What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS* - Part 1

[blumatic]

I'm not in favor of a 2 dimensional Superman characterization. Nor am I in favor of injecting unnecessary pathos in a misguided attempt to make him interesting.

You are not, but most of the world is. People want to know, what makes Superman tick. What experiences does he depend on to help him make certain choices.

You cant always say because its the right thing to do, because what is the right thing.

You know who is a really good guy. John "Robin" Blake. His values are much like Superman's. Following certain rules. Trust in the insitution of the police to protect and serve the innocent. Blake was dissapointed in Gordon for particpating in the lie to uphold Harvey's legacy so that the streets would be kept clean. Gordon explains that he trusted the moral structure that guided his career. But then one day that structre became shackels restricting you from doing the right thing. Gordand he was lucky to have Batman to take on the mantle of the bad guy to helo save the city.

Blake was disgusted. Then we was faced with teh situation when he asked his fellow police officers to help him save some kids. Then they blew the bridge and Blake couldnt believe it. He saw that the structure of morality had been compromised. So he couldnt be a part of it, so he had to go solo.

Blake saw how first had morality can be challenged, so when challenged its becomes choosing of the lesser evil.

It about time I see Superman challenged morally, mentally, and physically.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I want to see the scene where Braniac flat out tells Luthor that Clark Kent is Superman and Lex calls him a moron.

I remember I read a Byrne story with Luthor people and a computer telling him Superman is Clark and Luthor angry rejecting such theory.

Seriously, Luthor cannot be that stupid. At the very least he must compare two pictures or shoot a bullet at Clark first.

 

[StarvingArtist]

You are not, but most of the world is. People want to know, what makes Superman tick. What experiences does he depend on to help him make certain choices.

You cant always say because its the right thing to do, because what is the right thing.

You know who is a really good guy. John "Robin" Blake. His values are much like Superman's. Following certain rules. Trust in the insitution of the police to protect and serve the innocent. Blake was dissapointed in Gordon for particpating in the lie to uphold Harvey's legacy so that the streets would be kept clean. Gordon explains that he trusted the moral structure that guided his career. But then one day that structre became shackels restricting you from doing the right thing. Gordand he was lucky to have Batman to take on the mantle of the bad guy to helo save the city.

Blake was disgusted. Then we was faced with teh situation when he asked his fellow police officers to help him save some kids. Then they blew the bridge and Blake couldnt believe it. He saw that the structure of morality had been compromised. So he couldnt be a part of it, so he had to go solo.

Blake saw how first had morality can be challenged, so when challenged its becomes choosing of the lesser evil.

It about time I see Superman challenged morally, mentally, and physically.

No the world doesn't want to see false pathos. They WOULD like a bit of what you're suggesting, I agree but the movie should still be uplifting and leave the audience with a sense of hope and optimism.

 

[jmc]

If we follow this, we'll have to say the same of Perry White, and who knows who else. I mean, you don't need to be a Pulitzer winner to realize in the real world.

I've mentioned this before but it's actually amazing how ordinary famous people can look in real life when they're not surrounded by glitz and glamour. On top of that, only a handful of people actually know what he looks like.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I've mentioned this before but it's actually amazing how ordinary famous people can look in real life when they're not surrounded by glitz and glamour. On top of that, only a handful of people actually know what he looks like.

Only a handful of people so far. And there will be many people who'll see him in person, not just through TV.

 

[sf2]

I remember I read a Byrne story with Luthor people and a computer telling him Superman is Clark and Luthor angry rejecting such theory.

Seriously, Luthor cannot be that stupid. At the very least he must compare two pictures or shoot a bullet at Clark first.

lol
you want humours or you want serious?

 

[Senator Pleasury]

lol
you want humours or you want serious?

I don't even know what you mean.

 

[sf2]

remind me to share this story

[SIZE=+1]The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey[/SIZE] A M[SIZE=-1]AN[/SIZE] and his son were once going with their Donkey to market. As they were walking along by its side a countryman passed them and said: “You fools, what is a Donkey for but to ride upon?”[SIZE=-2] 1[/SIZE] So the Man put the Boy on the Donkey and they went on their way. But soon they passed a group of men, one of whom said: “See that lazy youngster, he lets his father walk while he rides.”[SIZE=-2] 2[/SIZE] So the Man ordered his Boy to get off, and got on himself. But they hadn’t gone far when they passed two women, one of whom said to the other: “Shame on that lazy lout to let his poor little son trudge along.”[SIZE=-2] 3[/SIZE] Well, the Man didn’t know what to do, but at last he took his Boy up before him on the Donkey. By this time they had come to the town, and the passers-by began to jeer and point at them. The Man stopped and asked what they were scoffing at. The men said: “Aren’t you ashamed of yourself for overloading that poor Donkey of yours—you and your hulking son?”[SIZE=-2] 4[/SIZE] The Man and Boy got off and tried to think what to do. They thought and they thought, till at last they cut down a pole, tied the Donkey’s feet to it, and raised the pole and the Donkey to their shoulders. They went along amid the laughter of all who met them till they came to Market Bridge, when the Donkey, getting one of his feet loose, kicked out and caused the Boy to drop his end of the pole. In the struggle the Donkey fell over the bridge, and his fore-feet being tied together he was drowned.[SIZE=-2] 5[/SIZE] “That will teach you,” said an old man who had followed them:
[SIZE=-1]“PLEASE ALL, AND YOU WILL PLEASE NONE.”[/SIZE]
yes, please all, and you will please none!!!

 

[Senator Pleasury]

So... what did you mean?

 

[sf2]

So... what did you mean?

I remember I read a Byrne story with Luthor people and a computer telling him Superman is Clark and Luthor angry rejecting such theory.

this is humours. the audience would laugh at it. but you would complain it is illogical.

Seriously, Luthor cannot be that stupid. At the very least he must compare two pictures or shoot a bullet at Clark first.

this is logical and serious. but you would complain no homours, no fun.

got that?

you just wanna complain. and you got none.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

this is humours. the audience would laugh at it. but you would complain it is illogical.


this is logical and serious. but you would complain no homours, no fun.

got that?

you just wanna complain. and you got none.

So far I have expressed satisfaction that MOS didn't try to force humor over and over as 99% of superhero movies try. I quote myself about humor in MOS:

"I have to agree. I don't get this "need" for humor. It's like the "need" for a love interest in every superhero movie. I'm glad MOS had little humor in it, it was not needed."

I'm complaining at one story from comic books.

 

[sf2]

So far I have expressed satisfaction that MOS didn't try to force humor over and over as 99% of superhero movies try. I quote myself about humor in MOS:

"I have to agree. I don't get this "need" for humor. It's like the "need" for a love interest in every superhero movie. I'm glad MOS had little humor in it, it was not needed."

I'm complaining at one story from comic books.

sorry to lump you into the complaining group.

i just took yours (Lex's ignorance & arrogance in seeing clark as superman) as the example that you can't please all. if they would complain instead of enjoying it, no matter what you do.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But I don't think anyone would really even have photos of Supermans face. Think of all the encounters in Man of Steel... Apart from Lois, it was only really that army general who saw his face up close. I think for at least a little while, it's not that farfetched. I mean, most Superman action takes place up in the sky, at super speeds, in near wreckage. Even in the age of youtube and camera phones, I could believe no one getting a clear picture of his face, at least not clear enough that you could 'recognise' Clark as him. I mean, he's tall and with blackish/brownish hair. That's pretty generic.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Whether people got a good look at him or not during the battle, he is now from this point on arguably the most famous being in the world.

Even if he wasn't super-powered, he is the alien who is responsible essentially for bringing Zod and co. to earth to reveal that humans aren't alone. Every photog/journalist from TMZ to the New York Times would be gunning for his pictures and his story etc. and eventually they will get it, his picture at least.

Truthfully the only thing that really bothered me about comic/animated Clark is that every time super-man would go missing for anything Clark would also vanish and know one in a building full of journalists ever seems to put 2 and 2 together? Returns arguably falls into that as well.

 

[sf2]

Whether people got a good look at him or not during the battle, he is now from this point on arguably the most famous being in the world.

Even if he wasn't super-powered, he is the alien who is responsible essentially for bringing Zod and co. to earth to reveal that humans aren't alone. Every photog/journalist from TMZ to the New York Times would be gunning for his pictures and his story etc. and eventually they will get it, his picture at least.

Truthfully the only thing that really bothered me about comic/animated Clark is that every time super-man would go missing for anything Clark would also vanish and know one in a building full of journalists ever seems to put 2 and 2 together? Returns arguably falls into that as well.

Reeve's superman movies did the same.
and that's one of the fun parts watching it, don't you think?

btw, if MOS truly happened, would you suspect one of your colleagues as the alien, let say he is kinda good looking like Henry?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

The key word there is 'eventually' they would get it. EVENTUALLY. That can be in the second movie or the 3rd movie. The point is, it's a realistic outcome and thus would make an interesting plot point. That could have been what Clark tries and then he realises how difficult it is to have a secret identity. Instead of just airbrushing over the issue altogether.

That's what the Nolan Batman films did... The realism and grittiness stemmed from "How would a person actually do this and how would it affect them" not just from a muted colour palette and a broody protagonist.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

Only problem I had was that Clark does not react to the destruction of Metropolis, after he brought down the Kryptonian scoutship. He kisses Lois and then confronts Zod.

I would have loved a few seconds of him looking around and seeing all the deaths Zod has caused, maybe confront him on that.

"Look at what you've done! All those people! How can you do something like this!?"

Something like that, before Zod goes into his short monologue, of Clark having killed Kryptons last chance.

Oh and I could've done without the Mcguffin of the Kryptonian Codex. They could have just used the birth thingy on the scoutship for the same thing. There was no need for the codex being involved and it being stored in Clarks DNA. I really hope that doesn't come back in later movies.

Other than that, I am perfectly fine with the movie, even when those two exposition heavy scenes (first one with Jor-El and Clark before he gets the suit and then when he is on Zods ship) drag on a bit after multiple views, they both are important.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Also didn't Jor-El and his wife have a natural birth to get AWAY from the controlled, genetically adapted babies of Krypton? Isn't resting the hope and future of the race on the very thing he thought was BAD for the race kind of... odd?

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Not really, because this gives Superman the option to have "pure" Kryptonian babies

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But... Isn't that in line with what Zod wanted and against what Jor-El wanted? Hence why Kal is superior?

 

[Comics N' Toons]

i REALLY REALLY wish SuperDaniel was here so we could see what he thought about MOS. SuperDaniel and I became friends and he got banned and it would be nice to see what his opinion was!

 

[Human Torch]

From 2 dimensional to 3 dimensional in the span of two posts. A hero that cries, god forbid.

Superman doesn't need the somber tone that MOS had to be 3 dimensional.Superman did as much crying in the first two Reeve films,but they're still remembered as fun movies.

 

[sf2]

Superman doesn't need the somber tone that MOS had to be 3 dimensional.Superman did as much crying in the first two Reeve films,but they're still remembered as fun movies.

i thought MOS is fun and exciting. no?

 

[robot]

Superman doesn't need the somber tone that MOS had to be 3 dimensional.Superman did as much crying in the first two Reeve films,but they're still remembered as fun movies.

Actually, it's now 2 dimensional.. it's lacking the 3rd.. it's only got the somber/downer... doesn't have the upper/hope aspect...

I dont' know why we keep going from extreme to extreme.. like go nuts with campy jokes every other sentence, to 'cry, conflicted, emo' the entire time... Somehow Goyer managed to con some fans into thinking that 'down/dark/emo' = realistic... which it is not..

 

[tomoe]

Only problem I had was that Clark does not react to the destruction of Metropolis, after he brought down the Kryptonian scoutship. He kisses Lois and then confronts Zod.

I would have loved a few seconds of him looking around and seeing all the deaths Zod has caused, maybe confront him on that.

"Look at what you've done! All those people! How can you do something like this!?"

Something like that, before Zod goes into his short monologue, of Clark having killed Kryptons last chance.

Oh and I could've done without the Mcguffin of the Kryptonian Codex. They could have just used the birth thingy on the scoutship for the same thing. There was no need for the codex being involved and it being stored in Clarks DNA. I really hope that doesn't come back in later movies.

Other than that, I am perfectly fine with the movie, even when those two exposition heavy scenes (first one with Jor-El and Clark before he gets the suit and then when he is on Zods ship) drag on a bit after multiple views, they both are important.

Eeeghh... that dialogue sounds really cheesy. I think him and Lois looking around horrified would have been sufficient. Or something short, like just the "all those people...." part of your quote before Zod comes in with his grand speech. But no... it's like we have shoehorn a kiss in somewhere in the movie... Except I can't think of a single good place or time for them to kiss in that movie, so they should have just left it out altogether.