Sequels What is Fox's gameplan?

[2kt09]

Possibly the most foolish post I've seen today. Are you suggesting that the XMEN don't belong in the marvel universe?

I'm suggesting if we had movies like Spider-man, go for it.
FFS, it'd be as much of an issue as rebooted Avengers being itro'd to the current X-men Universe.

@Mike Murdock

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm suggesting if we had movies like Spider-man, go for it.
FFS, it'd be as much of an issue as rebooted Avengers being itro'd to the current X-men Universe.

@Mike Murdock

You are blinder than Matt Murdock buddy

 

[2kt09]

You are blinder than Matt Murdock buddy

I'm assuming you at least agree with Mike's post.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Well, I am a huge Marvel fan. I'd love to see them in a shared universe, but I don't think it's a net positive. Marvel got the ability to produce a Sony movie and immediately pushed back Black Panther and Captain Marvel. An X-Men movie will push them back even farther. And that's assuming they don't produce a New Mutants movie, a Deadpool movie, etc. If they do that, you can kiss half the movies Marvel makes goodbye. I like Fox keeping the X-Men because it creates more Marvel movies.

Would I like the two to be able to reference each other and be part of the same universe? Sure, it would be nice. But unlike the Fantastic Four, I feel the X-Men stuff stands on its own better. And, unlike Spider-Man, I think there's greater potential for spinoffs (ensuring they make at least a movie a year). Hell, I want them to be more ambitious. I want a Starjammers movie, a Longshot movie, a Dazzler movie, etc. While less likely, I know it has no shot if the rights revert.



As you pointed out, Hugh Jackman is leaving, so his desire to be part of the MCU is less significant than you think.



Selene, Nimrod, Mad Emperor D'Kann, the Brood



I think the downside is that they'll redo the movies Fox already did instead of making new ones. Do I think they'll do a better job? Yeah, I do. I think Dark Phoenix could certainly have been done better. But that doesn't mean they'll do new ideas. If you can convince me we'll see Ilyana Rasputin, Doug Ramsey, Danielle Moonstar, Deadpool, or Cable in the next eight years in the Marvel universe without delaying Dr. Strange 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, or the Inhumans then I will agree there's no downside. Until then, I'm skeptical.

I'm not suggesting the rights will revert, I'm suggesting a deal between Fox and marvel

Fox can still produce their rebooted XMEN movies without things impacting the MCU slate too much. Tbh I'd rather have an XMEN film than an inhumans film so if that movie got pushed back to make way for XMEN, so be it

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think Disney/Marvel is expecting to integrate the X-Men into its movieverse anytime soon because it's basically turning the Inhumans into the X-Men (and I don't like them doing that at all).

Disney/Marvel also has 14 future films either coming out or in development (taking us up until summer 2020), so it's ploughing ahead regardless of the X-Men.

Disney/Marvel's properties have the advantage of tons of merchandise and being part of a massive long-term planning process. The films are generally made and marketed very well (in a light, populist manner) and do great at the box office (though I don't find myself rushing to rewatch them at all, I have to say). Some of them do very well despite being quite poorly put together (Age of Ultron, I'm looking at you) but the same can be said of Transformers and Jurassic World.

It's possible that Marvel will own rights to all its properties one day. But it's true that the diversity of X-Men offerings would be reduced because of all the other characters Marvel is juggling.

We shall see. I have more important things to get worked up about (last year, my mother unexpectedly died, a good friend died a month later, then a friend of a friend died in the Paris terror attacks, and then I was in a car accident - seeing people get in an agitated state online about fictional comic book characters seems trivial and ridiculous by comparison, lol)

 

[Rorschach2012]

Truly sorry for your loss buddy

 

[ImSGirl95]

Truly sorry for you bad year X-Maniac :/

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm not suggesting the rights will revert, I'm suggesting a deal between Fox and marvel

Fox can still produce their rebooted XMEN movies without things impacting the MCU slate too much.

Except Spider-Man indicates differently. That's because Marvel doesn't want their properties (or associated properties) competing against each other. When they added Spider-Man, they moved other films. And Spider-Man is, at best, once every two years if not three. What do you think will happen when there are one to two X-films per year? Marvel would have to move a movie if Spider-Man is precedent.

Tbh I'd rather have an XMEN film than an inhumans film so if that movie got pushed back to make way for XMEN, so be it

I'd rather have both. I love the X-Men. But I really enjoy the Inhumans. If we're losing out on the Inhuman royal family so we can see a slightly better take on the first X-Men movie (newly discovered mutant, X-Men band together, X-Men fight Magneto) I would be highly disappointed.

 

[magneto23]

Please hold on to your bs excuses. It'll happen , and the explanation will be fine, just requires a tiny bit of imagination

Hope the explanation would be better than some BS Xavier mind wiping every single human and mutant on the planet. Like that's even possible or something the character would even consider doing. There's plenty of mutants he can't even control for crying out loud. It's an incredible challenge to come up with a reasonable explanation. It would require much much more than a "tiny bit" of imagination.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm not suggesting the rights will revert, I'm suggesting a deal between Fox and marvel

Fox can still produce their rebooted XMEN movies without things impacting the MCU slate too much. Tbh I'd rather have an XMEN film than an inhumans film so if that movie got pushed back to make way for XMEN, so be it

Not going to happen. Fox is not going to want to work within the MCU's schedule. Sony has no choice, due to the financial position they are in.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Hope the explanation would be better than some BS Xavier mind wiping every single human and mutant on the planet. Like that's even possible or something the character would even consider doing. There's plenty of mutants he can't even control for crying out loud. It's an incredible challenge to come up with a reasonable explanation. It would require much much more than a "tiny bit" of imagination.

You are unimaginative and stubborn, keep coming back with terrible excuses not to include the XMEN in the MCU

The team could easily be young kids right now, x could easily be training them now, thinking that they aren't ready because they're children. It's literally a two second explanation bud. X didn't think the time was right for the mutants to come out of the shadows yet. That simple.

Mutants could just be rumors at this point with random unexplained sightings around the world, but everyone would be so distracted by other events to pay attention. It's LITERALLY so simple to explain.

That took two seconds to cut your excuse into nothing, think about what the powers that be at marvel could come up with. I'm sure they already have a contingency plan in case they get the rights. Your excuse is foolish, I wouldn't lean on that as your main reason against the XMEN in the MCU

 

[marvelrobbins]

Except Spider-Man indicates differently. That's because Marvel doesn't want their properties (or associated properties) competing against each other. When they added Spider-Man, they moved other films. And Spider-Man is, at best, once every two years if not three. What do you think will happen when there are one to two X-films per year? Marvel would have to move a movie if Spider-Man is precedent.



I'd rather have both. I love the X-Men. But I really enjoy the Inhumans. If we're losing out on the Inhuman royal family so we can see a slightly better take on the first X-Men movie (newly discovered mutant, X-Men band together, X-Men fight Magneto) I would be highly disappointed.

I am not arguring with him anymore but let me say this.

everything points to spider-man film to basicly be a marvel produced film
that sony distributes.and like you said other films was pushed back for it.and for spider-man fans inless spidey is in infinity wars it will be 2020 at least till a second spider-man is produced inless they push back the inhumans.if i am wrong and a similar deal happens marvel would produce X-Men films and
fox would simply distribute them.there is also chance if marvel gets ahold of wolverine and others of putting them in avengers films.there was precendence in comics by making X-Men related characters avengers.

X-Men has always been my favorate.it was In 1980's.it was in 1990's.it was In 2000's after films started and before there was ever a MCU.

 

[magneto23]

You are unimaginative and stubborn, keep coming back with terrible excuses not to include the XMEN in the MCU

The team could easily be young kids right now, x could easily be training them now, thinking that they aren't ready because they're children. It's literally a two second explanation bud. X didn't think the time was right for the mutants to come out of the shadows yet. That simple.

Its not all up to him though. Planet full of mutants. He doesn't control all of them. NOT simple.

Mutants could just be rumors at this point with random unexplained sightings around the world, but everyone would be so distracted by other events to pay attention. It's LITERALLY so simple to explain.

Cheap as it gets right there.

That took two seconds to cut your excuse into nothing, think about what the powers that be at marvel could come up with. I'm sure they already have a contingency plan in case they get the rights. Your excuse is foolish, I wouldn't lean on that as your main reason against the XMEN in the MCU

 

[2kt09]

The team could easily be young kids right now, x could easily be training them now, thinking that they aren't ready because they're children. It's literally a two second explanation bud. X didn't think the time was right for the mutants to come out of the shadows yet. That simple.

X-Men Apocalypse addresses this, inevitable sequel plotpoint
and the second

Mutants could just be rumors at this point with random unexplained sightings around the world, but everyone would be so distracted by other events to pay attention.

was already ongoing til' the news coverage at the end of DOFP.

 

[X-Maniac]

Truly sorry for your loss buddy

Thanks. It's been an awful year. I'm hoping 2016 is an improvement on all that...

 

[Rorschach2012]

Its not all up to him though. Planet full of mutants. He doesn't control all of them. NOT simple.

Cheap as it gets right there.

Search your feelings you know it to be true I wholeheartedly believe this is a matter of right and wrong, one scenario contains MULTIPLE negative aspects and the alternative contains literally none. Ther is literally zero downside to a fox marvel deal. Zero. It WILL BE mutually beneficial for both companies. Just wait

Done with this though, I've shot down every single reason against MCU XMEN, and none of you can come up with a decent excuse not to do it. I ain't changing your stubborn minds and you ain't changing mine.

I'll be back though to say I told you so

 

[Rorschach2012]

Thanks. It's been an awful year. I'm hoping 2016 is an improvement on all that...

I think it will be buddy hang in there friend

 

[Mike Murdock]

I am not arguring with him anymore but let me say this.

everything points to spider-man film to basicly be a marvel produced film
that sony distributes.and like you said other films was pushed back for it.and for spider-man fans inless spidey is in infinity wars it will be 2020 at least till a second spider-man is produced inless they push back the inhumans.

I think the most accurate description is it's a Kevin Feige produced film. It's the Marvel creative guys working for a Sony-financed film (Sony bears the financial risk for the movie, not Marvel). But I agree generally. I don't think Spider-Man 2 will be until 2020.

fox would simply distribute them.there is also chance if marvel gets ahold of wolverine and others of putting them in avengers films.there was precendence in comics by making X-Men related characters avengers.

If Marvel had the rights to use X-Men characters, there's no doubt that they'd use them similarly (Wolverine is the most likely example, although Beast was an Avenger first in the comics). I think the more likely thing would be to use the X-Men cosmic side. Carol Danvers with the Brood would make a lot of sense.

 

[Rorschach2012]

At the end of the day we all love XMEN. **** me for wanting to see Wolverine interact with the Hulk or Spider Man. How ****ing cool would it be to see Cap and Wolverine fighting alongside each other in a ww2 flashback? Too cool, that's how cool



If the movies remain good, there is no downside to the deal. None. Only positives, and this time They can do it right. Start from scratch and do all the major characters Justice, instead of just Wolverine

The foundation of this franchise is too weak to support a successful cinematic universe. I honestly think the only luck fox will continue to have will be with Wolverine and Deadpool. Apocalypse I think will make less money than Dofp because of the lack of Jackman

 

[2kt09]

Since, we're done with that ^

I forgot about something that comes up on occasion.

How well would DP have to perform in order for Tim Miller to gain creative/sfx financial consultant status in regard to future features?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Tim Miller won't be given any special treatment just because deadpool did well, he may get to direct deadpool 2 and if he is lucky either direct or produce x-force but that's about it

 

[Sithborg]

At the end of the day we all love XMEN. **** me for wanting to see Wolverine interact with the Hulk or Spider Man. How ****ing cool would it be to see Cap and Wolverine fighting alongside each other in a ww2 flashback? Too cool, that's how cool



If the movies remain good, there is no downside to the deal. None. Only positives, and this time They can do it right. Start from scratch and do all the major characters Justice, instead of just Wolverine

The foundation of this franchise is too weak to support a successful cinematic universe. I honestly think the only luck fox will continue to have will be with Wolverine and Deadpool. Apocalypse I think will make less money than Dofp because of the lack of Jackman

Considering I'm an X-men fan, not a fan of those other characters, it has no appeal to me. In addition to have been bored by the MCU's movies since Thor 2.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Considering I'm an X-men fan, not a fan of those other characters, it has no appeal to me. In addition to have been bored by the MCU's movies since Thor 2.

Pretty much no one feels the way you do, you're an exception. Made evident by the massive financial and critical success that the MCU has received. It's so much more successful than the XMEN movies. I think if fox worked with marvel the movies would make a lot more money

 

[GuestStar2004]

Done with this though, I've shot down every single reason against MCU XMEN, and none of you can come up with a decent excuse not to do it. I ain't changing your stubborn minds and you ain't changing mine.

The most obvious reason why FOX won't do it is because there really is no reason why they would even think about it currently when they have several projects currently planned or projects in the making

They will continue to release movies until there really is something to be concerned about and they are at their most desperate which will not be within the next 2 years so the argument really is pointless

And the fact that you want it so bad doesn't mean FOX will give up their greedy control over X-Men to share it with Marvel who lets be honest want to keep the integrity of their universe intact and wouldn't just let FOX do what they want in their universe

 

[2kt09]

Tim Miller won't be given any special treatment just because deadpool did well, he may get to direct deadpool 2 and if he is lucky either direct or produce x-force but that's about it

Ahh that sucks. Directing-wise, I'm not expecting much, but I got massive respect for Dredd budget tier films in this market.