Sequels What is Fox's gameplan?

I think it's very flexible, but that's really the problem. They'll flex out (or back) less important characters to fit in X-Men movies. Even then, it'll still be one maybe every two or three years.
 
I dont see any scenario in which FOX cedes the X-Men live action rights. If anything, the studio's hold on the franchise was strengthened with last fall's TV deal. The X-Men character family is, unlike Sony's Spidey rights, stocked with characters. And unlike the FF family it is relatively cheap to put an X-Men family film into production.

So how would an "X-Men in the MCU" deal work? The X-Men don't bring in enough coin to get the Spidey treatment. And Marvel is not going to reboot the franchise while cutting FOX a check. It's a non starter.

I could see a scenario where FOX and Marvel collaborate additionally in the future, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the X-MCU.
 
Fox ain't letting this go any time soon. If Apocalypse winds up being the also-ran that I think it could potentially be this year what with the immense competition, I think Fox will re-strategize the X-men's future but in no way do I see them selling it back to Marvel any time soon.
 
I could see a collaboration in the next 5 -10 years. Maybe sooner if the cards fall a certain way.
 
Both X-Men and MCU need a reboot to make it work. The over-all story of the MCU is so large now and will expand even more in just the next 3 years, that mixing Fox's X-Men film series (which will have ten movies in 2017 and two TV shows perhaps) would just mess it up.
 
MCU doesnt need to be rebooted. They'd simply have to disregard everything FOX has done and introduce the characters on their own terms
 
MCU doesnt need to be rebooted. They'd simply have to disregard everything FOX has done and introduce the characters on their own terms

But the MCU doesn't have mutants, it has inhumans but not mutants

The MCU would have to make some sorta sacrifice to suddenly start having mutants pop up
 
The only way I could see the X-Men in the MCU within the decade would be if Murdock revisits last year's courtship of Warner Brothers and succeeds this time. In that scenario he would need to shed assets to reduce debt and Disney could potentially pick up CNN, X-Men live action and Star Wars distribution rights for $10 billion or so.

Outside of that, connected universe fans can hope for additional collaboration such as last fall's X-universe TV deal. With FOX and Disney/Marvel seemingly on improved terms it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to see cameos and/or easter eggs linking the two cinematic universes.
 
But the MCU doesn't have mutants, it has inhumans but not mutants

The MCU would have to make some sorta sacrifice to suddenly start having mutants pop up

It doesnt have mutants now. I really dont see why it would be difficult to introduce them. Maybe they just arent known in this world. Mutants existed for years in the MU but it wasnt until Magneto's attack in X-men #1, did they go public. Back then the numbers were very small so it was beleivable. I dont see why they cant start small in the MCU.
 
There are inhumans, yes ... And I guess they will be the wider race.
Have mutants be some very small % in the world. I mean, really small. Not even a 1% of the world population. And Xavier is determined to gather all of the race in his school.
Peace of cake.
 
That's certainly not the world of X-Men then is it?

it was when the books began. It wasnt until Morrison's run that the mutant numbers exploded to the millions. When the line was created in the 60s, there were very few out there and it grew over the years. The Xavier School existed for years as a normal boarding school to the outside world. I can easily see them introduce it as such in the MCU with the secret being blown that its students are actually mutants. They could also use the Morlocks as a secret society of underground mutants. All it would take is one major villian to plan an attack to expose the existence of mutantkind

And they dont even have to touch the X-men. They could just handpick characters and concepts to slowly introduce. If they were to use Wolerine for example, does his power origin need to explicitly be stated? They could go with the version of the character where his past and origin is a mystery
 
In Marvel's movie/TV world, what exactly are 'inhumans'?

In the comics, they were a race derived from alien experimentation on prehistoric man, and who choose to mutate themselves in the Terrigen Mists. That makes them far different to mutants.

Will such a distinction exist when Disney/Marvel reveals its on-screen Inhumans...
 
In Marvel's movie/TV world, what exactly are 'inhumans'?

In the comics, they were a race derived from alien experimentation on prehistoric man, and who choose to mutate themselves in the Terrigen Mists. That makes them far different to mutants.

Will such a distinction exist when Disney/Marvel reveals its on-screen Inhumans...

they've already revealed its onscreen Inhumans and its similar to comics in that exposure to Terrigen Mists grants individuals with inHuman DNA, powers. To simplify things, they may not even have them be two separate concepts. Mutants as we know it may end up being "mutated inHumans" that spontaneously gain powers without TM exposure
 
The only way I could see the X-Men in the MCU within the decade would be if Murdock revisits last year's courtship of Warner Brothers and succeeds this time.
IMO, this is only a matter of time. For the most part the two companies are actually a good fit. A Reuters columnist had an insightful article about the driving forces behind this just a few days ago.

http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2015/12/31/viacom-time-warner-among-2016-merger-wannabes/


In that scenario he would need to shed assets to reduce debt and Disney could potentially pick up CNN, X-Men live action and Star Wars distribution rights for $10 billion or so.
There is also the regulatory approval aspect as well. In order to clear that, Fox would need to assuage both the board and its competitors who could potentially throw up road blocks and file challenges. One scenario could be that Fox offers to relinquish the X-Men rights (as well as selling of certain assets) in exchange for Disney's support. After all, they would be gaining the full DC slate which I think more than makes up for the loss of X-Men. This would also demonstrate to the regulatory board that Fox is not seeking a monopoly of CB movies and is willing to make concessions where required.


Outside of that, connected universe fans can hope for additional collaboration such as last fall's X-universe TV deal. With FOX and Disney/Marvel seemingly on improved terms it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to see cameos and/or easter eggs linking the two cinematic universes.
As things stand, I just don't see any comingling of the two properties. Collaboration from a production standpoint perhaps, but no outright property cross over. Improved relations are ultimately necessary for both companies, given how things could potentially evolve down the road.
 
So, there is a chance that Fox would buy Warner? And have the whole DC slate?
If this happens, I really don't see the point of them having and going with the X-universe. I mean, they can easily put up to 2-3 DC movies a year. Different kinds of movies/characters ...
 
They tried last year but Warner was able to block it at the last minute. They may try again, at which point the X-Men situation becomes interesting if they succeed.
 
So, there is a chance that Fox would buy Warner? And have the whole DC slate?
If this happens, I really don't see the point of them having and going with the X-universe. I mean, they can easily put up to 2-3 DC movies a year. Different kinds of movies/characters ...

WB will still operate as a separate entity under the Fox umbrella, so it wouldn't make much of a difference.

It's like how Fox News and Fox Television Network operate as two separate entities.
 
WB will still operate as a separate entity under the Fox umbrella, so it wouldn't make much of a difference.

It's like how Fox News and Fox Television Network operate as two separate entities.

One thing I'm curious about is the net worth of both companies. Warner is worth around 75 billion and 21 Century Fox 65 billion...I would imagine Disney would have issue with the Fox rights now being owned by WB, the question is would they have legal recourse? This would be an interesting scenario.
 
If FOX gains control over the entire DC catalog it is going to be very difficult to justify large investments in Marvel licensed productions. With DC they get merchandising, animation, full TV and publishing. Though the X-Men are a known quantity, the profit potential of the DC characters are much higher. My guess is Disney will be opening their wallet wide open if the deal goes through.
 
It boils down to this, should Fox go forward with merging with Time Warner they are going to have play nice and offer concessions. There is no way around it. Fox already signaled a willingness to part with CNN should they gain control of it, which is a move entirely meant to help placate the regulatory bodies.

Disney could very easily throw a wrench into the deal by filing challenges to it, effectively delaying it or derailing it entirely. They could allege a conflict of interest as Fox would be in direct control of the properties that are owned by Disney (i.e. Marvel), which is obvious. This would very much be a legitimate challenge that Fox would have to answer to.

Fox could easily overcome this by volunteering to relinquish the X-Men rights back to Disney/Marvel, demonstrating good faith in upholding direct competition. This is crucial because anytime two large competitors merge, the government's position is automatically to challenge the deal on grounds of decreased competition. Releasing a well known valuable property (X-Men) that is a direct competitor to a property they would be acquiring (DC) back to its original owner (Marvel), would effectively strengthen Fox's argument for approval of the deal and would ultimately help strengthen competition overall. The other end of it is that it makes no sense for Fox to hang onto the X-Men rights. Not when they stand to profit from everything they can with DC properties that they don't currently get from any of the Marvel properties, such as merchandising. Why promote a competitors property for them when you can promote your own and profit on multiple levels? This is exactly why Disney does not promote any of the properties under Fox's control, and in either case it makes total sense.

The whole deal with DC, and Marvel property film rights is just one piece of a much bigger story that would be taking place. To understand why Fox would be (potentially) effectively give up X-Men for practically nothing (on the surface anyway), you have to step back and analyze why they want to merge with Time Warner in the first place. Compared to the bigger picture, the film rights of X-Men would be a small sacrifice compared to gaining a prize like HBO for instance.

Ultimately the two do compliment one another. Fox is a major Broadcast TV presence and film studio. TW is a major cable TV presence and film studio. The two combined could potentially create valuation that would almost rival that of Disney, which is no small feat. The biggest threat to both of them are the content delivery businesses (Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc) which have been consolidating. Having enough clout for Fox and TW to counter those companies is why Fox wanted to hook up. TW resisted, but now it appears that a chorus of investors is slowly growing to push TW in that direction. If Fox changes up what they attempted with the original bid and provides voting shares instead of non-voting for example, this may accelerate this movement.


There is no way Disney would be able to acquire Time Warner on purely regulary gounds alone. Their scale is already huge, and increasing it further would start to move them into monopoly territory as their competition would be outright dwarfed. Now, buying up CNN specifically they could get away with as they do not have a presence in the 24hr cables news space. They have ABC News which is predominately broadcast news, but little in the way of cable news. Fox however, does already have both.


Right now it's just conjecture and speculation, but it is fascinating to think about what might come of this should it become a reality.
 
MCU doesnt need to be rebooted. They'd simply have to disregard everything FOX has done and introduce the characters on their own terms

And act like Mutants only existed until they released their first X-Men movie... err no.
 
The MCU is too big, too profitable and too important to Disney to completely destroy just to incorporate the X-men, so... errr yes
 
the integrety of the MCU is to important to disney and marvel since if people start losing interest in marvel movies then what has marvel got left?
 

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