World Webbing formula

[megajs]

for the shooter if we wanted a larger quantity of webbing stored i would suggest having the materials in separate compartments then mixed while being shot out. this of course is assuming that the web can form quickly enough. it may be easier for larger quantities if the webbing could form under lower temperatures so co2 could be used as a propellant

 

[White_widow]

I like that idea, but it's hard to pull off. If any of you have used a 2-part epoxy that had a mixing plunger, you know what I mean when I say it'll last maybe 5 minutes. You'd need a way to mix it without it depositing layer after layer in the shooter.

 

[White_widow]

I wanted to bring something to light for all the people here.

The formula can't be perfect without a perfect process.

Here's why:

PVA can be infused with clay plates, and become as hard as steel. But we couldn't do that at home. Why not? Well, they do it layer by layer. Well let's do that. But there is a glass substrate. Well, let's just use a piece of glass. It's not charged. So? The thing has to be charged to attract layers. Layer by layer? That'll take ages. Oh, you betcha it will. I forgot to mention that each layer has to dry before continuing. Why don't we use an emulsifier? Because it won't impregnate the polymer. Why not? Because the bonding of hydrogen plates..........


see what I mean?

In simpler terms, chemistry is done on the macro-scale. Even our most precise machines have difficulty with this kind of work. It takes time. If you want to speed it up, it takes heat, and probably a catalyst. That's money. That's not even a perfect sample. That's working on the concept.

Now what does this have to do with us?

When we prepare this formula, we need to realize that a slight tweak can cause changes in the structure.

 

[megajs]

I like that idea, but it's hard to pull off. If any of you have used a 2-part epoxy that had a mixing plunger, you know what I mean when I say it'll last maybe 5 minutes. You'd need a way to mix it without it depositing layer after layer in the shooter.

Well I have an idea but it depends on how fast the web solidifies when mixed

 

[White_widow]

Personally I'm using a solvent diffusion technique for a uniform mixture. What you are referring to is either an epoxy or cyanoacrylate. That depends on what you decide to do.

If someone wants to make a third separate formula, You could always use a buffer that's mixed with a glue to mix with the nylon. The glue will coat the nylon and the buffer will neutralize the hydrochloric acid. You just have to make it so that it mixes perfectly.

Shooter time for you.

 

[megajs]

Well it still needs testing

 

[White_widow]

but you have to have something to test to test it. Why don't you tell me what you want to do for a formula, and I'll see what we can do.

 

[Ryleyw]

could something like this maybe work?
http://www.homehardware.ca/en/rec/i...breglass-Liquid-Hardener/_/N-ntje3/R-I8659427

That's what I though about useing.

 

[White_widow]

that and what else?

 

[megajs]

i have been looking at compounds that bond fiberglass but wouldn't that make the formula lose most of its adhesive properties?
[EDIT]
never mind i may have found something of use http://www.cyberbond1.com/adhesive-solutions/fiberglass-adhesives.aspx

 

[megajs]

if we can make the formula expand we could increase the amount that could be stored (as long as the container can withstand a high enough pressure)

 

[spidey44]

We've already started working on that.

 

[Ryleyw]

that and what else?

And I thought abt that polyacrylic acid drys stuff up, but when I saw a liquid hardener at o'riley auto parts I thought abt using that to

 

[Ryleyw]

What would be a good adhesive substance to use instead of hot glue????

 

[Ryleyw]

I'm gonna mix together different formulas, for a safety line, a sticky line, and a fine line for possibly the impact, or wrap around enemies.

 

[Ryleyw]

This would all be simpler if we knew what the the proteins spiders use to make their web..

 

[spidey44]

That wouldn't make it simpler because it's difficult to get the exact mixture of amino acids correct, scientists are still having trouble.

 

[White_widow]

Good luck finding alanine and glycine.

I figured out how to make those web ball things. You have to turn the pressure really low, and then increase it to normal, due to the rate that thing dries, it will create a shell-film, but because the liquid still contains a solvent, it will weaken the film. when it hits something, it will splatter.

 

[Firestarts]

I am very appreciated

 

[Wadaltmon]

Good luck finding alanine and glycine.

I figured out how to make those web ball things. You have to turn the pressure really low, and then increase it to normal, due to the rate that thing dries, it will create a shell-film, but because the liquid still contains a solvent, it will weaken the film. when it hits something, it will splatter.

I've always wondered about that, as well as that with the organic shooters.
Also, I may be able to obtain cellulose acetate.

 

[Wadaltmon]

I am very appreciated

One question... what?

 

[megajs]

can someone post what we have so far on the formula

 

[White_widow]

can someone post what we have so far on the formula

Well, first you try for once to read. Seriously, there are at least three different formulas on the past six pages.

People need to stop being lazy, and do their homework.

 

[megajs]

I'm going to test some theories I have with the polystyrene formula and try to work on a prototype shooter using co2 as a propellant

 

[White_widow]

Good show my boy, good show.