The Dark Knight Well....this is intresting? (Joker news)

[The Fallen]

Hey, Babsy, where ya been hiding? Good to see you over here in the sequel forum.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that, as BOF told it some time back, it seems that the story in BB2 is really about Batman building his alliance with Harvey and Jim, and the three of them fighting their war on crime on several fronts since, unlike in the comics, here the bad guys are going to be all doing their thing simultaneously.

It seems that the Joker's role is that he's making life more difficult for EVERYBODY. He keeps showing up and screwing things up, and generally being a maniacal pain in the ass. This was the impression that I got last fall, anyway, and this news about Joker seems to confirm that.

So, what you just said is 100% true. Or, real talk as people say around here.

The Joker will be the wild card if you will. I'm all for it.

 

[Ronny Shade]

In response to the "small and mysterious" I only have this to say:
(I posted this in another thread, but it wasn't responded to because people were acting immature and the thread was closed)

I LOVE this. I mean COME ON! Some of the best villain performances were done with VERY little screen time:

- Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins): The Silence of the Lambs
- John Doe (Kevin Spacey): Se7en
- Doctor Octopus (Alfred Molina): Spider-man 2
- Liam Neeson (Ra's Al Ghul): Batman Begins

And soon to be:
- Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) Superman Returns

All of these villains have VERY little screen time in their respected movies (Liam as Ra's had little screen-time, as Ra's) and did amazing convincing jobs.

Especially in the Joker's case, the more out and about and longer he is on screen the easier it becomes to ruin the character, and make him seem campy and silly. I love this dark approach.

Simply enough....simplicity works. A small part often steals a movie, and is what people remember most. That's what the Joker should do. The movie should FOCUS on Batman, but Joker should STEAL every scene that they share, and that he apears in. Well not so much steal the scene from Batman, but enhance it amazingly.

-R

Liam Neeson and Al Molina had way more than "small and mysterious" roles. I haven't seen 7.

 

[trustyside-kick]

No. Joker scarring Dent is a pretty cool idea. Shows that Nolan and Goyer have really god down some basic "cool points" for all 3 movies.

Oh, I was not trying to intend that I thought it was stupid or anything.

 

[zer00]

Oh, I was not trying to intend that I thought it was stupid or anything.

Didn't say you were.

 

[Robin91939]

Liam Neeson and Al Molina had way more than "small and mysterious" roles. I haven't seen 7.

Not so much mysterious, however they were small. Molina may have had 17 minutes of screen time, at most, and Neeson (while being Ra's Al Ghul) may have had 15 minutes of screen time. That's right up there with Dr. Lecture who had, I believe less than 15 and Mr. Doe who wasn't even revealed as a character until the final act of the film.

It's quality, not quantity.

-R

 

[zer00]

Liam Neeson and Al Molina had way more than "small and mysterious" roles. I haven't seen 7.

Ignore -R boy

I like how he referenced a movie that doesn't come out for 3 months.

And Lector was a side character and not the main villian. And considering SOTL was a crime mystery

 

[Ronny Shade]

Not so much mysterious, however they weren small. Molina may have had 17 minutes of screen time, at most, and Neeson (while being Ra's Al Ghul) may have had 15 minutes of screen time. That's right up there with Dr. Lecture who had, I believe less than 15 and Mr. Doe who wasn't even revealed as a character until the final act of the film.

It's quality, not quantity.

-R

only counting Neesons time "as Ra's" is totally meaningless. You have to take into account his entire performance.

 

[The Fallen]

^ Right on Robin. As long as the character is right, that's all that matters.

 

[Robin91939]

Ignore -R boy

I like how he referenced a movie that doesn't come out for 3 months.

And Lector was a side character and not the main villian. And considering SOTL was a crime mystery

Yeah, and Lector is one of the most famous movie villains/characters of all time.

Plus, what the hell do you think that Batman is?....I'm gonna say a "crime mystery", I mean he is the "world's greatest DETECTIVE", and debuted and continues to appear in "DETECTIVE comics". Joker will commit MYSTERIOUS crimes, and Batman will have to solve it and confront him, just like SOTL or Se7en.


Plus, it's a known fact that Spacey's Luthor will NOT have much screen time at all, maybe not even 20 minutes. And as the main villain in an action/superhero movie, that's not a lot of screen time. Plus, all signs are pointing to Spacey being an awesome Lex...if he's not, you can quote me, and on July 1st morning, I'll eat my words.

^ Right on Robin. As long as the character is right, that's all that matters.

Thanks.

-R

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The Joker will be the wild card if you will. I'm all for it.

Precisely.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

How much screen-time did The Joker have in MOTP or even ROTJ?

 

[zer00]

Joker wasn't introduced till late in the game in MOTP and that was because ..it wasn't his first appearance and he wasn't the main villian.

ROTJ..I thought he had quite a bit

 

[Ronny Shade]

ggod point about MotP and RotJ. I want Joker to be in it as much as in RotJ.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I think the 'rivaly' thing can happen. As the Joker does his thing (killing ect), Batman will have a increasingly more difficult time trying to figure out who the Joker is and why he does what he does. Slowly Batman will start to go well... baty and this life as Bruce Wayne will suffer as a concequence. Bruce will be preocupied with the Joker. It can work.

I'm going to go insane. I just pray that Nolan doesn't pay attention to this.

As for The Joker having a small role, I need to learn more before I can give an opinion. And this also could be pure rumor.

 

[The Fallen]

I'm going to go insane. I just pray that Nolan doesn't pay attention to this.

As for The Joker having a small role, I need to learn more before I can give an opinion. And this also could be pure rumor.

What's wrong Ghost?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Ya I was wondering the same.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Its the Bruce vs Batman argument.

It gnaws at his soul.

 

[trustyside-kick]

You mean how the guy was talking about one of the persona's will hurt the other or something?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

You mean how the guy was talking about one of the persona's will hurt the other or something?

It's... complicated.

 

[kytrigger]

I'm still kind of on the fence about the amount we should see of the Joker. While I think that keeping him a little bit mysterious and hidden could work really well, I want to see as much of him as possible too.

Honestly, I would like it if they did Joker like they showed Batman in BB. We didn't really see Batman until halfway through the movie. I think that keeping him mysterious through the first part of the movie, just finding bodies and never seeing him clearly and whatnot would add suspense and then he is truly revealed around the halfway point.

I don't know why, but for some reason I would just love for Joker's first real "appearance" in the movie to be a huge event, maybe crashing a huge mob boss party or just doing anything extremely lavish really. Joker's loves attention and I think this would help create a balance between his mysterious side, and his lavish side.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

What's wrong Ghost?

Well, what do you mean by his life as "Bruce Wayne will suffer as a consequence"? Doesn't the murder of his parents and his life as Batman already compromise his so-called "life" as Bruce Wayne? Forgive the simplification, but all Batman has is his obsession (which Nolan needs to solidify more in the next movie) to see justice done in Gotham. To say that his life as "Bruce Wayne" will suffer is a bit counter-intuitive for me. But I digress, I'm recalling an earlier debate in another thread.

Interestingly enough, The Joker's roles in both MOTP and especially in ROTJ have been shrouded in mystery throughout the course of the films. So, the mystery part can work, but I'm a bit concerned about the small role.

EDIT: Shouldn't The Joker's first appearance to Batman be a big deal? I think so. And how could that be accomplished with a small role. I suppose if Nolan and crew are talented enough they could pull it off, but the "small role" is ominous and gives way to the possibility of failure.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I don't know why, but for some reason I would just love for Joker's first real "appearance" in the movie to be a huge event, maybe crashing a huge mob boss party or just doing anythign extremely lavish really. Joker's loves attention and I think this would help create a balance between his mysterious side, and his lavish side.

I could see that working but not as his first "appearance" but as a huge event yea that would be great. Like him trying to make a statement since at the moment the mob families are in control of Gotham. Kind of like him claiming his turf by taking out some mob guys. There could be a part with the newspaper involved calling him the Clown Prince of Gotham or something...like in TLH when they basically gave the holiday killer (Holiday) his/her name and talking about em...

 

[The Fallen]

Bruce will suffer because the monser he created called Batman will begin of overtake him as the Joker goes around killing and stuff and Batman keeps hitting dead ends as to his motives and who he is.

Batman will become obsessed with getting the Joker, and Bruce Wayne will slowly fade away until Alfred or someone pulls him in line.

 

[The Guard]

You know who's going to love this news?

The Guard.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I just have to learn more about what Nolan plans to do.