What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS* - Part 1

[Nathan]

It was basically his first day on the job. The theme of Hope will developed over multiple films. Just like Spider-Man's theme of responsibility will be developed over multiple films. Even without the Zod fight, I doubt the end of the Movie he would have been accepted with open arms and suddenly turned into the shining ray of hope for humanity. There would still be too many afraid of him.

 

[writer0327]

Honestly the fight scenes didn't really have that much meaning to them. They looked cool and all but they were more or less set pieces. Zod flies through this building, Superman crashes into that building. The only people being hurt were the civilians.

The fight scenes would have been better if Superman had figure out how to fight Zod without killing people in the process.

 

[Iron_Madrigal]

Uh, there was a scoutship with a house of El suit sent to Earth 18,000 years ago. With him being a top scientist and scholar of Krypton, Im sure he did his homework.

Yeah, but the way him and Lara talk about Earth at the beginning it's like they didn't really have time to study it or anything.

 

[writer0327]

Yeah, but the way him and Lara talk about Earth at the beginning it's like they didn't really have time to study it or anything.

One of the problems I found with the story.

We're expected to assume much of the spots that the script doesn't address. Much of the exposition is through words not actions, which isn't a good thing for a visual medium like film.

 

[The Guard]

I'm curious how some of you don't get the idea that Lois comforting Superman is about him not being alone. It's subtle, but its absolutely there.

Why did they recap what happened in Krypton ? They dump a bunch of information describing events we were presented not long ago. Not the slightest trust in the audience.

Because the filmmakers wanted to place the events we saw at the beginning of the film in context of Krypton's history and its fall from grace, and the nature of Krypton's birth system, which we did not already see and were not outright told everything about, and which in fact was only hinted at by Zod and Jor-El in earlier scenes.

They didn't repeat everything in that montage, just that Zod staged a coup, which is the most important information for Kal to take to heart so he could warn the world.

 

[Tequilla]

But they still repeat informations. Lots of it. That we have seen. They unload the information to spoon feed the audience that might have failed to grasp the simplicity of the coup d'etat that was presented. That , or even the filmmakers had little faith in themselves of how they presented the Krypton scenes (and they probably had every reason for it)

Completely redundant. It's not so much being a narrated dump of exposition. It's that's a repeated dump. And presented in a horrid animation.

This movie needed another writer so much. It's so stupidly raw , it looks extremely amateurish in some sections.

 

[writer0327]

But they still repeat informations. Lots of it. That we have seen. They unload the information to spoon feed the audience that might have failed to grasp the simplicity of the coup d'etat that was presented. That , or even the filmmakers had little faith in themselves of how they presented the Krypton scenes (and they probably had every reason for it)

Completely redundant. It's not so much being a narrated dump of exposition. It's that's a repeated dump. And presented in a horrid animation.

This movie needed another writer so much. It's so stupidly raw , it looks extremely amateurish in some sections.

The repeating of information is a byproduct of the lack of focus from the writer. But that is what happens when you explain things through dialogue rather than showing the action on screen. The story doesn't resonate on screen that way, and eventually you have to repeat information to hammer the point home because parts of you story have gotten lost. It bothered me as much as the poor character development and the action for action's sake. I thought the story had promise and the acting was good enough, but the writer failed.

 

[Iron_Madrigal]

One of the problems I found with the story.

We're expected to assume much of the spots that the script doesn't address. Much of the exposition is through words not actions, which isn't a good thing for a visual medium like film.

Yeah, agreed. Not only that but the script it bipolar. Information and themes seem to contradict each other.

For such an advanced society, Krypton seems ass backwards.

They have terraforming technology yet their outposts failed because they didn't get enough resources? Wouldn't expansion bring about new resources? Wouldn't terraforming allow them to create endless Krypton-like worlds?

 

[blumatic]

Yeah, agreed. Not only that but the script it bipolar. Information and themes seem to contradict each other.

For such an advanced society, Krypton seems ass backwards.

They have terraforming technology yet their outposts failed because they didn't get enough resources? Wouldn't expansion bring about new resources? Wouldn't terraforming allow them to create endless Krypton-like worlds?

Advanced does not mean perfect. Ignorance and mistakes still stains any species.

 

[jmc]

But they still repeat informations. Lots of it. That we have seen. They unload the information to spoon feed the audience that might have failed to grasp the simplicity of the coup d'etat that was presented. That , or even the filmmakers had little faith in themselves of how they presented the Krypton scenes (and they probably had every reason for it)

Completely redundant. It's not so much being a narrated dump of exposition. It's that's a repeated dump. And presented in a horrid animation.

This movie needed another writer so much. It's so stupidly raw , it looks extremely amateurish in some sections.

It lacks polish. The Krypton sequence is more or less redundant and provides us with information that is repeated later on in far less time. There's no doubt there's a good film under the surface but it's let down by focusing on the wrong areas of the story.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It's the structuring of it all. If it started from Krypton-childhood-adulthood-quest-invasion-resolution, it would be 5 times better.
Instead it starts from Krypton-Quest-adulthood-invasion-resolution.

Lois meeting Clark would be better if done near the end of the movie, imho

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Tdkr also had annoying repeated scenes of exposition with the 'fusion reactor'

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ All we have to know that it's unstable :/

And yet, critics don't criticized the fusion core plot device like they do the codex.

 

[jmc]

They are both McGuffins but I think the issue with MoS is that its McGuffin doesn't seem to play any vital role to what's going on. I actually forgot about the whole Codex thing whilst watching the film. You compare that to the Bomb in TDKR or even the Teseract in Avengers where they are essential parts of the film.

 

[writer0327]

They are both McGuffins but I think the issue with MoS is that its McGuffin doesn't seem to play any vital role to what's going on. I actually forgot about the whole Codex thing whilst watching the film. You compare that to the Bomb in TDKR or even the Teseract in Avengers where they are essential parts of the film.

What was the end result of the Codex? What happened to it?

 

[spider-neil]

^ All we have to know that it's unstable :/

And yet, critics don't criticized the fusion core plot device like they do the codex.

Yes they do. The fusion bomb and half life of 3 months was a problem for loads of reviewers.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, lets not make out Rises' McGuffin was let off scott free.

 

[STARMAN]

Even in CB movies I like, the McGuffin doesn't make sense half the time. You think the science behind the Tesseract is real?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

But that isn't set in the "real world" :P

 

[Smallville13]

There's some crowd reaction shots that really don't go well with the CGI destruction to me. Particularly after the shot of a building collapsing after Zod uses his heat vision for the first time. It cuts to these people supposedly watching the building collapse right in front of them and they aren't really reacting enough. They're frozen but with very blank expressions. Then it cuts to Zod and Supes crashing through the streets into the multiple-level carpark followed by a shot of people amongst all the cars looking in one direction, and it's a similar emotionless expression from everyone. I'm not sure if Snyder researched 9/11 onlooker reaction, but there's some shots in there that ring false to me. I'm trying to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TheBat812]

The codex being implanted into Clark was symbolically huge - he was the amalgam of all krypton merging with the best qualities of humanity. The device, plot wise was only important to zod because it was what he needed to perpetuate his purpose as the one to ensure the survival of his people. It didn't need a bigger payoff than either of those things in the context of this story.

Them repeating a little info about krypton was necessary because Clark needed to be privy to it as well. I guess they could've done some quick cutting with the idea that jorel was 'showing' him what had happened, but it didn't bother me at all. The way it was done made more sense and frankly every idea I hear in this thread tends to be very cliche and retreading very bland ideas used in many of the marvel movies. There's one post that wanted to use like 3 very cliche ideas from three separate marvel films in ONE superman movie. I would much rather have what we got than to re see those moments again.

I swear, more people complain about what they think things should've been, rather than what's actually presented and the flaws actually there. Having said that, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but I certainly don't agree with much of the 'criticism', much less their ideas on what could be done to fix them.

 

[BH/HHH]

There's some crowd reaction shots that really don't go well with the CGI destruction to me. Particularly after the shot of a building collapsing after Zod uses his heat vision for the first time. It cuts to these people supposedly watching the building collapse right in front of them and they aren't really reacting enough. They're frozen but with very blank expressions. Then it cuts to Zod and Supes crashing through the streets into the multiple-level carpark followed by a shot of people amongst all the cars looking in one direction, and it's a similar emotionless expression from everyone. I'm not sure if Snyder researched 9/11 onlooker reaction, but there's some shots in there that ring false to me. I'm trying to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt.

To be fair they're stood quite far away and it's probably more a shock to see it plus two people flying.

 

[-Arya-]

My only major complaint with this film was that many of the intimate/emotional character scenes were cut a bit short and the editing during boat/oil rig scene was too fast.

Thats mainly it...My other complaints are minor (alien invasion plot is cliche at this point, the music was bombastic at points, and a little character development with clark and pa kent would have been beneficial.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's my only real complaint too. I think there could have been smoother transitions from the present day to the flashbacks. Most could have been more seamless.

I'm pretty happy with everything else, really.

 

[jmc]

The codex being implanted into Clark was symbolically huge - he was the amalgam of all krypton merging with the best qualities of humanity. The device, plot wise was only important to zod because it was what he needed to perpetuate his purpose as the one to ensure the survival of his people. It didn't need a bigger payoff than either of those things in the context of this story.

Them repeating a little info about krypton was necessary because Clark needed to be privy to it as well. I guess they could've done some quick cutting with the idea that jorel was 'showing' him what had happened, but it didn't bother me at all. The way it was done made more sense and frankly every idea I hear in this thread tends to be very cliche and retreading very bland ideas used in many of the marvel movies. There's one post that wanted to use like 3 very cliche ideas from three separate marvel films in ONE superman movie. I would much rather have what we got than to re see those moments again.

I swear, more people complain about what they think things should've been, rather than what's actually presented and the flaws actually there. Having said that, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but I certainly don't agree with much of the 'criticism', much less their ideas on what could be done to fix them.

The issue with the Krypton stuff being repeated is yes Clark had to know the information, but we as an audience already knew the information making it redundant to us. This is why the entire Krypton prologue is borderline useless, it wastes a good 20 mins of the movie, time that could have been used to better expand Clark's story.