The Amazing Spider-Man What do you want out of Spider-man 4???

[LightningFlash]

Me too. Skip the Lizard or make him a filler. MacGargan should be the main villain.

Sympathetic villains:
- Lizard
- Kraven
- Electro
- Rhino

Unsympathetic villains:
- Shocker
- Scorpion
- Carnage (leave it for the fifth).

Weirdos
- Mysterio
- Vulture

So my pick for the villain is Scorpion, mercenary who turns the table on his boss. Cletus Cassidy for next one.

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?

 

[spider-neil]

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?

exactly, very confusing.

 

[Leenie]

What I want:
- Lizard. 'Nuff said!
- Let Peter and MJ stay together. I hate that they're not together in the comics right now, so why should the movies tick me off as well? To each their own.
- MJ not being kidnapped. It would be overkill for the 4th time in a row.
- Going back to basics (like in the first two EXCELLENT movies). No cluttered storylines.

I feel optimistic about this movie, overall. It seems that the decisions being made are more careful this time around. Like I've said a million times over the past two years, I do like Spider-Man 3. It just wasn't up to par with the first two movies. I want this movie to be as good as the first two films if that means the whiny fanboys will finally shut up about Spidey 3.

 

[spider-neil]

I want less MJ. yes, pete loves MJ we get, move on ffs.
if the villian is indeed lizard then all the emotional depth can come from the conners family. the people in peril should be the conners family.
I would have no problem whatsoever if pete flew to florida and spent the entire movie there. no mj, no bugle, brief cameo by jjj and robbie but in a small scene as pete negotiates his plane fare.

it's called 'spider-man' so lets see some spider-man.

 

[TheSlag]

Ship MJ to Florida. Heck, why stop there, ship her (Kirsten) to Sibera. t:

Spider-Man should always be in NYC. His powers are best suited for him there (tall buildings, canyons to swing through), and NYC=Spider-Man in my book. And I love that New York is the background for all the Spider-Man movies.

The only thing I would add is, shoot it (at least partially) in Winter in NYC. It is something I have always wanted to see and could add so much to the storyline... Winter=death... Spring = Life, new beginnings, etc.

As well as, with the Lizard, and being cold blooded, could easily come into play in the storyline, with some good writers.

 

[chiefchirpa]

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?

For sympathetic Rhino check on Captain America Fallen Son. The comics, mind you. Then that Punisher issue when New Kraven capture all animal theme villains in his menagerie.

Kraven seems to be an addict than a pure evil. Addicted to hunting & trophy collection.

 

[Reikowolf]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer

 

[LightningFlash]

For sympathetic Rhino check on Captain America Fallen Son. The comics, mind you. Then that Punisher issue when New Kraven capture all animal theme villains in his menagerie.

Kraven seems to be an addict than a pure evil. Addicted to hunting & trophy collection.

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

 

[chiefchirpa]

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

Do you expect Raimi to break his trend of making sympathetic villains just because you think so?

 

[spider-neil]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer

to be honest I want to see less of the supporting cast and more of the villian(s).

 

[LightningFlash]

Do you expect Raimi to break his trend of making sympathetic villains just because you think so?

I only expect Raimi to make another boring Spidey film, which I know he will

 

[The Joker]

I only expect Raimi to make another boring Spidey film, which I know he will

If you seriously believe that you know it will be boring, then why are you here reading threads and engaging in discussions about movies that you find boring? We know you don't read the comics, as you've said yourself, so you can't care about Spider-Man from that perspective.

You either enjoy wasting your time on things you dislike, or you're here just to complain all the time. Either way it's stupid.

 

[TheSlag]

If you seriously believe that you know it will be boring, then why are you here reading threads and engaging in discussions about movies that you find boring? We know you don't read the comics, as you've said yourself, so you can't care about Spider-Man from that perspective.

You either enjoy wasting your time on things you dislike, or you're here just to complain all the time. Either way it's stupid.

Agreed. LF no one is saying you cannot, nor should not, be critical of aspects of the Spider-Man movies, especially SM3, but overall it does seem you dislike or at best, have little interest in the character as a whole.

And trust me, I not the #1 fan of the Raimi Fan Club saying this either, but I hope and pray SM4 will be good. As many things were wrong with SM3, I still enjoyed the movie. I was simply disappointed with how good I know it could have been.

 

[spider-neil]

which one of the spidey movies was boring? even the third one, disappointing, yes, but boring?

 

[shinlyle]

I'll never understand some people.

Seriously? Make the costume closer to the comic? It doesn't get much closer!(and most artists don't even draw the web-wings anymore) Drag me to Hell looks like crap? It's got 100% positive reviews, last time I checked! Reboot the franchise that has made a couple billion dollars because you didn't like the third movie? That's like asking Coca-Cola to go back to "New Coke".

Wow. You give fanboys a bad name!

3 wasn't great, but it was far from horrible. It just couldn't touch the greatness of part 2 or the wonder of the original.

Honestly, I've really gotten a kick out of listening to the haters complain for the past two years. Rebooting the franchise...hilarious!

What's funnier is the fact that every single hater probably has all 3 films on collector's edition DVD or Blu-ray.




Now, joking aside, here's what I want from part 4:

1- More character development.

2- One or Two villians at the most.

3- A great climax.

4- Definitely a little more depth given to his other supporting cast members, not just MJ.

5- Maybe have MJ out of the picture for a while, nothing against Dunst, but Peter has had more relationships than just her, and should be allowed to explore that!

6- Maybe have a storyline akin to Kraven's Last Hunt, with the Lizard in place of Vermin, or maybe have Peter investigating the Lizard for the Bugle with Betty Brant, and have a relationship form between the two of them...which would give Elizabeth Banks more screentime...

7- Give us some fodder for Spidey to whoop up on! We all know that Rhino, Shocker and some others couldn't hold a movie on their own, so why not open the film with Spidey tangling with one of them? Have a quick battle with another villian (one of the things I enjoyed about TDK), and that can tide us over a bit for the characters to develop. Just an idea!

8- How about a little more Spidey in costume. I think we could get some more of Peter in the suit talking to himself or some other little quirky aspects...the things that made the comics so great.

9- DO NOT MAKE IT DARKER. SM-3 was a little darker, but not too much. Even if they do a Kraven's Last Hunt scenario for part 4, they can lighten it up without having a dance scene in a jazz club(the most cringe-worthy scene in SM3, to me, even moreso than him dancing in the streets).

10- Maybe SOny should leave Raimi alone to make the movie. They got their hands all on 3, and they watered down what may have been a great movie, instead of a mediocre one.

 

[shinlyle]

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

Also, the Spider-Man: Tangled Web two parter, "Flowers for Rhino", and the Spider-Man Family story that was there recently that featured him getting care for his mother/grandmother(I can't remember which one). Or, any storyline that deals with the fact that Rhino is PERMANENTLY trapped in his Rhino-suit, and removing it could cause his death.

 

[MrShifty]

Also, the Spider-Man: Tangled Web two parter, "Flowers for Rhino", and the Spider-Man Family story that was there recently that featured him getting care for his mother/grandmother(I can't remember which one). Or, any storyline that deals with the fact that Rhino is PERMANENTLY trapped in his Rhino-suit, and removing it could cause his death.

or in the Death Of Captain America mini where he was visiting his mother's grave.




The one thing I would love to see is the wise cracks. The wise cracks are part of what makes Spider-Man my favorite character. Just to see the annoyance of his villains to his wise cracks is great.

I don't think anyone is saying we don't like Mary Jane. We just don't like how she's portrayed as sort of a *****. Let the story not be tied down so much by the romance. While I'm all for a married Peter Parker. The movies seriously focuses on MJ/Peter relationshipp a little bit too much.

 

[Spider-Ranger]

First off, I love details, so my short list focusses on them:

- give Peter a shorter hair cut!
- force Tobey into a hard workout to get into shape for the next film!
- give MJ a darker red for her hair, fringe hairdo!
- MJ has to be HOT! so NO granny look!
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[LightningFlash]

Kill off MJ in the first second of the movie.

 

[Metal Spidey]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer

How?

 

[protocida]

. The love triangle between Peter, MJ and Gwen being developed.

. Peter becoming full-time photograper for the Daily Bugle, and interacting more with Jameson, Robbie, Betty and Hoffman.

. Aunt May revealing she knows he's Spider-Man.

. Spider-Man being, again, hated by N.Y. because of Venom.

. Spider-Man showcasing his powers more.

. Spidey fighting thugs in the beginning of the movie.

. Final Swing.

. Morbius and Lizard as the villains, with Lizard being the simpathetyc villain and Morbius being the unsimpathetyc villain.

. Great fights.

. Comedy.

. Wisecracking Spidey.

. Spidey fighting Lizard to save the Connors.

. Captain Stacy and Spidey teaming up (Maybe Morbius kills him?).

. Web-action!

. Peter showcasing his inteligence.

. Stan Lee as the Marvel Comics editor, publishing Spidey-based comic books.

. Door to a sequel.

 

[weezerspider]

1.more Spidey
2.1 or 2 villains. 1 villain could be in an opening fight scene.
3.comedy mixed in an overall, serious movie. kinda like Iron man and too a lesser extend, sm2
4.spidey being funny
5.if characters are used, develope them.
6.Spidey wakes up from the nightmare that was spiderman 3. its the day after sm2 and we start sm3 from scratch. Venom isn't in it. Sandman's not Uncle Ben's killer. "evil" Spidey doesn't dance to James Brown.

ok, the last one was a joke

 

[chiefchirpa]

Morbius can't be unsympathetic because he's kinda of an anti hero then & now. The most recent Morbius story is about him leading an anti-zombie force.

 

[shinlyle]

Kill off MJ in the first second of the movie.

...or not!!


Honestly, I'd be fine with them recasting Dunst as MJ. I'd also be fine with them leaving her as MJ. The thing I really want is for them to NOT make her character such a beeyatch in this film. Maybe make her more independant, as opposed to having only Peter for support.

You want to start a deviously funny twist? Have MJ and Gwen become casual friends, and Peter has to deal with a girl he has feelings for hanging around
with his current girlfriend. I can imagine Peter faking his Spider-sense going off just to get out of that uncomfortable situation!!t:

 

[Construct]

Very simple and a partial repost of this:

Characters/Events:
The Lizard
Kraven
Man-Spider
MJ and Peter taking a break
Showcases of Peter's scientific prowess
Major deaths
Cemetery battle