What if Scarface were remade again?

[TheDreamMaster]

I believe it's been embraced more by rap singers not because it's a "negro" film but because most rap stars grew up in poverty and can relate to coming from nothing to rising to fame or power in the case of Tony Montana.

And I agree that most kids look up to Scarface for all the wrong reasons, sure Tony is a badass but he was a criminal first.

I am not trying to defend or oppose either side of the argument, but I can see s certain angle where the "negro anthem" poster was coming from. By that I mean stores like LA Fashion Jewelers that cater more heavily to the African American crowd, seem to always have a stock of "blinged out" Tony Montana shirts in various styles. My knowledge of rap is very limited, so I can't comment on that part, but I do think some people like the film for the wrong reasons.

 

[Jager X]

Well you really had nothing intelligent to say

Seriously though, you called Scarface a negro anthem based on a few rappers and some little black kids. How many rappers or little black kids does it take to make Scarface a negro anthem in your mind? What's your sample size? 5? 10? 20? What kind of number are you generalizing with?

Not so much that I had nothing intelligent to say but that you seem too stupid to understand any of it. It is ok really.

 

[Jager X]

Well you really had nothing intelligent to say

Seriously though, you called Scarface a negro anthem based on a few rappers and some little black kids. How many rappers or little black kids does it take to make Scarface a negro anthem in your mind? What's your sample size? 5? 10? 20? What kind of number are you generalizing with?

Not so much that I had nothing intelligent to say but that you seem too stupid to understand any of it. It is ok really.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Not so much that I had nothing intelligent to say but that you seem too stupid to understand any of it. It is ok really.

Stop hiding behind pathetic insults and just answer the question. What kind of sample size are you using for your negro anthem claim? How many "countless" little black kids have you interviewed?

 

[Jager X]

Stop hiding behind pathetic insults and just answer the question. What kind of sample size are you using for your negro anthem claim? How many "countless" little black kids have you interviewed?

I have answered your question already, it is not my fault that your hangups on words blind you from it. I have explained my stance TWICE. It is not written in heiroglyphs. Take your head out of your rectum, and maybe I will treat you like you belong higher on the evolutionary ladder.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I have answered your question already, it is not my fault that your hangups on words blind you from it. I have explained my stance TWICE. It is not written in heiroglyphs. Take your head out of your rectum, and maybe I will treat you like you belong higher on the evolutionary latter.

I think the word you meant was "ladder". And why are you getting so emotional? I just really want to know how many little black kids you interviewed about Scarface to come up with your negro anthem generalization. You keep hiding behind these petty insults which I'm not responding to in case you haven't noticed by now. What's the sample size man?

 

[Judge Holden]

I can see what he is saying. People from poor backgrounds, involved in the gangster life, doesn't matter what race they are, can relate to Tony Montana. He started at the bottom and rose to the top.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I think we can all agree that the 1983 movie failed as what it wanted to be: an epic crime drama. Even with its length it manages to feature only shallow characters and all the aspects of the story aren't explored at all. Tony kills somebody and the next moment he already is the "big thing" and so on. Scarface is a cult movie, but the only thing it really offers is Pacino's performance.

It's just a cheesy movie. Today it just looks like an overblown and violent episode of Miami Vice. I recommend everyone to watch the 1932 movie.

 

[Jager X]

I think the word you meant was "ladder". And why are you getting so emotional? I just really want to know how many little black kids you interviewed about Scarface to come up with your negro anthem generalization. You keep hiding behind these petty insults which I'm not responding to in case you haven't noticed by now. What's the sample size man?

What have I said that seems to suggest that I am getting emotional? If anything, you are acting insulted. You keep harping on me making generalized statements when I have done nothing of the sort. Also, you seem to conveniently ignore everything that I wrote to clarify my argument. Yet, you make demands for me to answer your question. Not going to give it to you.

 

[Octoberist]

I think we can all agree that the 1983 movie failed as what it wanted to be: an epic crime drama. Even with its length it manages to feature only shallow characters and all the aspects of the story aren't explored at all. Tony kills somebody and the next moment he already is the "big thing" and so on. Scarface is a cult movie, but the only thing it really offers is Pacino's performance.

It's just a cheesy movie. Today it just looks like an overblown and violent episode of Miami Vice. I recommend everyone to watch the 1932 movie.

i agree to a certain degree but nevertheless, it's entertaining as all heck, so I wouldn't be so dismissive.

 

[Jager X]

The movie is definately entertaining. I don't think anyone can deny that Tony's death scene is anything short of badass, and the line leading up to it has become one of the most iconic quotes in movie history.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

i agree to a certain degree but nevertheless, it's entertaining as all heck, so I wouldn't be so dismissive.

It's definitely entertaining, I won't deny that.

 

[Lone]

I thought American Gangster was a pretty good "remake" even though it's based on true events.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I too am a little sickened by the Hip Hop community raising Scarface on a pedastal; especially since gangsta's like him openly despised us blacks to begin with. You can just check out The Sopranos for how organizations like The Mafia views us Blacks.........

......anyhow, i seriously doubt they'll re-do Scareface. It'll be like re-making Gone With The Wind, or The God-Father; it'll be like trying to re-invent the wheel.

Was Scaface a huge thing with the Hip Hop community before New Jack City?

[For those who dont know, Mario Van Peebles' 1991 effort was similiar to Scarface thematically, only this time changing the protagonists from Cuban to Black, with Wesley Snipes' character Nino Brown even at one point seen as watching the movie on a cinema screen and idolising Tony Montana].

Was the link created by that movie (given New Jack's popularity in the Hip Hop scene) or did it exist beforehand?

 

[Brian Braddock]

I am not trying to defend or oppose either side of the argument, but I can see s certain angle where the "negro anthem" poster was coming from. By that I mean stores like LA Fashion Jewelers that cater more heavily to the African American crowd, seem to always have a stock of "blinged out" Tony Montana shirts in various styles. My knowledge of rap is very limited, so I can't comment on that part, but I do think some people like the film for the wrong reasons.

Here's another example:- I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched 'Cribs' and seen a Scarface poster/painting or heard a Scarface reference while they are in a Hip-Hop artists pad.

There's also Nas' song from Illmatic - 'The world is yours', heavilly influenced by Scarface.

 

[Bad Superman]

No to a Scarface remake. I read somewhere there were plans for a Son of Scarface film, that was a long time ago.

 

[Jager X]

Was Scaface a huge thing with the Hip Hop community before New Jack City?

[For those who dont know, Mario Van Peebles' 1991 effort was similiar to Scarface thematically, only this time changing the protagonists from Cuban to Black, with Wesley Snipes' character Nino Brown even at one point seen as watching the movie on a cinema screen and idolising Tony Montana].

Was the link created by that movie (given New Jack's popularity in the Hip Hop scene) or did it exist beforehand?

I think Scarface did not start accumalating popularity in the Hip Hop community until the late 90s/early 00s. I could be wrong, but growing up Scarface did not get as much recognition as it is now in any community.

As for New Jack City, it definately does not get much recognition from anyone. And I think the reason for that is because it hits too close to home. A VERY good film, in my opinion, but may be too much for alot of people. I talk to a lot of the older generation, and they all hate New Jack City with a passion simply because they have witnessed the destruction crack has caused to their community and can connect many individuals to certain characters in the movie.

 

[Jager X]

Here's another example:- I've lost count of the amount of times I've watched 'Cribs' and seen a Scarface poster/painting or heard a Scarface reference while they are in a Hip-Hop artists pad.

There's also Nas' song from Illmatic - 'The world is yours', heavilly influenced by Scarface.

They even have a documentary on Scarface and his influence in Hip Hop. It aired on BET, if I recall. Sitting there watching the lot of these rappers totally miss the mark on what Scarface was about was astounding. I mean, not ONE so much as mentioned his flaws as a human being. Sad really.

Oh, and speaking of Cribs, I have gained a lot a respect for Lil Jon after watching him on the show. There was one part of his segment where he was showing off his DVD collection and he pulls out "Radio" while stating, "Not all rappers watch Scarface." I was crying lauging at that one.t:

 

[Kurosawa]

I think we can all agree that the 1983 movie failed as what it wanted to be: an epic crime drama. Even with its length it manages to feature only shallow characters and all the aspects of the story aren't explored at all. Tony kills somebody and the next moment he already is the "big thing" and so on. Scarface is a cult movie, but the only thing it really offers is Pacino's performance.

It's just a cheesy movie. Today it just looks like an overblown and violent episode of Miami Vice. I recommend everyone to watch the 1932 movie.

It's one of the most overrated movies of all time, IMO. It's practically a parody. It's good to laugh at because of how incredibly stupid it is and that's about it.

That said, everytime I see it on TV I end up watching at least a little of it.

 

[Figs]

I think the word you meant was "ladder". And why are you getting so emotional? I just really want to know how many little black kids you interviewed about Scarface to come up with your negro anthem generalization. You keep hiding behind these petty insults which I'm not responding to in case you haven't noticed by now. What's the sample size man?

Not necessarily trying to defend Jager X, although I do see is point and agree with it to an extent but your argument about how many black kids he's interviewed is ridiculous.

Wake up and open your eyes and see just how many kids, young and older, are wearing Scarface shirts/clothing. I don't agree with calling the movie a "negro anthem" because I see just as many hispanics and even white boys who think they're from the hood or "urban" just because it's been the cool thing since the late '80s wearing Scarface stuff as well.

They even have a documentary on Scarface and his influence in Hip Hop. It aired on BET, if I recall. Sitting there watching the lot of these rappers totally miss the mark on what Scarface was about was astounding. I mean, not ONE so much as mentioned his flaws as a human being. Sad really.

That's because they like the film simply because of the drugs and violence. It's all about being a murdering hardcore gangsta.

I find it hilarious a lot of these rappers that look up not only to that film but old school mafias because when it came to old Italian Mafia, they had a bit of respect and rules and they actually seemed to know how to fire guns. Now days these guys are so F'ing stupid they hold their guns sideways and just spray all over the place since they don't really know how to use them, which is why so many innocent people die in the ghetto's.

As for the movie, I only watched the Pacino verson to see his performance and the movie isn't really worth a second viewing.

 

[Alchemyst]

Not necessarily trying to defend Jager X, although I do see is point and agree with it to an extent but your argument about how many black kids he's interviewed is ridiculous.

Wake up and open your eyes and see just how many kids, young and older, are wearing Scarface shirts/clothing. I don't agree with calling the movie a "negro anthem" because I see just as many hispanics and even white boys who think they're from the hood or "urban" just because it's been the cool thing since the late '80s wearing Scarface stuff as well.



That's because they like the film simply because of the drugs and violence. It's all about being a murdering hardcore gangsta.

I find it hilarious a lot of these rappers that look up not only to that film but old school mafias because when it came to old Italian Mafia, they had a bit of respect and rules and they actually seemed to know how to fire guns. Now days these guys are so F'ing stupid they hold their guns sideways and just spray all over the place since they don't really know how to use them, which is why so many innocent people die in the ghetto's.

As for the movie, I only watched the Pacino verson to see his performance and the movie isn't really worth a second viewing.

I agree, I've only watched the movie a few times. IMO, the film itself glamorizes the whole being a big time drug dealer, rising from poverty and becoming wealthy and what not. That alone is why more rappers gravitate towards using Scarface as a reference to their success. And with todays generation, those who watch Scarface love the movie for all of the negative aspects of Tony Montana, they almost never look at the multiple risk that he was taking, we have enough people out in the world trying to emulate this lifestyle already, NO TO A REMAKE!!!!!!!

 

[BigCityBoy]

The movie is definately entertaining. I don't think anyone can deny that Tony's death scene is anything short of badass, and the line leading up to it has become one of the most iconic quotes in movie history.

Thats the only, sole reason why I own the movie on dvd. I bought the dvd on sale for $5.99 a few years ago and that final sequence with Tony shooting up everyone was worth paying that amount. The scene is so epic and compelling!

 

[The Executioner]

I say they shoud remake the film and make it be a great gangster film like how the 1932 version was and have the movie be directed by Micheal Mann who did a really good job with Public Enemies.

 

[LoganGambit87]

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[Perfect Cell]

Wow, this thread was something else.

Anyways, does anyone remember the Scarface video game, that was a sequel to the movie, where Tony miraculously survives? You could get him eaten by a shark in that game. Good times.