The Dark Knight Rises What if it takes place between BB and TDK?

[Rocketman]

By all means, close this thread if it's stupid. I'm just having fun and speculating here. Don't take it too seriously, or do.

We know that Nolan likes to manipulate time and play with audience perception (Memento, The Prestige, Inception), so what if TDKR takes place in the 6 months prior to TDK, only we don't know that until the ending? We assume it's after TDK for the entire film, only until the final minutes.

League of Shadows, Talia, Alberto Falcone - all directly connected to Batman Begins with no connection to The Dark Knight.

We know that Two-Face and The Joker can't come back, particularly The Joker because of Heath Ledger's passing. How do you acknowledge his existence without being able to see him? How do you make it a stand-alone film?

We know that BB and TDK, for the majority of their time, took place within a short amount of time. TDK arguably took place within a few DAYS. If you have 6 months to play with, Catwoman and Bane aren't entirely impossible.

When I envision the surprise twist ending (which Nolan likes), I imagine the final scenes showing a Maggie Gyllenhaal cameo (indicating that Rachel is still alive, which immediately confuses the audience), then showing an Aaron Eckhart cameo (in which Harvey Dent's face is not scarred), Gordon talking about catching "this Joker guy", and Salvatore Maroni (Eric Roberts) taking the mob throne from JGL's Alberto Falcone after he's killed. It would throw the audience completely off guard.

How is that "Nolan's END to the trilogy"? It COULD technically still be an ending to the trilogy even though it takes place between two films, with TDK being the true ending (which is suitable to me, since TDK's ending perfectly sums up who Batman is).

Again, a 6 month timespan is plenty to introduce Catwoman and Bane as minor threats to Batman, especially if it focuses on 1 month, 5 months before TDK, giving the people of Gotham and Bruce to now focus their attention on The Joker, and pay little acknowledgement to the Catwoman and Bane characters from 5 months ago.

It's insane and implausible, but I still think it's cool. Hate me if you wish.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

One problem, if Batman indeed falls in love with Catwoman, why would he go back to Rachel. Where would Catwoman be anyway?

Other than that, a cool idea.

 

[Rocketman]

1. Who said that Batman is going to fall in love with Catwoman?
2. What if Catwoman dies? (Nolan doesn't mind killing off villains)
3. What if Catwoman leaves Gotham and Bruce moves on?

 

[Travesty]

Hate me if you wish.

Rocketman!!!!!!!



But seriously, I don't think the movie will take place before TDK. They may have some flashbacks, and show Dent, but that may be it. I think the story will take place after the events of TDK.

 

[Sith Scotti]

1 So to close out the final film they go with a prequel rather than tie up loose ends like Bats being an outlaw?

2Catwoman dies and there is no mention in TDK ?

3 NO NO No

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Plus one of the bigger arcs that most are waiting for is outlaw Batman

Batman is always an oulaw.

 

[bgates87]

It's an interesting idea, but very unlikely in my opinion.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Batman is always an oulaw.

Not to the extent of being wanted for Murder

 

[Rocketman]

I never said Catwoman would actually die. What if she just left Gotham, or faked her death?

 

[kvz5]

I can see them having some scenes that happened in between the BB and TDK days (like for example Bruce first meeting Selina and Holly while he was still on his very early Batman days and going undercover in the Narrows - they can incorporate that scene where Holly stabbed him on the leg) but not the entire film.

 

[weezerspider]

While I will say that this is 99.9% not going to happen, I LOVE this idea. I think it would be a great way to deal with the lack of The Joker's presence. Also the ending of TDK as the trilogy is pretty awesome. As for lose ends not being tied up......Batman has always been an outlaw and I pretty sure at some point or another he HAS been accused of murder.

 

[Rocketman]

While I will say that this is 99.9% not going to happen, I LOVE this idea. I think it would be a great way to deal with the lack of The Joker's presence. Also the ending of TDK as the trilogy is pretty awesome. As for lose ends not being tied up......Batman has always been an outlaw and I pretty sure at some point or another he HAS been accused of murder.

Exactly what I'm saying. I KNOW it won't happen (I'll see your 99.9% and raise you to 100%), but it's a cool idea regardless.

... Although it makes one wonder why WB was so nervous about the script being so bold and ambitious. And why they're being so ridiculously secretive about the whole thing (moreso than ever).

Even if I'm outrageously wrong here (and I'm confident that I am), I STILL think there's a big element to this film that we don't know yet. I still feel like there's a missing piece to TDKR, and it's a really big, surprising piece. I have no idea what that means, but I still feel like something's missing, based on the little information we have so far. The whole movie (so far, mind you) seems too "simple" for Nolan. It feels like, "Eh, part 3, ending the trilogy, Catwoman, Bane. Whatever. Hope you enjoy it." There has to be something else. It's why I love the "Broken Bat" storyline so much, and I sincerely hope it happens.

 

[Sith Scotti]

So because there is no Joker we must turn the clock backwards with a prewuel to end the trilogy ? No thank You . Lets not get cute with the ideas . The trilogy needs resoloution . Batman needs some sort of redemtiomn after TDK , going backwards does nothing to resolve these matters

 

[weezerspider]

Exactly what I'm saying. I KNOW it won't happen (I'll see your 99.9% and raise you to 100%), but it's a cool idea regardless.

... Although it makes one wonder why WB was so nervous about the script being so bold and ambitious. And why they're being so ridiculously secretive about the whole thing (moreso than ever).

Hell the title makes since.

1. Batman Begins- he, you know, begins his crime fighting career.
2. The Dark Knight Rises- Batman rises from beginning crime fighter to Gotham's protector
3. The Dark Knight- After the whole Joker/Two-face deal, he solidifies himself as The Dark Knight!

EDIT: What if the last scene (after showing the Rachel and Dent cameo) was the opening scene in The Dark Knight where the window busts. That way it would make it clear that it is in fact between BB and TDK. They would have to mention The Joker several times in the movie due to the ending of BB, but clever writing would make the audience think they are talking about the events of TDK, when in fact they are talking about the random crimes The Joker is committing between BB and TDK.

Before anyone yells at me for being dumb, I KNOW ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

 

[Rocketman]

Hell the title makes sense.

1. Batman Begins- he, you know, begins his crime fighting career.
2. The Dark Knight Rises- Batman rises from beginning crime fighter to Gotham's protector
3. The Dark Knight- After the whole Joker/Two-face deal, he solidifies himself as The Dark Knight!

Before anyone yells at me for being dumb, I KNOW ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

I was JUST thinking that. It's almost creepy, lol.

Also, Aaron Eckhart meeting with Nolan twice, anyone? Eckhart's coy smile as to whether Two-Face is returning? Nobody asked if Unscarred Harvey Dent is returning, lol. Gary Oldman mentioning how this brings the trilogy back to Batman Begins, how it comes full circle, anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Rocketman]

EDIT: What if the last scene (after showing the Rachel and Dent cameo) was the opening scene in The Dark Knight where the window busts. That way it would make it clear that it is in fact between BB and TDK. They would have to mention The Joker several times in the movie due to the ending of BB, but clever writing would make the audience think they are talking about the events of TDK, when in fact they are talking about the random crimes The Joker is committing between BB and TDK.

That's a classic Nolan twist, in my opinion.

 

[weezerspider]

That's a classic Nolan twist, in my opinion.

Yeah it could be pretty cool. That said, Im sure what Nolan's actually doing is 10000x better hahaha

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Didn't Nolan say he was "finishing Bruce Wayne's story".

 

[Symbiotic]

I actually wouldn't be against this idea all that much, but I want resolution to the "Dent killings" plot. If it wasn't for that, I'd have no real reservations about TDKR being an interquel.

 

[the amazing fro]

While an interesting theory, I think the story that follows after TDK's cliffhanger is a far more intriguing place to take the film.

 

[jmc]

The problem is, as with all prequels, is that you kinda know how it ends and where the story goes from there. No chance of this happening.

 

[the Wankstar]

Catwoman could be in Rome

 

[Jackasscoley15]

I don't see how the prequel aspect would be a 'twist' ending, so to speak. Wouldn't the audience pick up on that if Batman is running around with his old suit and an undamaged Tumbler?

 

[Tojo]

It's not going to happen, but nevertheless i don't like the idea;

This is because of how TDK ended.....with Batman being chased by the cops, and probably other organisations(FBI, Mafia etc). Making a prequel would literally ruin all that glorious potential. Who does not want to see Batman attempting to do his work, while all the time being chased and hounded, and have the public see him as a murdering vigilante? AMAZING potential for a tie up 3rd film, and no story revolving around Selina could come close to what Nolan could do with that.

I am 100% positive that the film will take place roughly 6 months after the final shot of TDK, with Bruce recovered from his gunshot wound, 'amendments to the southeast corner' well under way, moving back into Wayne manor, and at the end, possibly a city sized riot with all the freaks of Arkham, the mafia and the police engaged in one massive face off. Good opportunity to take the new car for a spin.

 

[Tojo]

I don't see how the prequel aspect would be a 'twist' ending, so to speak. Wouldn't the audience pick up on that if Batman is running around with his old suit and an undamaged Tumbler?

I think you are overestimating the mental capabilities of the cinema going mainstream. Only fanboys would notice such a thing.