to worry about the light. UV lighting is the same light that they shine in your mouth when you have a cavity, and they are filling a tooth.

Although..., cost aside, what if instead of using the resin that cures in nano seconds, use the one iron_spider is using (in about three seconds) but make the formula fiber optic, or translucent so that the UV travels through the web curing it from the inside out. It's worth a shot if you can find the supplies and can afford the glue.

 

[Iron_spider]

I did think about shining the light through the web, too. My problem was I wasn't sure if the light would still travel all the way through if the web was just transparent/translucent. I didn't think it would travel in an exact straight line; the wind might catch it or something like that. Didn't think about making the formula fiber optic though. I like that...

 

[White_widow]

magnesium oxide would do that. Translucence was one of the reasons we were going to add it it the PValcohol.

 

[Iron_spider]

Magnesium oxide would make the formula fiber optic?

 

[White_widow]

Oh guys, for those of you who wanted to climb the walls like spiderman, They finally invented a working gecko glove.., well mostly. They created a functional index card sized device that adheres about 700lbs of force and can be easily removed.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120216165500.htm


anywho, back to webbing. I've been thinking about velcro. The reason Ncc holds so much promise is that it's a bunch of small hairs that adhere to each other to create something harder than cast iron. But they also have hydroxide ions meaning that they can make EASY hydrogen bonds to anything that will allow it. I'm wondering if there is any way to make a molecular velcro that sticks to itself (carbon chains) and hydrogen bonds will bond to concrete/metal. Also as a bonus, it should be easily dissolved by water. I think I found a couple materials like this, but without our application.

There is a self healing gel, that when in the presence of slight acid (like vinegar) it will bond to it's specific partner. The addition of a base (like water) will cause it to disassemble.

 

[TheWeb]

I have extra epoxy. I bought it for whatever reason

 

[Human Spider]

Has a prototype formula been proposed yet?

 

[White_widow]

Depends. Is it based on materials we can gain access to now, or a theoretical formula that can be made in a lab?

 

[TheWeb]

White_widow, can you take an internship at a lab anywhere anear you?

 

[Wadaltmon]

I think we'll be able to use UV LEDs. Though now that I look at it, they are fairly expensive for something so small...

If I may ask, how expensive?

 

[Wadaltmon]

The thought to use UV epoxies had crossed my mind, but it would cure too fast. Cyanoacrylate had the perfect curing time with an activator. It would delay by about 2 seconds while the chemicals interacted.

That is assuming of course that you are using the nano-second curing resin. There are several resins that you could use though.

I don't think you have to worry about the light. UV lighting is the same light that they shine in your mouth when you have a cavity, and they are filling a tooth.

Although..., cost aside, what if instead of using the resin that cures in nano seconds, use the one iron_spider is using (in about three seconds) but make the formula fiber optic, or translucent so that the UV travels through the web curing it from the inside out. It's worth a shot if you can find the supplies and can afford the glue.

As an addition to the above posting... what cost are we looking at here?

 

[White_widow]

As an addition to the above posting... what cost are we looking at here?

Depends on the design and the glue, but... pretty pricey.

http://www.dkhardware.com/product-43452-uv70330-uv703-high-viscosity-uv-adhesive-30g.html

though the bulbs are cheap if you make your own circuit.

http://www.suntekstore.com/goods.php?id=14000154&utm_source=gbus


Also, no. I don't have access to a lab. I wish I did though. It's what I'll do with the rest of my life (engineering of the material degree, though I'll dabble in mechanical.)

 

[White_widow]

I have a quick question guys. If I had a formula that was:

1.) easy to make
2.) Relatively cheap (by comparison to other formulas)
3.)specific to certain terrains
4.) Could hold your weight, but nothing more
5.) couldn't expand
6.) could be made in about 10 minutes
7.) could not be made stronger than it would be now.

would you use it?


I have a formula that matches this, and I already know that it has most of the properties when dry. Do you guys want to know it?

 

[Iron_spider]

If I may ask, how expensive?

The LEDs White_widow posted are inexpensive, but they don't meet the wavelength requirements for the epoxy I found, which has an optimum wavelength of 300 nm.

These are the LEDs I found, which is why I said they were expensive:
http://www.thorlabs.com/thorProduct.cfm?partNumber=LED300W

Nonetheless, I think I'm still going to stick with the UV curing idea.

 

[AmazinSpiderboy]

Yea it would be the first break through of a working formula.

 

[AmazinSpiderboy]

White widow does that formula you are talking about re you allowed to touch it with base hands are do you need gloves.

 

[TheWeb]

Most likely gloves coated in something that wouldn't allow the web to stick.

 

[spidey44]

How long does it take for this UV epoxy to cure?

 

[Iron_spider]

2-5 seconds, spidey44. Heat also increases the curing rate.

 

[Human Spider]

Depends. Is it based on materials we can gain access to now, or a theoretical formula that can be made in a lab?

Hopefully the first choice. Though, my parents may have some connections with scientists.

 

[Human Spider]

I have a quick question guys. If I had a formula that was:

1.) easy to make
2.) Relatively cheap (by comparison to other formulas)
3.)specific to certain terrains
4.) Could hold your weight, but nothing more
5.) couldn't expand
6.) could be made in about 10 minutes
7.) could not be made stronger than it would be now.

would you use it?


I have a formula that matches this, and I already know that it has most of the properties when dry. Do you guys want to know it?

As long as it's cheap, easy to make, a fluid, and can hold my weight, I'll go for it! Also, great job on the formula.t:

 

[spidey44]

I thought about using UV epoxy but Couldn't figure out how to make work, but I have one question, won't the web start to cure at one end and block the UV light from getting to the other end or does UV light kick start the curing process?

 

[Iron_spider]

No, all of it will still cure because:
1. I believe we're planning on making it cure from the inside out
2. Even if it did start curing at one end first, the web will probably be translucent, so the light will just pass through.