What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS* - Part 1

[sf2]

I stand by my 10/10 but I do think the film might have benefitted from a few changes, some stuff could have been done that maybe would have satisfied others i.e.

- have the Krypton exploding scene (with the rocket coming to Earth) and the scene on the boat broken up with the Kent's finding baby Kal El's rocket then have the 'S' symbol reveal kind of like the Bat symbol in the Batman films, then cut to the boat.
- move the strategy scene so that it happens before the Gravity beam starts
- have a few more shots of people running out buildings
- have scenes if Superman saving certain individuals during the fight scene with Zod until he gets to that final family that are obviously trapped
- after Superman has killed Zod have a reflection scene on that where he's talking to Lois or Martha, or both

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Those r n8ce but dont make much different.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Eh, just saw it. I thought it was just alright. The big thing it was lacking for me was 'fun'. It seemed to lack character. There were some cool ideas but yeah, needed a personality.

Also.... i WANTED HIM TO PUNCH A GUY INTO THE SUN! :P


Btw, minor nit pick but what are the odds of a guy getting punched into space and just happening to crash into a satellite, the ONLY thing that could be crashed into in the nearby vicinity? Like, in all the reaches of space, he happens to get punched into a satellite?

Edit: Also, how the hell did Dr Toby Ziegler figure out advanced alien technology in like 30 seconds? "Hmm it's some kind of gravit-MY GOD THEY'RE TERRAFORMING"

 

[robot]

Eh, just saw it. I thought it was just alright. The big thing it was lacking for me was 'fun'. It seemed to lack character. There were some cool ideas but yeah, needed a personality.

Yeah... quite the consensus on what you're saying...

I loved it... but know this could have been so much more with just a teeny bit more 'fun', 'character', and 'better action sequences'...

Anyways, if you want all that, then Goyer (the dark, downer guy), needs to go...

 

[BlackFox]

I would have liked slightly more made of when he gets his suit, rather than just "here it is!" behind a door.

 

[robot]

I would have liked slightly more made of when he gets his suit, rather than just "here it is!" behind a door.

I read the prequel comic so i knew exactly why the suit was there.. but they need to ensure the movie can stand-alone for the GA... again, this is yet another place there the 'chopping block' screwed up an otherwise great movie... so many scenes chopped off pre-maturely... or, didn't have the appropriate lead-in...

 

[Nathan]

You know what was weird? When debris from the ground got sucked up into the Phantom Zone, yet Lois falls to the ground, completely unaffected by it.

 

[BlackFox]

I read the prequel comic so i knew exactly why the suit was there.. but they need to ensure the movie can stand-alone for the GA... again, this is yet another place there the 'chopping block' screwed up an otherwise great movie... so many scenes chopped off pre-maturely... or, didn't have the appropriate lead-in...

Yeah I would agree with that statement. Its a shame some important stuff was held back or shown in other media.

 

[robot]

You know what was weird? When debris from the ground got sucked up into the Phantom Zone, yet Lois falls to the ground, completely unaffected by it.

Lois has really good BMI...

 

[spider-neil]

They could have had one scene where Superman uses X-Ray vision to look inside the skyscrapers (before the Zod fight) and they are all empty. I would totally buy that after the World Engine destroys a city block the rest of the people in the remaining buildings would get the hell out.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

They could have had one scene where Superman uses X-Ray vision to look inside the skyscrapers (before the Zod fight) and they are all empty. I would totally buy that after the World Engine destroys a city block the rest of the people in the remaining buildings would get the hell out.

At the very least. Although it is always a bad idea to throw a giant spaceship on a city.

 

[dark_b]

Btw, minor nit pick but what are the odds of a guy getting punched into space and just happening to crash into a satellite, the ONLY thing that could be crashed into in the nearby vicinity? Like, in all the reaches of space, he happens to get punched into a satellite?

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USA has a lot satellite's in space. hi hi ha ha he he t:

 

[BH/HHH]

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Those r n8ce but dont make much different.

Yeah that's why I thought they could improve the film just that little bit.

 

[spider-neil]

At the very least. Although it is always a bad idea to throw a giant spaceship on a city.

I don't know if it was the film makers intention but unlike Avengers or Transformers I felt the buildings were all occupied so when Superman or Zod crashes through the building I'm thinking 'well, there goes a 10 thousand, there goes 50 thousand...'

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I don't know if it was the film makers intention but unlike Avengers or Transformers I felt the buildings were all occupied so when Superman or Zod crashes through the building I'm thinking 'well, there goes a 10 thousand, there goes 50 thousand...'

Meh, but if it's about killing ONE Kryptonian... t:

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

MOS was well done seriously the work of all designers , animators , sound artists and direction was very well done .

People just argue over the killing as if he had choice .

 

[Nathan]

Did anyone else kinda miss the sense of wonder, from Zod and his fellow Kryptonians? I wish there would have been a moment, where they suddenly realize they possess superhuman abilities on earth.

 

[Jim-El]

Has anyone brought up how silly it sounded when Superman is coughing as he tries to destroy the world engine? It was unnecessary and came off quite amateurish. JMHO

 

[br0adband]

Has anyone brought up how silly it sounded when Superman is coughing as he tries to destroy the world engine? It was unnecessary and came off quite amateurish. JMHO

It happened because the World Engine was producing Kryptonian atmosphere particulates as mentioned by Dr. Hamilton - Kal had the same reaction when he was inside the Black Zero, remember? Coughed up blood till he acclimated to it inside the ship... this was the same thing happening to an even greater degree.

In that instance when the World Engine's tentacle-thing captured him he was choking and being squeezed pretty hard by it - he was weakened at that point and if held there wouldn't have been able to stop the machine but, luckily, it basically tossed him to the ground which meant of course he's free of breathing those particulates and sucking up somewhat fresh Earth air once again so he gets his "pro wrestler comeback," basically.

 

[Jim-El]

I understand what you are saying br0adband, but the coughing just did not sound right and really annoyed me. It was obvious that the coughing was added in after the scene...Ugh.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Inreally like the idea of there being an \S/ break up between The ship arriving and the boat in the ocean scene. I don't need a scene of the Kent's finding the baby, I understand that they felt it had been done too much.
I still feel Jonathan's death could have been done better. Maybe perhaps Clark is busy Savin people and keeping them safe from the tornado and is unaware his dad is in danger and can't save him. For the rest of his life he works to save as many as he can while at the same time trying to keep his identity secret. IDK I'm not a writer, I just felt the death could have been done much better.

 

[The Guard]

would have liked slightly more made of when he gets his suit, rather than just "here it is!" behind a door.

In what sense? There's a whole speech about the hope that Kryptonians used to exhibit, and the suit's meaning in context.

It's not so much that, it's that a) it's a blue and red suit completely unlike any other Kryptonian clothing of any styling that we are privy to in the movie, b) it's got the El crest on the chest, and c) it's on a scout ship that crashed on Earth 18,000+ years ago which causes the problems so, let's cover the basics:

That's not a problem. It requires some simple thought. We'll get to it in a moment, but first, the colors.

That's an obvious intentional design choice by filmmakers, to show current Kryptonians in darker, muted colors reflecting their attitudes and world, and to juxtapose that with the brighter colors worn by Kryptonians of the past, who also seemed to have more hope and desire to reach out among the stars.

) it has the El crest on it for one primary reason with a secondary one:

-- the primary reason is because Kal inserted the House of El command key into the ship thereby uploading Jor-El's consciousness into the system and it's safe to assume (uh oh, careful now) that given Jor-El's position as one of the most respected Kryptonian scientists his work in the scientific field obviously (at least to me) lends him to being very well aware on the genetic engineering of the Kryptonian people - what I'm getting at is that it's not a great leap of the imagination to think that Jor-El couldn't do a genetic makeup on Kal after his birth and literally be able to see exactly what he would become at any given age meaning his physical body dimensions, etc hence the suit being "tailor made" on command as required when Kal activates the scout ship.

-- the secondary reason is - if you accept what the prequel comic states - that scout ship was launched by ancestors in the House of El family line, piloted by Kara Zor-El herself, but it was never intended for the Sol system (our solar system since that's the name of our sun) since we're already populated. It seems even the Kryptonians probably had some kind of "Prime Directive" themselves by not interfering with the evolution of systems that already had sentient lifeforms inhabiting them - they don't specifically say THAT directly in the prequel, but Kara states rather emphatically that "Sol's system was never our destination!!!

The scout ships and colonial outposts regularly sent reports back to Krypton in some manner, that's how Jor-El has the information about Earth, our yellow sun, the effects the younger sun's radiation will have on Kal as he lives here, and so on.

All in all a rather miraculous miracle one could say and not just bad writing like so many seem to imply - I mean this stuff is based on the original Superman canon to begin with: Kal comes from Krypton as a baby and then becomes Superman as he grows up - this retelling covers that with a bit more detail and backstory created for this retelling.

While that's entirely possible, I think you're seriously, seriously overthinking it, at least in terms of what it is, how it got there, and what its meaning is within the film. It's really quite a simple concept, and doesn't need to involve all of those leaps in logic and assumptions. If it's a suit in his ancestors' ship, then it was probably a suit designed to be worn by his ancestors, whose ideals Jor-El carried on with at the end of Krypton.

Kal's use of it carries on those themes and ideals. It's clearly somewhat indestructible, and that doesn't need much explanation.

It's not rocket science (even though it may be ).

Now, as for the traditional red and blue colors of the suit, you'd have to go have a chat with Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster on that one.

That's pretty clearly just the colors the House of El wore. Jor-El also has a blue suit with a darker crest. He also has robes with blue on them.

 

[The Guard]

I understand that a fight between kryptonians has to cause a lot of damage, but the director could have used a couple of shots to show us how the city was being evacuated, and how Superman used his x-ray vision to check which buildings had been evacuated and how he tried to move the fight to the evacuated zones.

There's no way that Superman has time for all that in the middle of a knock-down, drag out battle. The filmmakers chose to portray Zod as an unstoppable force. That unstoppable force wasn't going to let up at all, and that's what they showed. Superman doesn't realistically have any control over all of that stuff.

Those shots would have lasted just a few seconds and would have improved the movie by showing us that Superman was being as careful as he could instead of asking the audience to take it for granted, because then everybody will talk abou how Superman didn't care for all the people dying around.

The movie shows you that Superman is being as careful as he can be. He's doing what he can, as a young, inexperienced Superman, to stem the loss of life, and to control his own flight patterns, etc, to prevent more destruction.

Superman kissing Lois in the middle of all that destruction instead of being terrified by it and trying to save victims is really unbelievable and excessively cold if you don't show how most of the people have been evacuated and saved while he was fighting Zod.

The movie shows a ton of people leaving the buildings and fleeing. Did they all get out? It sort of doesn't matter. The point of the sequence is that a lot of people were in danger. The entire world, actually. And that Superman saved them. Not how many actually died.

I don't think, given the horrible event he just went through, and the amount of shock he's in, that I begrudge him a little human contact and a respite just because there might be victims out there.

Even if the evacuation was shown, he should show some respect for all the people that has died because of him and he should feel devastated instead of horny. He cries and yells when he kills Zod, but the director doesn't bother to show us how he feels about all the human victims, there is not a single shot with Superman being sorry for all the deaths he has caused. He has saved billions, yes, but he has also caused the deaths of many others, but he seems to care strictly about Zod's death, Snyder doesn't show us how he feels about all the detruction and all the human deaths

See, you say that Snyder doesn't show Superman's reaction, and then you say that he "cries and yells" when he kills Zod.

It's entirely possible (and I think quite likely) that his "crying" and "yelling" and grief after the final confrontation between he and Zod isn't just about killing Zod, but about the overall destruction.

Snyder should have shown us the aftermath with Superman trying to help as much as he could, and the people of Metropilis and the rest of the world either loving him for saving them all, or hating him for being the cause of everything that has just happened, but we don't know if he is seen as a hero or not, we just don't know if the greatest superhero is actually seen by the world as such. We just see how he talks with his mom, with the army guy, and then he is riding his bike to the Planet with a smile on his face like if nothing had happened.

Pretty sure that's going to be in the sequel. It's certainly not something that HAD to be in this movie. The film does not make it appear that nothing has happened. Why should Clark or Metropolis have to dwell in every scene on the destruction? Why can't a Superman film end on a hopeful note?

Regarding the Black Zero spaceship, don't tell me how "nobody was really innocent". Kryptonians had the technology to travel to other planets and galaxies and they didn't use it because they were just plain stupid. They knew that they were going to die and they didn't move a finger according to this movie. Snyder should have shown us that they learned about Krypton's destiny AFTER Zod and company had been sent to the Phantom Zone, because otherwise they should have used Black Zero to save their own kind like Zod tried to do later. Zod and the others could modify the spaceship to travel to other planets, are you going to tell me that Jor-El or other scientists like him couldn't have done the same to actually save the kryptonian kind?

Its not a question of them not having the technology to start an exodus. They didn't think the planet was going to be destroyed. They were that arrogant.

They should have shown Zod's rebellion, then he is sent to the Phantom Zone with Black Zero, then Jor-El learns the planet is dying and there is no time to evacuate, but he has a spaceship and a destination for his son because he already had a plan just in case the council learned that Kal-El was a naturally born child. That makes sense, and I don't know if that was what I saw in the movie, I've seen it just once, but I don't remember it that way.

That's pretty much what they did show, though not in that order.

And Jonathan's dead was just ridiculous and unnecesary, he dies for no reason, it's just a writer's trick to show us some kind of ******ed lesson the hero supposedly needs to learn and an artificial life-changing moment that nobody with a brain and a heart could understand why happened, he just killed himself and Clark allowed it.

So, based on your assessment of this as "some ******ed lesson" you clearly didn't understand this sequence in the least.

And I repeat: no serious movie shows aliens speaking perfect english for no reason.

Actually a lot of science fiction movies do.

There are a billion ways to make clear that their original language is kryptonian without needing subtitles, it has been done for decades with tons of movies with characters that didn't speak english, they just had to think about a clever way to do it like many other movies have since a long time ago.

They showed a number of Krypotonian glyphs, symbols, etc in various sequences. It's quite clear that they have their own language, alphabet, etc, and that speaking English was a matter of accessibility for the audience.

 

[Invisiboy]

I'm curious if anyone else saw Doug Walker's or Brad Jones' reviews of this?

http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/sibling-rivalry-man-of-steel-6605410
http://blip.tv/nostalgiacritic/spoiler-corner-man-of-steel-6605421
http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/midnight-screening-man-of-steel-6603107

I thought they conveyed a lot of people's problems with the movie pretty well (boring characters, lack of focus on the emotional aspect, weird editing, etc.).

 

[king666]

What are your complaints? What would you do differently?

I'd forget the alien costume (not a huge deal for me, but hey, I love the classic costume t. Less "stuff" would've been better. I'd keep it simple (Zod is exiled, Krypton explodes, Zod finds Kal-El, wants to create new Krypton). **** the codex thing and the "natural birth" stuff, too. Zod just wants a new Krypton and Earth is the only viable option. Supes wants to protect Earth. That's it.

I would also have tried to give more depth to adult Clark before turning him into Superman. More humor would've been nice. And I would NOT kill Pa Kent.

I don't know. I like MOS, but I think less would've been more.

 

[Dudicus]

The only scene that comes to my mind is when Jenny got caught under the rubble, very brief. The acting was fine but it seemed to come out of nowhere.