What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan?

[Red Mask]

DC wanted to do movies of superman dying and returning as well as some other superman movies but they all fell through due to different ideas, superman 4, and batman and robin sucking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_Movie_Series

I don't think they ever had serious plans to connect the separate movies into a Justice League movie. Nolan publicly expressed his doubts of Superman existing in his Batman universe. After the Justice League: Mortal fell through there were only promises of solos in development.

 

[Karelia]

I wonder if DC's two CBM's a year plan is still in tact. If MOS is out in 2013, shouldn't their be another film out the same year?

 

[Airwings]

I wonder if DC's two CBM's a year plan is still in tact. If MOS is out in 2013, shouldn't their be another film out the same year?

They have already abandoned that plan. There won't be two films out by 2012.

 

[toddx77]

I don't think they ever had serious plans to connect the separate movies into a Justice League movie. Nolan publicly expressed his doubts of Superman existing in his Batman universe. After the Justice League: Mortal fell through there were only promises of solos in development.

I would have loved to have the superman from MOS and nolans batman be in the same universe but I think that might be a good thing they aren't. One of the guys at the comic book store I go to mentioned that it is kind of hard to beleive that superman would exist in the batman begins universe because when the joker was causing chaos in gothem why wouldn't superman just fly in and capture him.

 

[Red Mask]

They've still got the future to make a JLA movie happen. For now, I'd say Green Lantern was as good as it got to promoting other superheroes. As a franchise it was never going to be as promising as Star Wars or Star Trek. This movie might be DC's closest answer to the cyberpunk movie "The Matrix". How many fans asked why Neo didn't just create a dinosaur or something and gobble the agents? Well, GL makes all that hocus pocus come true and fans got what they wanted.

If Wonder Woman gets made, they'll probably make the plot some sort play off of "Coming to America".

 

[The Morningstar]

Ummm i don't think anyone was asking why Neo didn't create a dinosaur to eat the Agents or anything like that.

GL was just a steaming pile, plain and simple. It's damaged WB/DCs already low confidence in anything other than Batman even further.

 

[Red Mask]

Ummm i don't think anyone was asking why Neo didn't create a dinosaur to eat the Agents or anything like that.

It was brought up by one movie critic when Matrix was still recent. I think it was a Philadelphian newspaper.

 

[Airwings]

You ever notice that the DCU stories that have the most appeal to casual comic fans are the ones where the characters are able to stand alone on their own and be the best they can be within them? like Sinestro Corps War which is just based around the GL universe or All-Star Superman and The Long Halloween (not a fan of that tale personally but just an example).

That should be a hint on how to approach cinematic adaptations. This trying to copy Marvel desperateness is why DC movies are in such bad shape in the first place. These characters are larger than life.

There are so many mythological allegories to Superman, Flash, Batman etc. that it's a disservice to not exploit them to their best of their abilities in their own individual franchises. This is better than instead of limiting the scope of their vision cause they have to fit in with a singular universe.

I mean I enjoyed Thor but I felt it didn't live up to it's potential either cause it had to be organic with Iron Man's movie universe. This is why Nolan's Batman works. You know they can't run to Superman or GL or anyone so it adds tension and gives the pictures weight because our hero really has to step up to the plate on all levels. You get to see why Batman REALLY is the best that we humans are capable of with a vision like that. It robs it of gravitas if you add capes to the picture.

Conversely you can't have Superman being threatened by Brainiac or having Mongul and Warworld being a huge threat and challenge for Supes if you know it's possible for the GLC to have his back. Robs the Superman story of it's individual scope right there.

I think they should focus on matching the best and most passionate talent to each individual property. Helping those properties become the best that they can become by crafting great stories for these characters.

It leaves the freedom of having space to do what they feel must be done to present the characters to their greatest ability to the masses instead of being limited by a shared universe and a forced and unfocused greedy vision of trying to force a JL movie since they want their own Avengers.

OMG, You make so many points in one single post.
I agree that DC characters have a grander scale. In fact, that is something I have said for a long time. Each of them, may it be Green Lantern or Wonder Woman or other, have a rich story to be told, that doesn't have to rely on something else to work. Just look at Superman. Can you imagine someone else interferring?
Unless they set the whole movie up as a combination with another hero, it shouldn't be done. And even then it will be quite hard. The film should not have one visual style, but TWO. The characters crave for that.
I don't know if it's right to compare with religious stories. But what if Noah, Moses and Jesus met? It would pretty much change everything, and take away the essence of each story.
And as Cain says, each DC hero shall stand out as the best we have in the world. It's important! I say that they should all take a role of a saviour because of their power level. A little bit of a messias figure. Not only Superman is such.

 

[psylockolussus]

2011- Green Lantern
2012- Batman
2013- Superman
2014- The Flash
2015- Wonder Woman
2016- Aquaman
2017- Martian Manhunter
2018- Justice League

WB should follow this!

 

[HighFivingMF]

2011- Green Lantern
2012- Batman
2013- Superman
2014- The Flash
2015- Wonder Woman
2016- Aquaman
2017- Martian Manhunter
2018- Justice League

WB should follow this!

Minus that last one. Do you really think they'd spend their 2 definite hits and spend the next 4 years making movies for uncertain properties (ESPECIALLY the last three)? Without any sequels to the ones that are hits? Just so they can have a team-up?

 

[DrCosmic]

DC Entertainment's plan is to keep moving forward with pre-production on their highest profile properties and hope that Man of Steel proves to their WB paymasters that someone outside of Batman can make money. Then they plan not to drop the ball like they did with Green Lantern.

We'll if it works.

 

[kedrell]

I would have loved to have the superman from MOS and nolans batman be in the same universe but I think that might be a good thing they aren't. One of the guys at the comic book store I go to mentioned that it is kind of hard to beleive that superman would exist in the batman begins universe because when the joker was causing chaos in gothem why wouldn't superman just fly in and capture him.

Hell, even before that I was wondering just how it hadn't occured that some ordinary citizen hadn't pulled out a gun and bust a cap in Joker's @$$. That's what really would have happened.

 

[Russell Nash]

Because of Green Lantern's poor performance at the box office, I doubt DC will have a comprehensive plan to expand their cinematic universe like Marvel has. DC will play it movie by movie. The Dark Knight Rises will make A LOT of money, perhaps more than TDK. But the real risk is Man of Steel. That's why I think they're giving Snyder more time. If Man of Steel fails, DC has to rethink everything.

 

[psylockolussus]

Minus that last one. Do you really think they'd spend their 2 definite hits and spend the next 4 years making movies for uncertain properties (ESPECIALLY the last three)? Without any sequels to the ones that are hits? Just so they can have a team-up?

Well I didn't iinclude the sequels for Superman and the reboot of Batman. And I think WB should focus on other DC superheroes. They wouldn't able to do a Wonder Woman movie if they keep focusing on Superman and Batman like all the time.

 

[Raiden]

OMG, You make so many points in one single post.
I agree that DC character have a grander scale. In fact, that is something I have said for a long time. Each of them, may it be Green Lantern or Wonder Woman or other, have a rich story to be told, that doesn't have to rely on something else to work. Just look at Superman. Can you imagine someone else interferring?
Unless they set the whole movie up as a combination with another hero, it shouldn't be done. And even then it will be quite hard. The film should not have one visual style, but TWO. The characters crave for that.
I don't know if it's right to compare with religious stories. But what if Noah, Moses and Jesus met? It would pretty much change everything, and take away the essence of each story.
And as Cain says, each DC hero shall stand out as the best we have in the world. It's important! I say that they should all take a role of a saviour because of their power level. A little bit of a messias figure. Not only Superman is such.

There are already enough Marvel movies that are standalones, such as Sony's Spider-man and Ghost Rider, and Fox's X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Liongate's Punisher was standalone as well. I don't understand any comic fans wouldn't like what Marvel is doing with MCU, because it is unique and unprecedented, something that has never been done before. You can talk all you want about how each DC superheroes stand on his or her own, but aside from Superman, Batman, and GL (recently), there haven't been much of any movies based on those characters anyway. At least Marvel is doing everything they can to roll out as many characters as they can to the big screen, which is something that DC/WB should be doing as well.

 

[Airwings]

Raiden: But I WANT them to be done as films too, Flash and the others. Isn't that clear?
Enough Marvel standalone films, what does that have to do with my post? I only mention DC as far as I can see.

 

[The Sage]

Agree with Cain and Airwings on the standalone universes. I think it allows each character's mythology to be explored without concerns on whether it's connected to another franchise or not.

 

[Raiden]

Raiden: But I WANT them to be done as films too, Flash and the others. Isn't that clear?
Enough Marvel standalone films, what does that have to do with my post? I only mention DC as far as I can see.

Well, you mentioned this in your post:

OMG, You make so many points in one single post.
I agree that DC character have a grander scale. In fact, that is something I have said for a long time. Each of them, may it be Green Lantern or Wonder Woman or other, have a rich story to be told, that doesn't have to rely on something else to work.

From looking at this section, you appeared to be comparing the movies between DC & Marvel that's why I responded the way I did in my post.

 

[solidsnake86]

There are already enough Marvel movies that are standalones, such as Sony's Spider-man and Ghost Rider, and Fox's X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Liongate's Punisher was standalone as well. I don't understand any comic fans wouldn't like what Marvel is doing with MCU, because it is unique and unprecedented, something that has never been done before. You can talk all you want about how each DC superheroes stand on his or her own, but aside from Superman, Batman, and GL (recently), there haven't been much of any movies based on those characters anyway. At least Marvel is doing everything they can to roll out as many characters as they can to the big screen, which is something that DC/WB should be doing as well.

To me its kinda like they don't have any faith in the characters by themselves, which they should. If the ties aren't intrusive then I'm fine with it, but sometimes I feel like there missing an oppurtunity with the individual characters to support this shared universe. And for fans that like that, all the power to them but I feel like years from now when you look back at these feels and get over what their doing you really begin to see there flaws.

My biggest gripe with Iron Man two was that had they focused on the Iron Man universe the movie could have been much stronger. They set up whiplash for instance and managed to give him a compelling back story only to drop the ball. I would have rather they focused more on him and gave some more hints to the ten rings then the avengers. Would have made a stronger film and also created a third film with stakes.

No way is the right way but my thing is if I ever watch any of these film I never watch all of them back to back in one long marathon. So they really have to stand up on their own merits within the film itself.

 

[rayc1971]

Minus that last one. Do you really think they'd spend their 2 definite hits and spend the next 4 years making movies for uncertain properties (ESPECIALLY the last three)? Without any sequels to the ones that are hits? Just so they can have a team-up?

aquaman and manhunter will never get solo flicks noway would they wast money on those as solos flash and wonder woman have a shot with flash probably being the sure thing!

 

[rayc1971]

Because of Green Lantern's poor performance at the box office, I doubt DC will have a comprehensive plan to expand their cinematic universe like Marvel has. DC will play it movie by movie. The Dark Knight Rises will make A LOT of money, perhaps more than TDK. But the real risk is Man of Steel. That's why I think they're giving Snyder more time. If Man of Steel fails, DC has to rethink everything.

agreed!if man of steel is a hit they will make a flash movie next!

 

[Raiden]

To me its kinda like they don't have any faith in the characters by themselves, which they should. If the ties aren't intrusive then I'm fine with it, but sometimes I feel like there missing an oppurtunity with the individual characters to support this shared universe. And for fans that like that, all the power to them but I feel like years from now when you look back at these feels and get over what their doing you really begin to see there flaws.

My biggest gripe with Iron Man two was that had they focused on the Iron Man universe the movie could have been much stronger. They set up whiplash for instance and managed to give him a compelling back story only to drop the ball. I would have rather they focused more on him and gave some more hints to the ten rings then the avengers. Would have made a stronger film and also created a third film with stakes.

No way is the right way but my thing is if I ever watch any of these film I never watch all of them back to back in one long marathon. So they really have to stand up on their own merits within the film itself.

IM2 may have several references to SHIELD, including appearances by Fury, BW, and Coulson, but all of them move the plot along & I don't think they are intrusive to the story. Fury handed Stark a temp. cure of his illness, BW helped Happy Hogan break into Hammer's HQ, and Coulson aided Stark. IM2 may not be a perfect movie, but I never thought these references were to blame. And movies like GL who don't have any tied-in to any future movies like IM2 does still isn't watchable, so I think the bottom line is that if the movie is good, then it doesn't matter. Thor and Capt. America are stronger movies than IM2, and yet they have stuff about the Avengers as well.

 

[solidsnake86]

They could have had a much stronger movie in iron man 2 and they wasted that opportunity is my point, by having to shoehorn in shield, they may have moved the plot along, but the plot could have been better without them in there to begin with. You're right, if the movie is good, then it doesn't matter, but they settled for mediocrity in Iron Man 2 for the sake of the avengers. I felt thor was a mediocre film as well, but it seems to get a pass because its connected to the avengers. Haven't seen cap yet but it looks like a good film so I'm excited to watch that. I'm glad there doing well though because what same people fail to realize is that the General Audience probably doesnt even realize the difference between the companies so when they do bad the genre as a whole is hurt.

 

[Raiden]

They could have had a much stronger movie in iron man 2 and they wasted that opportunity is my point, by having to shoehorn in shield, they may have moved the plot along, but the plot could have been better without them in there to begin with. You're right, if the movie is good, then it doesn't matter, but they settled for mediocrity in Iron Man 2 for the sake of the avengers. I felt thor was a mediocre film as well, but it seems to get a pass because its connected to the avengers. Haven't seen cap yet but it looks like a good film so I'm excited to watch that. I'm glad there doing well though because what same people fail to realize is that the General Audience probably doesnt even realize the difference between the companies so when they do bad the genre as a whole is hurt.

I'll concede that IM2 wasn't that great a movie, but Thor is much better and definitely not "mediocre". And people failed to understand the difficulties of translating an Asgardian god from the comic books to the big screen, and not just making the movie good but also avoid alot of the pitfalls that could've made it as campy as the Masters of the Universe movie from the 80's. WB faces the same problem with Wonder Woman (who has alot of Greek mythologies of her own) and they don't even want to bother with it. As for Thor's ties with the Avengers, so what if there's Agent Coulson and the SHIELD in the movie? If they had called them FBI, would it have made any difference? Seems to me that alot of people are just turn off by the idea of connecting movies together in a big universe that they're criticizing for no reasons at all.

 

[The Morningstar]

DC should tap into their Vertigo line. 100 Bullets would be awesome. Sandman, Lucifer, Scalped. Top quality, mature, small budget films alone the lines of History of Violence and Road to Perdition. That's where DC has a leg up over Marvel. Marvel doesn't have anything like Vertigo really.

Comic book movies don't necessarily have to be about superheroes and have mega budgets.