What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan?

[BATZARRO WWD]

If there was ever a time we wore sackcloth, and threw dirt on our heads...it's probably now.

Essentially, I think we're gonna have to make our DC movies now if we want them to exist.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

DC right now does not know what they are doing period. If they wanted too, the first thing that they should do is fire Geoff Johns from his position, put him as a consultant for the films. A filmaker or producer who has dealt with comic books properties like Avi Arad that has been around thruough most of Marvel properties for a long time. The answer here is Bruce Timm, he created the Batman, Superman, JLU and now the new GL series. Timm knows this characters like the back of his hand and he is willing to push the characters to diffrent levels as seen in JLU. He consistenly gave past, present and future charaters a stories that may not have sat well with fans, however, it pushed the bounderies of "Elseworlds," "What If," and multiple universe schemes.

Bruce Timm should be the one in charge of DC Films. Nolan obviously is only inmmersed on his believe of what "his" Batman should be which made him, WB and Christian Bale rich and famous beyond their wildest dreams. Christian Bale doesn't even want to relate to Batman anymore past the three films which is why is causing controversy since no one made him sign up for multiple deals to play Batman. RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth and the rest of the Marvel gang signed up for at least 6 or 7 films. Why didn't they planned out their films versions from the beginning. When Superman Return was even though off the guy who gave the okay should've listen to a comic book writer or editor and agreed or dissagree with Bryan Singer's idea cause now it seems as they are going back to square 2 (yes I mean two cause it seems like they are making Superman 2 again) since they are bringing the SAME VILLAINS AGAIN! Bottom line if they don't want to do what Marvel is doing they are doing a good job at it, and I'm not being sarcastic.

Again Timm would've done a much better job, deals, films and even animation than the mess that they are now. They should just get him and promote him now!!!

Bruce Timm if you are reading this, you should go up to the WB Boss and tell him to give you the job!!!

 

[mr jinx]

You didnt like Jonah Hex?

 

[Karelia]

I was saying the same about Bruce Timm. I have heard he prefers the animated side of WB, because their's more freedom. I'd love to see him help out on the live action though.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

I was saying the same about Bruce Timm. I have heard he prefers the animated side of WB, because their's more freedom. I'd love to see him help out on the live action though.

Avi Arad started with the Marvel Animation and now is CEO of Marvel Studios with Kevin Feige.

If FREEDOM IS what Timm wants, he should advocated it with the films. DC would've saved themselves headaches if Timm would've taking over the films himself. Films would've allow him to do anything that he wanted, hell, he wouldn't have to follow what he did in the JLU. Anything would've worked. At this point Johns needs to go and Lee needs to be second in command with Timm at the helm. DC Comics and WB needs to separate and allow DC to do the films as the should.

 

[The Batman]

^ Marvel Studios IS NOT WB. Just because Avi Arad went from animation to Ceo of film at MARVEL STUDIOS does not mean Timm could the same thing at WB. You dont know the inner workings of WB, so why're acting like you know for sure that the DC film division gives you more freedom, especially when you have a quote from a guy who actually WORKS AT WB telling you its not the case?

People need to stop acting like WB and Marvel are the same thing.

 

[MadVillainy]

I dont think Bruce TImm would be good. He should be the head of the animation department (which is what he is now right?)
and they should get another person, not a comic book writer, to head their film projects

 

[MadVillainy]

why do people get upset when people say DC should follow some things about Marvel's strategy. Of course DC isnt Marvel, but I mean clearly Marvel is doing something right that DC can learn from

 

[Rocketman]

Honestly, most of Marvel's movies suck. Green Lantern was nowhere near the level of X-Men 3, Wolverine, Spider-Man 3, or Elektra.

Granted, there's Catwoman and Jonah Hex, but DC overall has a more cohesive, ADULT-themed repertoire with WB than Marvel could ever wish to make:

- Batman Begins
- The Dark Knight
- Watchmen
- V For Vendetta

These are incredible movies.

The problem is that none of them have a future as a franchise. TDKR will come and go, and Nolan won't continue what he established.

So, in MY opinion, here's what they can easily do:

1. Nolan's Batman is over in 2012. Reboot it.
2. Use that new Batman actor in the Justice League.
3. Henry Cavill is Superman in 2012.
4. Use Henry Cavill in the Justice League movie.
5. Green Lantern isn't bombing. DC needs to trust this movie, and make Green Lantern 2 with Ryan Reynolds. Explore what was hinted at with Sinestro and the yellow ring. JUST MAKE THE DAMN SEQUEL. Don't worry about critics.
6. The Flash and Wonder Woman do not NEED solo movies. But if only one needs it, it's The Flash. Wonder Woman could easily be featured substantially in the JL movie.

5 YEAR PLAN:
2011: Green Lantern (already out, obviously)
2014: Green Lantern 2
2014: The Flash (though it's not needed)
2015: Batman Reboot
2015: Superman 2 (Cavill)
2016: Justice League

If we already have Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, and The Flash established in their solo movies, it would be much more comfortable to explore Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter respectively. Just like how Hawkeye or Black Widow aren't getting their own movies, yet they'll be featured prominently in The Avengers.

DC doesn't really have a problem. They just need to get all this **** together. It's not hard. It just needs to be decided.

 

[Tony Stark]

Outside of the Nolan films, DC is an absolute mess film wise. If you ignore this, then you're just ignoring reality.

Green Lantern established? Green Lantern had lower attendance than Ghost Rider and Daredevil, two films that were released in February!

Green Lantern is that bad. It's nipples on the Batsuit bad. What should have been an out of the park home run is nothing but a sacrifice bunt, completely uninspired and derivative.

I've been saying this for years, but WB need to get out of the way and have Legendary Pictures produce all DC related properties and have full autonomy. WB only needs to be used for distribution and nothing else.

 

[Octoberist]

I hate to say it
but Green Lantern is a mess..

 

[Kyle Rayner]

^ Marvel Studios IS NOT WB. Just because Avi Arad went from animation to Ceo of film at MARVEL STUDIOS does not mean Timm could the same thing at WB. You dont know the inner workings of WB, so why're acting like you know for sure that the DC film division gives you more freedom, especially when you have a quote from a guy who actually WORKS AT WB telling you its not the case?

People need to stop acting like WB and Marvel are the same thing.

Look, I don't care about how Marvel works. I care at the fact that there's characters that have been part of a company for almost a century and they keep pushing out the same guys every other year just because they want to see a buck. The only reason why I want Timm to take over DC Film Properties is because the last 20 years all he has done is build the animated DCU that we all know and grew with. Also the fact that after DCU was done and over they continued making other films out of the DCU while others just moved away from DCU.


For that matter I don't know how DC/WB works inside, I can tell by looking outside as a fan that they don't care.


As of recently it was WB that wanted to give it a get go to the JL film for a 2012 release. With that said if Marvel had everything building up separately from the beginning leading to the Avengers. WB didn't have a clue, if they did it would've shown in every single comic book/entertaitment website in the world after the Batman Begins started rolling. It's not comparison, those are facts.

Bottom line, expectations are high from the fans. Still nothing from any other DC character and Marvel is still in high gear.

 

[TheVileOne]

Avi Arad left Marvel though in 2006. It's Kevin Feige in charge of Marvel Studios now though.

I honestly wouldn't mind if Timm could be part of like an executive team, but probably not be the Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment. I just think the current strategy right now isn't working.

 

[The Batman]

Look, I don't care about how Marvel works. I care at the fact that there's characters that have been part of a company for almost a century and they keep pushing out the same guys every other year just because they want to see a buck. The only reason why I want Timm to take over DC Film Properties is because the last 20 years all he has done is build the animated DCU that we all know and grew with. Also the fact that after DCU was done and over they continued making other films out of the DCU while others just moved away from DCU.


For that matter I don't know how DC/WB works inside, I can tell by looking outside as a fan that they don't care.


As of recently it was WB that wanted to give it a get go to the JL film for a 2012 release. With that said if Marvel had everything building up separately from the beginning leading to the Avengers. WB didn't have a clue, if they did it would've shown in every single comic book/entertaitment website in the world after the Batman Begins started rolling. It's not comparison, those are facts.

Bottom line, expectations are high from the fans. Still nothing from any other DC character and Marvel is still in high gear.

Why the long post? You might as well just say you're an upset fan who's blowing smoke. I'm just taking issue with the fact that you assume Bruce Timm could easily take over the film division when its clearly not the case, and clearly not what he wants to do.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Why the long post? You might as well just say you're an upset fan who's blowing smoke. I'm just taking issue with the fact that you assume Bruce Timm could easily take over the film division when its clearly not the case, and clearly not what he wants to do.

Okay, I'm stating the fact that if DC went to do more movies based on properties that they have owned forever it should be someone with the visualization, experience, knowledge and boldness to take the characters to new levels. Timm is a name that most fans will acknowledge since he has been around the characters the most.

You obviously workship Batman, is a hell of a character, everyone loves the character. So far Nolan has done the best Batman in ages and it will take a long time for something like that to happen again. I want to see other characters like Flash, WW, Aquaman the rest of the JL hell even JSA. I am a fan, I love the characters that DC has put on print, I just want to see them in film who's better for that than Timm.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

Avi Arad left Marvel though in 2006. It's Kevin Feige in charge of Marvel Studios now though.

I honestly wouldn't mind if Timm could be part of like an executive team, but probably not be the Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment. I just think the current strategy right now isn't working.

Oh dude, I know that about Arad but does stay around helping Feige with ideas for the films like Iron Man, Thor, Cap and the Avengers.

I really don't know where DC's strategy may go to. People need to be stepping to the plate and deliver. I mean there has to be someone in that room saying "This needs to work" or "This doesn't work lets try something better." At this point who know who knows.

 

[Micromind]

Basic plan of DC Entertainment :"To have no plan is the plan".

 

[TheVileOne]

Kyle, I think its that Arad is still the producer of all the stuff he set up before he left which I'm not sure if it includes Avengers or not.

 

[Airwings]

Rocketman: What are you talking about? The Flash and Wonder Woman NEED solo films. I mean, come on, they are top-5 characters in DC Comics.
Surely, you must understand this? Are you serious that DC should only have three of their heroes on the big screen? And Marvel have as many as one can't count them? Geez, give this a second thought, bro.

 

[J.Howlett]

DC doesn't really have a problem. They just need to get all this **** together. It's not hard. It just needs to be decided.

That decision is based on cash. Look, I liked Green Lantern, warts and all, but you don't spend sequel money on the first film. Having said that, I think the mere concept of Green Lantern was going to be expensive no matter.

Even with all of that, because Green Lantern is going to lose money for the studio, they can't be a free with their decisions as they may want to.

Trust me, if Green Lantern had had an opening weekend in the 70 million range, the sequel and the Flash would've been greenlit on Monday morning, without question.

As it stands now, they have to proceed with a sure fire property that's going to make them cash. Even if done correctly, you just don't know if a property like the Flash or Wonder Woman is gonna hit with the audience.

In all honesty, I think Wonder Woman should be DC's next thing...just because of how recognizable the name is. I wouldn't do the Flash until after Wonder Woman.

Given all that, I don't think WB is going to abandon the DC properties based on Green Lantern's performance only because they've pretty much committed to the idea that the DC properties have to take the place of Potter for the next decade. I don't think they can abandon that.

But, they need to have the properties properly spaced out. If Lantern would've come out in either March or November, I think it would've easily had a 70 to 80 million dollar weekend, even with the reviews.

As it stands, having come on the heels of First Class' release TWO WEEKS later, I think we hit the wall. That's the sole problem but I think it was a contributing factor in the 53 million weekend.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well then isnt their problem that they can't get their sh** together?

But I get what youre saying. I still havent seen GL, but the money they spent on it seems a bit much

 

[J.Howlett]

For a first film, it was a bit too much. If they had kept it at 150 million production budget, I think they'd be okay.

The problem, and this has to do with all the studios and not just WB, is the marketing budget. In the last ten years, the marketing budget at the studios has gotten out of control. That's why you hear rumbles that the studios are not going to be going to Comic Con that much anymore.

If the studios could ever get the marketing budgets and the contracts from the stars under control, they wouldn't loose as much money.

 

[chamber-music]

Bruce Timm should be the one in charge of DC Films. Nolan obviously is only inmmersed on his believe of what "his" Batman should be which made him, WB and Christian Bale rich and famous beyond their wildest dreams.

Christian Bale doesn't even want to relate to Batman anymore past the three films which is why is causing controversy since no one made him sign up for multiple deals to play Batman. RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth and the rest of the Marvel gang signed up for at least 6 or 7 films.

Why didn't they planned out their films versions from the beginning. When Superman Return was even though off the guy who gave the okay should've listen to a comic book writer or editor and agreed or dissagree with Bryan Singer's idea cause now it seems as they are going back to square 2 (yes I mean two cause it seems like they are making Superman 2 again) since they are bringing the SAME VILLAINS AGAIN! Bottom line if they don't want to do what Marvel is doing they are doing a good job at it, and I'm not being sarcastic.

RDJ signed for 4 movies including the Avengers. He said after Iron Man 3 his going to sit down with Marvel and see if he wants to sign on to do more.

Christian Bale signed on to do 3 Batman movies its a standard part of actors contracts to sign for multiple pictures in summer blockbusters even if sequels are not made or the actor is not recalled for the part.
Christian Bale has said he will do Batman movies as long as Chris Nolan is involved. Nolan is producing the next Batman movie after The Dark Knight Rises so Christian Bale may stay on if if he wants to.

 

[TheVileOne]

Arnold Schwarzenegger once said he'd never do another Terminator movie without Cameron.

 

[GhostPoet]

The problem with DC films is...they tend to only be good when the source material is only very loosely followed (look at Batman. The two recent films are great! But share little with the comic)

If DC is determined to go live action, then they really need to get more hands on and find directors who love the source material and who have the VISION to get that stuff on screen while keeping as close to the source as possible.