Sequels What is Fox's gameplan?

[Eddie]

Their takeaway from The Avengers was "Hey, people want crossover movies!" The Avengers is basically why they answered back with Days of Future Past (the time travel movie was originally supposed to be the 80s movie, not Apocalypse).

 

[GuestStar2004]

Their takeaway from The Avengers was "Hey, people want crossover movies!" The Avengers is basically why they answered back with Days of Future Past (the time travel movie was originally supposed to be the 80s movie, not Apocalypse).

Well they never actually said that was the game plan, and going by that logic kinda makes it odd that apocalypse isn't a AOA cross over movie in that case, especially if fox change their game plans based on what does well

Right now FOX are probably just glad to be producing what people See as quality X-Men movies again after the 2006 to 2009 slump

 

[Sithborg]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/02/15/deadpool-marks-the-death-of-the-x-film-as-we-know-them

Interesting article. Hate to say it because Faraci is not my favorite person out there but I agree with the general idea of the article. Deadpool is definitely a game-changer for the X-Men franchise.

There is a lot I have trouble with in that article.

Just because you like a franchise does not mean it "should" have a similar level of success as a different franchise. It reeks of jealousy.

 

[SuperT]

Just because you like a franchise does not mean it "should" have a similar level of success as a different franchise. It reeks of jealousy.

I don't think it's jealousy, I just think many people see the potential the X-Men franchise has and we all just agree it hasn't fully gotten there yet.

X-Men is hands down the most popular and well-known Marvel franchise and could easily be making as much as The Avengers. That's not to say we don't have great X-movies, X1, X2, First Class, DOFP, The Wolverine and now Deadpool are all fantastic but still - they could be pushing this franchise even higher.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I don't think it's jealousy, I just think many people see the potential the X-Men franchise has and we all just agree it hasn't fully gotten there yet.

X-Men is hands down the most popular and well-known Marvel franchise and could easily be making as much as The Avengers. That's not to say we don't have great X-movies, X1, X2, First Class, DOFP, The Wolverine and now Deadpool are all fantastic but still - they could be pushing this franchise even higher.

Well said I couldn't agree more (minus Wolverine which I thought was decent).

 

[Sithborg]

But, if they are making enough for sequels, why do you care how much more it makes. Bragging rights are fun, no doubt. But, it isn't the end all be all of the franchise.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

But, if they are making enough for sequels, why do you care how much more it makes. Bragging rights are fun, no doubt. But, it isn't the end all be all of the franchise.

Well I agree about the bragging rights bit, but it's not about chasing numbers, it's more about embracing the source material unabashedly.

 

[Eddie]

Well they never actually said that was the game plan, and going by that logic kinda makes it odd that apocalypse isn't a AOA cross over movie in that case, especially if fox change their game plans based on what does well

Right now FOX are probably just glad to be producing what people See as quality X-Men movies again after the 2006 to 2009 slump

I'm fairly certain someone (may have even been Vaughn) DID say the time travel movie was originally going to be the 80s movie. The 70s film would have been something different. The crossover basically got bumped up.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I'm fairly certain someone (may have even been Vaughn) DID say the time travel movie was originally going to be the 80s movie. The 70s film would have been something different. The crossover basically got bumped up.

It was Vaughn yeah but it likely wasn't a fox game plan but Mir vaughns early trilogy concept

 

[SuperT]

But, if they are making enough for sequels, why do you care how much more it makes. Bragging rights are fun, no doubt. But, it isn't the end all be all of the franchise.

I wasn't specifically talking about making more money - I was moreso talking about wider audience appeal. It's no secret that the X-Men franchise has had a harder time pulling in new viewers with each movie in comparison to Marvel or DC's movies.

There's a reason they have all been notoriously frontloaded at the box office - they don't have the wider appeal that keeps them going once all the hardcore fans have gone to see it opening weekend.

 

[marvelrobbins]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/02/15/deadpool-marks-the-death-of-the-x-film-as-we-know-them

Interesting article. Hate to say it because Faraci is not my favorite person out there but I agree with the general idea of the article. Deadpool is definitely a game-changer for the X-Men franchise.

wow what a shock.Bryan singer hating Faraci saying fox should dump Singer from X-Men films.

 

[SuperT]

wow what a shock.Bryan singer hating Faraci saying fox should dump Singer from X-Men films.

He wasn't hating on Singer, good lord.

He's not the only person saying Singer should probably take a step back. There have been plenty of people - myself included - who think the X-franchise could benefit from another directors eye. Matthew Vaughn, James Mangold and now Tim Miller have already proven that Singer isn't the only one that can direct a successful X-movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

you do realize he has history of hating on singer and X-Men films.

 

[X-Maniac]

He wasn't hating on Singer, good lord.

He's not the only person saying Singer should probably take a step back. There have been plenty of people - myself included - who think the X-franchise could benefit from another directors eye. Matthew Vaughn, James Mangold and now Tim Miller have already proven that Singer isn't the only one that can direct a successful X-movie.

It's true that we have since seen other directors can handle an X-Men movie.

Of course, Marvel's managed to farm out its films to other directors, but it has studio head Kevin Feige as the overlord, whereas Fox doesn't have anyone in that powerful a position to make sure its comic book adaptations are not going off the rails.

The thing with Singer is that he comes with a whole load of trappings, or infrastructure, or whatever else you want to call it... his own costume designer (Mingenbach) who isn't exactly known for embracing colour and comicbook designs; his own composer/editor (Ottman); and loads of others who are part of his team. So it's not just the directing that is down to Singer but all those other things that come as part of the package.

What Tim Miller managed on a budget of just $58m is quite amazing really.

 

[Smilodon]

Tim Miller also his "team" so to speak in terms of Blur Studios as well having people like David Fincher whom he goes to advice for like Singer and Jim Cameron. Sure he doesn't have an editor/composer whom he has known since college but Miller isn't new to show business so he definitely has connections to many people. Deadpool had some great people working on it like Julian Clarke who did great work on District 9 and Junkie XL who rocked Mad Max: Fury Road.

Could see Ryan and co. start to build up these films even more, but let's just start with avoiding continuity errors post-DOFP. We're off to a good start with DP so.

 

[Lord]

Still find it too soon to jump against the X-Men franchise, it still is recovering after the damage X-3 and Origins did. Days of Future Past didn't become a crossover because of Avengers, it was made because Bryan Singer came back, and that was the story he had wanted to make for years. Saying Deadpool is proof that a film that is different and has passion can become popular is silly, because that's what has been said of every single Bryan Singer X-Men film that has been released. People just seem to ignore that every few years.

As for X-Men not performing like The Avengers, i think the reason is simple. It's like Star Trek in the 80s trying to compete with Star Wars. One of them is a science fiction film series that tries to make thought provoking stories, the other one is a fun science fiction film series that has broader appeal. Also, back in 2000 you wouldn't be able to make something like The Avengers, the X-Men and Spider-Man helped build the playing field where the Marvel Cinematic Universe would flourish. Having a lot of past continuity also makes the X-Men films harder to digest, which is why they're soft-rebooting it.

When it comes to Matthew Vaughn, i think Bryan Singer was the main reason First Class was so good, he pretty much had the whole plot before Vaughn came in. That said, Vaughn still did a very impressive job and i would love to see him return to the franchise. I would even say that had he directed Deadpool, it would have been a better film.

 

[SuperT]

Still find it too soon to jump against the X-Men franchise, it still is recovering after the damage X-3 and Origins did. Days of Future Past didn't become a crossover because of Avengers, it was made because Bryan Singer came back, and that was the story he had wanted to make for years. Saying Deadpool is proof that a film that is different and has passion can become popular is silly, because that's what has been said of every single Bryan Singer X-Men film that has been released. People just seem to ignore that every few years.

As for X-Men not performing like The Avengers, i think the reason is simple. It's like Star Trek in the 80s trying to compete with Star Wars. One of them is a science fiction film series that tries to make thought provoking stories, the other one is a fun science fiction film series that has broader appeal. Also, back in 2000 you wouldn't be able to make something like The Avengers, the X-Men and Spider-Man helped build the playing field where the Marvel Cinematic Universe would flourish. Having a lot of past continuity also makes the X-Men films harder to digest, which is why they're soft-rebooting it.

When it comes to Matthew Vaughn, i think Bryan Singer was the main reason First Class was so good, he pretty much had the whole plot before Vaughn came in. That said, Vaughn still did a very impressive job and i would love to see him return to the franchise. I would even say that had he directed Deadpool, it would have been a better film.

The script yea but that direction and tone of the movie is all Vaughn, no question about that. It wouldn't have been nearly the same movie if Singer had directed it - not that it would have been bad, just different than what we got.

 

[X-Maniac]

NEWS FLASH: Fox's game plan will (I predict) be to get Deadpool in everything and make everything R rated.

Deadpool will become the new Wolverine.

I can imagine boardroom meetings, script rewrites and powerpoint presentations as we speak.. LOL

 

[Rorschach2012]

Deadpool is great. But really where do we go now.. I don't see Deadpool or a Wolverine-less X-Men franchise carrying this universe.

They need Wolverine more than any other character, and they really need Hugh.

Best option is to reboot in the MCU. This universe is near the end of its ropes.

 

[X-Maniac]

Deadpool is great. But really where do we go now.. I don't see Deadpool or a Wolverine-less X-Men franchise carrying this universe.

They need Wolverine more than any other character, and they really need Hugh.

Best option is to reboot in the MCU. This universe is near the end of its ropes.

You keep trying to plant that 'MCU reboot' seed. Even if that did happen, an MCU reboot is not going to mean more of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, it will definitely be the end of him.

But Deadpool shows the franchise is anywhere but near the end of its ropes.

It just needs a bit more comic book accuracy, freshness and imagination. If they can do it with Deadpool, they can do it with other stuff, especially as Singer's going off to do 20,000 Leagues next.

 

[SuperT]

This universe is near the end of its ropes.

A franchise that just produced it's two highest grossing/most successful films in a row is at the end of it's ropes? Logical.

 

[BlackFox]

Deadpool is great. But really where do we go now.. I don't see Deadpool or a Wolverine-less X-Men franchise carrying this universe.

They need Wolverine more than any other character, and they really need Hugh.

Best option is to reboot in the MCU. This universe is near the end of its ropes.

but seriously Deadpool 2, Wolverine 3, Cable, X-Force, New Mutants, the original X-Men just starting out etc etc this is the beginning not the end man.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Deadpool's success is proof there will be no MCU reboot.besides it was fox
who was willing to go r rated.and may do it again for wolverine solo film.
a 58 million budgeted film with star with bad history at box office and first time director was big hit at box office.

the logic of deadpool being a success.apocalypse coming in may.wolverine
and gambit next year and deadpool 2 and new mutants in works and X-force possibly following,thinking they will be given back to marvel is crazy.

Like batman and james bond only a matter of time before wolverine is recast
after wolverine solo film.

It makes no business sense for fox after dofp and deadpool to just give it to
marvel.

 

[Frankeh]

NEWS FLASH: Fox's game plan will (I predict) be to get Deadpool in everything and make everything R rated.

Deadpool will become the new Wolverine.

I can imagine boardroom meetings, script rewrites and powerpoint presentations as we speak.. LOL

Lol...

Truly though, I have big hopes for what's coming after Apocalypse. They just need to split the damn screentime, and no more pointless mute additions. Let's see how Singer does in that regard with Apocalypse.

 

[Zant]

A franchise that just produced it's two highest grossing/most successful films in a row is at the end of it's ropes? Logical.

You guys are taking the troll way too seriously.