What is Captain America's limitations compared to the rest of the characters in MCU?

[MbJ]

drax was my favorite guardian, but i don't like when they change 1. the powers the characters have and 2. their origins.

it's the counter argument to saying MCU cap is different from comic cap. that's obvious and common knowledge, but cap is supposed to mirror the character from the comics.

That's something you're gonna have to live with, I think. They've been changing stuff since the beginning of the MCU and they probably are gonna keep doing it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That's something you're gonna have to live with, I think. They've been changing stuff since the beginning of the MCU and they probably are gonna keep doing it.

they can't change what's important, otherwise it wouldn't feel like a marvel universe anymore.

 

[MbJ]

they can't change what's important, otherwise it wouldn't feel like a marvel universe anymore.

What's important is gonna vary depending on person to person. The Avengers left out two founding members and people still watched it in droves and gave it rave reviews.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

What's important is gonna vary depending on person to person. The Avengers left out two founding members and people still watched it in droves and gave it rave reviews.

that's a given though. the fact that it happened at all is pretty historical for film in my opinion.

 

[Lantern Venom]

it isn't absolutely clear. perhaps he's in like the earliest stage of superhuman capability, still bordering what a human can and cannot do.

The motorcycle throw at the beginning of AoU made it completely clear, if it wasn't already. He hurled something that weighed several hundred pounds with such force that it stopped a truck and unseated the passengers. That is completely out of the realm of even theoretical human strength.

This is what a 500lb military press looks like--peak physical strength. Notice how slow and deliberate it is. This is the kind of feat that 99.9999% of people who have ever lived couldn't do. Does he look like he could toss the bar at an oncoming vehicle and overturn it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJHFTlGS3E

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The motorcycle throw at the beginning of AoU made it completely clear, if it wasn't already. He hurled something that weighed several hundred pounds with such force that it stopped a truck and unseated the passengers. That is completely out of the realm of even theoretical human strength.

This is what a 500lb military press looks like--peak physical strength. Notice how slow and deliberate it is. This is the kind of feat that 99.9999% of people who have ever lived couldn't do. Does he look like he could toss the bar at an oncoming vehicle and overturn it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJHFTlGS3E

then, in my opinion, mcu cap is an overpowered superhero.

 

[Loki882]

-He kicks people so hard that they go flying backwards like ten feet and hit a metal wall hard enough to dent it.
-He can leap out of a plane without a parachute, fall hundreds of feet into choppy, stormy ocean water (which would be like hitting concrete from that height) and emerge completely unharmed.
-He leaps out of a glass window falls hundreds more feet, crashes through a glass skylight, and hits a cement floor. And all it does is knock the wind out of him for a few seconds.
-He gets blasted by a grenade, flies off of a bridge, crashes through the window of a moving bus, which then crashes, and again is only briefly incapacitated.
-He can go toe to toe with Ultron, in his main body, and the fight is pretty even.
-He takes out a jet with only his shield and bare hands.
-He can get shot/stabbed repeatedly and recover much faster than normal people (which suggests at least a limited advanced healing factor).
-It's stated in an episodes of AOS that he could push around a massive piece of farm equipment that weighs several tons.
-Etc.

He's CLEARY superhuman in the MCU. You MIGHT have been able to debate that in TFA and TA. But TWS and AOU both make this crystal clear.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

^in which case, I consider him an overpowered superhero. i rest my case, and the case is closed.

there's nothing else to discuss here. a mod can feel free to lock this thread

 

[Bayne]

^in which case, I consider him an overpowered superhero. i rest my case, and the case is closed.

there's nothing else to discuss here. a mod can feel free to lock this thread

Because an unkillable god who can fly and fry everyone with lightning is perfectly acceptable, but a guy who's just kind of durable and relatively strong is 'overpowered'.

 

[TeeKay]

^in which case, I consider him an overpowered superhero. i rest my case, and the case is closed.

there's nothing else to discuss here. a mod can feel free to lock this thread

What about these guys?

When standing alongside those guys, Cap is the over powered one?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Because an unkillable god who can fly and fry everyone with lightning is perfectly acceptable, but a guy who's just kind of durable and relatively strong is 'overpowered'.

What about these guys?

When standing alongside those guys, Cap is the over powered one?

Yes. And I've already explained why I think he's overpowered. & that's the way I feel about it. There's nothing more to discuss here

 

[metaphysician]

Sure there is. You've made a statement, that is internally contradictory, and not backed it up with any logic. You might *choose* not to discuss anything here, but that's basically the same as going "I surrender the field, because I cannot support my position."

 

[Flint Marko]

Captain America is not "over-powered".

 

[OcStat]

Regarding the jump out of the elevator in TWS he goes into a fetal position and lands on his shield, curled up on it. So the shield absorbed that impact.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sure there is. You've made a statement, that is internally contradictory, and not backed it up with any logic. You might *choose* not to discuss anything here, but that's basically the same as going "I surrender the field, because I cannot support my position."

No there isn't. The question of this thread was what Cap's potential and limitations were, and that's been answered. Thus, there's nothing left to discuss.

The conclusion I draw out of that for myself is that he's an overpowered superhero in the MCU. I'd rather he wasn't a superhuman. We can go back and forth in a discussion about that, but I'm not "surrendering the field, because I cannot support my position" by any means. I stand by my opinion.

Captain America is not "over-powered".

Yes he is.

 

[metaphysician]

You can stand by your opinions all you want. That still doesn't make them facts, or internally consistent, or worthy of respect.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You can stand by your opinions all you want. That still doesn't make them facts,

i never declared it a fact, that's why I specifically said it is my opinion. Jesus

or internally consistent,

cap isn't a superhuman in the 616 comics, and he's superhuman in the mcu. He's overpowered to me because there are a lot of characters already tha have superhuman strength like they are supposed to, and it would've been refreshing to have a character without without superhuman strength but could still put up fights - I loved cap2 but one of the things I didn't enjoy about it was seeing cap get the upper hand most of the time in the fights with the winter soldier. Where's the inconsistency?

or worthy of respect.

wowwwww, you're going to make this personal now? Simply because I have an unpopular opinion and don't agree with everyone else?

Some meta physician you are

 

[Loki882]

He's superhuman in the Ultimate comics, which the MCU also draws quite a bit of inspiration from:

-Black SLJ Nick Fury.
-SHIELD being involved in bringing the team together.
-BW and Hawkeye being SHIELD agents, partners, and founding members of the team.
-Thor's beard.
-The Chitauri being involved in the team coming together as well.
-The Triskelion.
-Etc.

So technically, they ARE following the comics.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

He's superhuman in the Ultimate comics, which the MCU also draws quite a bit of inspiration from:

-Black SLJ Nick Fury.
-SHIELD being involved in bringing the team together.
-BW and Hawkeye being SHIELD agents, partners, and founding members of the team.
-Thor's beard.
-The Chitauri being involved in the team coming together as well.
-The Triskelion.
-Etc.

So technically, they ARE following the comics.

im aware that he's superhuman in the ultimate comics, but so is nick fury. Doesn't seem like they brought that aspect over to the MCU.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

As long as Cap isn't as powerful as Thor or The Hulk I don't see the issue.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

As long as Cap isn't as powerful as Thor or The Hulk I don't see the issue.

it's not an issue at all. I just would've found it more suspenseful and entertaining if he didn't have superhuman strength.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

it's not an issue at all. I just would've found it more suspenseful and entertaining if he didn't have superhuman strength.

You want Cap to be a Star Spangled Batman, is basically what you are saying.

 

[OcStat]

Spider-Man would have been way more suspenseful if he couldn't climb walls.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

You want Cap to be a Star Spangled Batman, is basically what you are saying.

no. batman is also a genius and a detective-tactician, and doesn't have a shield. a captain america with more of a limitation would be more entertaining to me.

Spider-Man would have been way more suspenseful if he couldn't climb walls.

this is quite obviously a mock post. spiderman wouldn't be spiderman if he wasn't climbing walls.

 

[Flint Marko]

Hes their leader. He needs to be able to keep up with a God, a man wearing a tank, and anger personified.