What Studio Will Make the Next Fantastic Four Film

[Willie Lumpkin]

Pretty straightforward. When the dust settles, who do you think will be making the film?

 

[Docker2.0]

Sadly, I think it will be a joint production.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I hope for MS, but I'd settle with joint production if absolutely necessary

 

[Zarex]

Marvel Studios

 

[Flint Marko]

Homecoming seems to be shaping up well so far, but I still have my trepidations about Spider-man's future with Sony. I could see them wanting to part ways down the line, and that concerns me. I have far less confidence in Fox/Marvel ever making cooperative bedfellows, even if both studio's mutual self-interest can align.

Furthermore, I don't think Marvel would really benefit from a joint production. They did so with Sony because Spider-man merchandising brings them a billion each year, and the mediocrity of the Spider-man movie's was hurting their bottom line. The FF merchandising wouldn't be anywhere near as profitable.

Fox isn't making another FF movie. If they do they're dumber than I ever expected. Marvel doesn't have to get in bed with them, they can just wait and the rights will be dropped into their lap. Hopefully there isn't some sort of clause or loophope where they can maintain the rights by putting a Silver Surfer or Dr. Doom movie in theater.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Sadly, I think it will be a joint production.

I hope for MS, but I'd settle with joint production if absolutely necessary

Same here. I would rather Marvel got it free and clear, but I have a feeling Fox will resist that.

On the positive side, I expect a better relationship between both studios with Fox no longer arrogantly charging forward with bad ideas.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Homecoming seems to be shaping up well so far, but I still have my trepidations about Spider-man's future with Sony. I could see them wanting to part ways down the line, and that concerns me. I have far less confidence in Fox/Marvel ever making cooperative bedfellows, even if both studio's mutual self-interest can align.

Furthermore, I don't think Marvel would really benefit from a joint production. They did so with Sony because Spider-man merchandising brings them a billion each year, and the mediocrity of the Spider-man movie's was hurting their bottom line. The FF merchandising wouldn't be anywhere near as profitable.

Fox isn't making another FF movie. If they do they're dumber than I ever expected. Marvel doesn't have to get in bed with them, they can just wait and the rights will be dropped into their lap. Hopefully there isn't some sort of clause or loophope where they can maintain the rights by putting a Silver Surfer or Dr. Doom movie in theater.

I think the thing that could convince Fox to be more reasonable and more willing to work with Marvel in the future is X-Men. I expect a deal that will involve all properties - not just FF - and tie the two companies together much more than they have in the past.

Considering how few successful superhero films Fox has made without Bryan Singer, (with even his last one stinking up the place), I think Fox will have to come to their senses and realize they need Marvel and Kevin Feige (not Simon f***ing Kinberg) providing some guidance and support if they want to have their Marvel films reach their potential.

 

[Flint Marko]

Again, I think Marvel would benefit more from waiting than getting in bed with them and allowing Fox to extend their grip on the IP.

EDIT:

I think the thing that could convince Fox to be more reasonable and more willing to work with Marvel in the future is X-Men. I expect a deal that will involve all properties - not just FF - and tie the two companies together much more than they have in the past.

Considering how few successful superhero films Fox has made without Bryan Singer, (with even his last one stinking up the place), I think Fox will have to come to their senses and realize they need Marvel and Kevin Feige (not Simon f***ing Kinberg) providing some guidance and support if they want to have their Marvel films reach their potential.

I could see this being the case for the X-men, but not the FF. Fox has found success with several X-properties and none with the FF, outside of the financially successful 2005 film. They might want Marvel to help them out with the first family, but I see no reason for Marvel to cooperate with that.

 

[Zarex]

Homecoming seems to be shaping up well so far, but I still have my trepidations about Spider-man's future with Sony. I could see them wanting to part ways down the line, and that concerns me. I have far less confidence in Fox/Marvel ever making cooperative bedfellows, even if both studio's mutual self-interest can align.

I know there's talk of Sony doing a separate animated version, but a non-MCU Spidey movie is going to be awfully difficult to pull off after a few movies featuring him palling around with his Avengers chums. "Spider-Man: Homeless" will be a tough sell.

 

[Bayne]

Fox isn't making another FF movie. If they do they're dumber than I ever expected. Marvel doesn't have to get in bed with them, they can just wait and the rights will be dropped into their lap. Hopefully there isn't some sort of clause or loophope where they can maintain the rights by putting a Silver Surfer or Dr. Doom movie in theater.

This is pretty much exactly my thoughts, as well. Fox isn't going to burn their fingers on the same property a third time. Even if they do think it has potential, they've clearly proven that they have no idea how to realize that potential. And Marvel doesn't need the FF at all, let alone need them right now. They've got plenty of time and plenty of material.

The FF could be part of some larger Fox/Marvel deal, if Fox were willing to do that. But Marvel has no need to deal for just the FF rights by themselves, and they certainly aren't desperate enough for them to do a company team up like with Sony.

 

[Flint Marko]

I know there's talk of Sony doing a separate animated version, but a non-MCU Spidey movie is going to be awfully difficult to pull off after a few movies featuring him palling around with his Avengers chums. "Spider-Man: Homeless" will be a tough sell.

Oh I certainly agree. But if there's one thing I've learned, it's that Hollywood executives can quickly get ahead of themselves and don't know anywhere near as much about these properties as us fans do, particularly the certain executive currently in charge of Sony.

This is pretty much exactly my thoughts, as well. Fox isn't going to burn their fingers on the same property a third time. Even if they do think it has potential, they've clearly proven that they have no idea how to realize that potential. And Marvel doesn't need the FF at all, let alone need them right now. They've got plenty of time and plenty of material.

The FF could be part of some larger Fox/Marvel deal, if Fox were willing to do that. But Marvel has no need to deal for just the FF rights by themselves, and they certainly aren't desperate enough for them to do a company team up like with Sony.

Marvel doesn't need the FF, but I'm willing to bet they'd love to have Silver Surfer and Doom in their sandbox. I know I would.

 

[Spiderine]

Why on earth would Marvel need to resort to a joint production on the FF with Fox?
I could see this with Xmen but FF? If you dont believe Fox is touching FF in the next 6 years why not just wait it out and get for nothing at all. We know why Spidey got this special treatment. Marvel has enough fuel to keep this machine going without FF at least till reversion.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Again, I think Marvel would benefit more from waiting than getting in bed with them and allowing Fox to extend their grip on the IP.

EDIT:



I could see this being the case for the X-men, but not the FF. Fox has found success with several X-properties and none with the FF, outside of the financially successful 2005 film. They might want Marvel to help them out with the first family, but I see no reason for Marvel to cooperate with that.

Why on earth would Marvel need to resort to a joint production on the FF with Fox?
I could see this with Xmen but FF? If you dont believe Fox is touching FF in the next 6 years why not just wait it out and get for nothing at all. We know why Spidey got this special treatment. Marvel has enough fuel to keep this machine going without FF at least till reversion.

I'm imagining (and, again, this is pure speculation so I could be completely of) a very large, broad agreement that gives Marvel everything they want (nearly complete control of the FF and much more control over X-Men).

Allowing Fox to write the checks and keep their name on FF might be a small price to pay for other advantages built into the deal (and Marvel wouldn't sign unless they thought their net positive was greater than anything they'd be giving up).

With something as simple as a direct trade of FF rights for X-Men TV rights (for example) Marvel would get FF, but give up some control of X-Men. If anything, I'd think Marvel wants more of a hand in X-Men and allowing Fox to keep a (symbolic) hand in FF could be the bargaining chip that would allow them to do that.

But if Marvel really does want complete control of FF, I'm sure they could structure a deal to do that (or simply wait until the rights revert). But I suspect they want more than that.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Yeah, no need to do a joint production on this one. Just wait for the rights to drop.

 

[See Cap Run]

I think and hope Marvel will go the Spider-Man route as far as having the FF be introduced in non-FF films first, (hopefully Infinity Wars) to help restore their goodwill, then Marvel will produce a FF film. Neither will include Fox involvement.

Great topic Willie! Just out of curiosity, is there any way to make the poll public after the thread's been created? If anyone votes for "Fox production" it would pique my curiosity to be able to see who voted that way.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think and hope Marvel will go the Spider-Man route as far as having the FF be introduced in non-FF films first, (hopefully Infinity Wars) to help restore their goodwill, then Marvel will produce a FF film. Neither will include Fox involvement.

Great topic Willie! Just out of curiosity, is there any way to make the poll public after the thread's been created? If anyone votes for "Fox production" it would pique my curiosity to be able to see who voted that way.

I'm not sure if there is a way to change the poll or not, but hopefully if anyone feels that way they'll post and tell us why.

I tend to like keeping the polls anonymous to try to get people to vote freely instead of voting the way they're "supposed to".

But, yeah, I think the chances of another Fox stand-alone film are close to zero, but I won't celebrate until we get an announcement, and it would be interesting to hear from someone who thinks Fox will make another one so they can explain why.

 

[See Cap Run]

I'm not sure if there is a way to change the poll or not, but hopefully if anyone feels that way they'll post and tell us why.

I tend to like keeping the polls anonymous to try to get people to vote freely instead of voting the way they're "supposed to".

But, yeah, I think the chances of another Fox stand-alone film are close to zero, but I won't celebrate until we get an announcement, and it would be interesting to hear from someone who thinks Fox will make another one so they can explain why.

Good point, it hadn't occured to me that we may not always get a poster's true viewpoint in a public poll: and it would be interesting to be able hear their thoughts on the matter.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

There's no doubt that Fox wont tryto vulture a Sony deal for F4 but that's despite putting themselves in such a bad position with F4 in the first place.

Now do we take the nonsense that Simon Kinberg states seriously? How petty can Fox get if and when Marvel say's "Nope" to a joint venture? And how likely are they to making yet another F4 films before the due date? Did they see the last F4 flop as being worth keeping those rights despite having a bad quarter because of it?

They can't even get a decent Gambit scrip together but unlike F4 there's no deadline to really worry about there. So if there is no deal already made how far will Fox go at this point?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I sure hope marvel just gets it back with no strings attacthced, but if the marvel Sony deal continues to flourish, I could see fox trying to do the same. But I think marvel would rather wait.

Hopefully marvel just waits the 5 or 6 years or so (as much as I hate waiting) and does it all themselves.

 

[DrCosmic]

So, I think the idea of Marvel having full control of the FF is nice, but afaik, businesses don't 'give up,' especially for things like 'shame.' As long as the FF has any value to Marvel, it is in Fox's business interest not to let it go for nothing. I do not doubt they are capable both financially and ideologically of doing a shoddy FF sequel down the line to keep the rights as needed.

Also, the X-Men franchise's success will say a lot about how hard and confident Fox will be in dealing with these franchises. If the next round of X-films fails, they may be open to Marvel for a broader conversation that could lead to FF joint rights or something like that. Now that Fox has seen that's a thing that exists, they won't be able to convince their investors to let them walk away from an IP without a chunk of change to show for it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't see a joint production. Yeah, Marvel would like to have the FF back, but it isn't Spider-Man. It doesn't have that much value to Marvel that it warrants getting into bed with Fox.

So that leaves reversion or FOX giving it another go. I wouldn't be surprised with either one. But if a gun was pointed at my head, given the difficulties even getting Fant4stic made and the total disaster it ended up being, I would guess that Fox fails to get a film out before the deadline. There are certainly those at Fox that will try, but my best guess is that it falls apart like the Fox Daredevil reboot.

This is just a total guess though.

 

[Chris B]

Marvel without a doubt. I don't think Fox will make that leap again, and while a sharing deal is possible, the incentive isn't really there to go that route like there was with Spider-Man or even the X-Men at some point.

I'm guessing Marvel will try and make a deal to get the FF back early in a year or two, or the rights will quietly revert in six years.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Marvel Studios or bust.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Marvel without a doubt. I don't think Fox will make that leap again, and while a sharing deal is possible, the incentive isn't really there to go that route like there was with Spider-Man or even the X-Men at some point.

The only way I can see sharing happen is if they reach a deal to share X-Men and Fantastic Four just happens to come along for the ride.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The only way I can see sharing happen is if they reach a deal to share X-Men and Fantastic Four just happens to come along for the ride.

Part of the reason I think it will be a shared deal is it seems like there's been a lot of talk from both sides about X-Men crossovers, and I suspect they're working on trying to tie everything together.

Of course they could transfer the FF rights to Marvel and then work on the rest, but I think it would be an easier sell if Marvel allows Fox to continue to get something from both FF and X-Men in a huge mega-deal.