The Dark Knight Rises What I've realized about Chris Nolan's Batman...

[Julio Alejandro]

Given the reason statements from Nolan's camp about the future of this franchise, as brilliant as the last 2 films have been, the range of this series is very restricted. Tim Burton at least showed how realistic the Penguin can be and showed us a world of fantasy that seemed believable in the real world, whereas Nolan's world of Batman is limited to just taking the safe route of Batman, the detective and the psychos of Gotham, which is brilliant in it's own right because I don't think any other writer/director would've taken it that route. I love the intellectual take on the mythology of Batman, but he is limiting the range of where these characters go.

 

[The Batkilt]

Given the reason statements from Nolan's camp about the future of this franchise, as brilliant as the last 2 films have been, the range of this series is very restricted. Tim Burton at least showed how realistic the Penguin can be and showed us a world of fantasy that seemed believable in the real world, whereas Nolan's world of Batman is limited to just taking the safe route of Batman, the detective and the psychos of Gotham, which is brilliant in it's own right because I don't think any other writer/director would've taken it that route. I love the intellectual take on the mythology of Batman, but he is limiting the range of where these characters go.

You lost me here. Burton, in my opinion, did the exact opposite, and that film's portrayal of the character likely ties in with why Nolan and co apparently want to shy away from him. I really don't see what's more realistic about Burton's take on him - it was essentially just a Tim Burton character.

The only two things I liked about the handling of him was having him run for major, and that his motivation was to kill the first sons of Gotham. The latter I thought was especially standout. But other than I hated it, despite DeVito's performance.

 

[Laderlappen]

Im having difficulties understanding what you're point is.

 

[flickchick85]

I saw nothing in Burton's Batman that seemed believable in the real world. Especially not that bizarre creature he made the Penguin. I do see your point, though - Nolan has limited himself with what characters he can use, but only in the way that anyone limits themselves when they refuse to allow camp in their comic book movies.

 

[batlovescatDC]

I saw nothing in Nolan's Batman that seemed believable in the real world. Especially not that bizarre creature he made the Penguin. I do see your point, though - Nolan has limited himself with what characters he can use, but only in the way that anyone limits themselves when they refuse to allow camp in their comic book movies.

I think you mean "I saw nothing in Burton's Batman that was believeable in the real world."

 

[batlovescatDC]

And on my opinion of the matter..... yes, Nolan's version is much more realistic. But I don't think he's limiting the characters as much as you think. I think he really is letting the characters as far as they can go without losing the realism. If you let them go too far, you lose the realism. So I really think that he is letting them go to the limit that they can, but not to the point that they become unrealistic. And that's what I love about these films. I don't really even compare Burton's film to Nolan's films, because they're that much of totally different things/worlds. I love both of them, but I don't put them in side by side in any way, shape, or form. They're just so different, I don't think you really can justifiably compare the two. I love Nolan's films because they're the realistic, down to Earth interpretations that we hadn't ever had and we needed. But I also love Burton's films because they're just so fanatical and other-worldly, that they almost completely take you to another place, a place where the rules of realism don't apply.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Given the reason statements from Nolan's camp about the future of this franchise, as brilliant as the last 2 films have been, the range of this series is very restricted. Tim Burton at least showed how realistic the Penguin can be and showed us a world of fantasy that seemed believable in the real world, whereas Nolan's world of Batman is limited to just taking the safe route of Batman, the detective and the psychos of Gotham, which is brilliant in it's own right because I don't think any other writer/director would've taken it that route. I love the intellectual take on the mythology of Batman, but he is limiting the range of where these characters go.

70+ years of Batman comics and other material beg to differ, but more importantly how is the series limited again?

 

[Julio Alejandro]

I'm not talking about the comic books, I'm talking about the last 2 films.

 

[flickchick85]

I think you mean "I saw nothing in Burton's Batman that was believeable in the real world."

Ha, yes, thanks for the correction. It's fixed now.

 

[DeaDheaD]

I'm not talking about the comic books, I'm talking about the last 2 films.

Which are based on the comic books........

 

[chaseter]

Given the reason statements from Nolan's camp about the future of this franchise, as brilliant as the last 2 films have been, the range of this series is very restricted. Tim Burton at least showed how realistic the Penguin can be and showed us a world of fantasy that seemed believable in the real world, whereas Nolan's world of Batman is limited to just taking the safe route of Batman, the detective and the psychos of Gotham, which is brilliant in it's own right because I don't think any other writer/director would've taken it that route. I love the intellectual take on the mythology of Batman, but he is limiting the range of where these characters go.

How did Burton make a believable world Giant penguins with rockets A woman brought back to life by cats and she now has 9 lives

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Good job. Did you figure that out by yourself? Hence the genre "comic book movie". My point is Chris Nolan is limiting himself to how much fantasy he puts into these movies, when a lot of the characters that would be pretty great to introduce are pretty fantastic, such as: The Penguin, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, The Mad Hatter, etc.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

How did Burton make a believable world Giant penguins with rockets

Was it impossible?

 

[Laderlappen]

Good job. Did you figure that out by yourself? Hence the genre "comic book movie". My point is Chris Nolan is limiting himself to how much fantasy he puts into these movies, when a lot of the characters that would be pretty great to introduce are pretty fantastic, such as: The Penguin, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, The Mad Hatter, etc.

All of those characters suck anyway.

But honestly, do you really think Nolan, Bale, Caine, Oldman etc. would want to make Batman movies forever?

 

[chaseter]

Good job. Did you figure that out by yourself? Hence the genre "comic book movie". My point is Chris Nolan is limiting himself to how much fantasy he puts into these movies, when a lot of the characters that would be pretty great to introduce are pretty fantastic, such as: The Penguin, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, The Mad Hatter, etc.

Did you not read your first statement?

Tim Burton at least showed how realistic the Penguin can be and showed us a world of fantasy that seemed believable in the real world

You even said Nolan's films are brilliant. He reinvigorated and brought back to life a character that had been ****ed and camped out previously into now the 2nd biggest movie EVER and what most consider the best comic book movie ever made. So yes, be selfish, be pratty, be uneducated and want these movies to begin to loose their winning formula so that you can see giant penguins with rockets strapped on their backs. Because that is what made that movie brilliant.

 

[chaseter]

Was it impossible?

It is impossible for a group of cats to bring you back to life after a fall from an office building. And yes, there are no penguins that size because they don't have dwarfs inside them because their budget was modest

 

[DeaDheaD]

Good job. Did you figure that out by yourself? Hence the genre "comic book movie".

Yes I did.....

My point is Chris Nolan is limiting himself to how much fantasy he puts into these movies, when a lot of the characters that would be pretty great to introduce are pretty fantastic, such as: The Penguin, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, The Mad Hatter, etc.

I think you are stuck on the realism thing, Realism doesn't mean certain characters can't be brought into the "Nolan-verse", it just means that these characters will be different from the comics, like the Joker was.

Plus Nolan hasn't said he is going to make another sequel anyways so as of right now, it doesn't matter how "limited" the Nolan-verse is if there is no more Nolan-Batman movies.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Actually, I applaud Nolan for making the Joker exactly as he was in the comics.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Then you shouldnt be worried about the rest of the villains or the "limitations" of the Nolan films

 

[The Batkilt]

Good job. Did you figure that out by yourself? Hence the genre "comic book movie". My point is Chris Nolan is limiting himself to how much fantasy he puts into these movies, when a lot of the characters that would be pretty great to introduce are pretty fantastic, such as: The Penguin, Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface, Scarface, The Mad Hatter, etc.

That's not what your original post said though. Your original post said Burton made The Penguin seem realistic, which it really didn't.

In terms of the characters you mentioned above, Nolan could introduce most of them. Croc suffers from a genuine disease/condition, or at least there is one extremely similar. The original Clayface wasn't a shapeshifter, and Scarface could easily be portrayed as The Ventriloquist being an insane gangster with a dummy (though I for one really don't want to see him introduced). The Mad Hatter depends on whether Nolan and co would want to play up the idea of there being a pedo aspect to the character, and downplaying the mint control. But yeah, there are ways to adapt those.

That and Nolan choosing to not go for the bizarre or totally surreal doesn't make Burton's portrayals 'realistic'. I can see the point you're making about Nolan's films, but I one for one love the 'plausible' feel he's going for - it sets it apart from other comic book hero adaptions for me, but I can see why some people would prefer him to ease up on that a bit.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

What was so unrealistic about that Penguin? I mean, my only problem with it is they basically gave him the Joker's world besides the penguins and the sewer.

 

[The Batkilt]

What was realistic about it? What was the black blood all about? The gang living in the sewers? Penguins with weaponary attached? I know the military are using dolphins and seals for some diving tests these days, but come on.

That and the rest of the distinguishable features of the character - other than him having disfigurements and coming from a wealthy family - were more fitting for a Tim Burton character than a Batman character. If DeVito had played that character without it being used as The Penguin it wouldn't bother me as much, but for me it was just a horrible portrayal of it. Catwoman being brought back from the dead by cats bothers me less.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

I give you the point.

 

[TimidationGame]

Since we are talking about Burton and Nolan...
When people refer to Nolans series as "dark" what EXACTLY do the refer to? I think of most of Burtons films as dark, but that is more of the colors and feel or possibly mood.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Joel Schumacher's weren't dark.t: