What The Hell Happened To Christianity?

[raybia]

That's why I don't understand how so many can say "He was cool", but they're not Christians....the "He was a great teacher" - crowd.


Thats like saying I cannot admire John Kennedy because I'm black or Gandhi because I'm not American? You have to be Christian to recognize and appreciate the greatness of Jesus?

The Christians are right when they say, "He was either a mad man, a liar, or God", there are no other options.


except, maybe, "the Bible is inaccurate" or "He was a trickster/performance artist". *shrug*

For Muslims, there is another option.

 

[raybia]

So who is right Raybia??? You because you say so?? The Bible or the Koran. They can't both be right.

Who is right?

Its not a matter of who is right.

Its a matter of who I choose to believe is right.

Just like you have the freedom to choose.

 

[kainedamo]

Who is right?

Its not a matter of who is right.

Its a matter of who I choose to belief is right.

Just like you have the freedom to choose.

Very well said. It's a matter of faith, not who is right.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

For Muslims, there is another option.

The only remotely reliable historic record we have of Jesus and his words, that I know of, is the Bible, where he said that he is God and that he created the universe. Wouldn't that be blasphemy in the extreme to followers of other religions? (unless they are polytheists)
Are there a lot of Jesus stories in the Quran, and if there are, what evidence is there that they are more accurate portrayals of Jesus than those found in the Bible?

 

[kainedamo]

The only remotely reliable historic record we have of Jesus and his words, that I know of, is the Bible, where he said that he is God and that he created the universe. Wouldn't that be blasphemy in the extreme to followers of other religions? (unless they are polytheists)
Are there a lot of Jesus stories in the Quran, and if there are, what evidence is there that they are more accurate portrayals of Jesus than those found in the Bible?

That isn't true at all. There are actual historical records that a man named Jesus Christ existed.

 

[raybia]

The only remotely reliable historic record we have of Jesus and his words, that I know of, is the Bible, where he said that he is God and that he created the universe.

Not for Muslims.


Wouldn't that be blasphemy in the extreme to followers of other religions? (unless they are polytheists)

Muslims don't accept that as true.

Are there a lot of Jesus stories in the Quran, and if there are, what evidence is there that they are more accurate portrayals of Jesus than those found in the Bible?

Yes, the Qur'an does address both Jesus and Mary.

The evidence is the Qur'an itself. Its revelation from G-d for those who believe of its divine origin or an innovation for those that don't.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Very well said. It's a matter of faith, not who is right.

LoL

but in order to have faith in your religion, you have to believe that your right, and in doing so you MUST believe that other religions are wrong.

Otherwise your just agnostic surely?

 

[raybia]

LoL

but in order to have faith in your religion, you have to believe that your right, and in doing so you MUST believe that other religions are wrong.

Otherwise your just agnostic surely?

In order to have faith in my religion, I have to first accept its teachings as true.

I'm not required to go research the 4300 faith groups on Earth and condemn them as wrong in order to do so.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Anybody besides me see the word "Christian" in a thread title and have this immediate reaction:

"Oh boy "

 

[raybia]

Amazing world we live in where we can have threads about Hot women, the appeal of blue eyes, Battle of the Mean girls, and Soy makes you Gay,

but threads on Religion are considered taboo by some.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Religion threads always end up in a dumb argument about whether God exists or not. It gets old.

 

[raybia]

Religion threads always end up in a dumb argument about whether God exists or not. It gets old.

Thats because there is always one fanatic who tries to sabotage any real intellectual discussion about religion that would help to promote a better understanding to it.

And this article is not about whether G-d exist or not. Since that cannot be proven, its a futile argument to hold.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Thats because there is always one fanatic who tries to sabotage any real intellectual discussion about religion that would help to promote a better understanding to it.

And this article is not about whether G-d exist or not. Since that cannot be proven, its a futile argument to hold.

I agree, as a Christian myself I've given up on an intellectual conversation on a board mostly populated by sarcastic athiests.

It doesn't matter what the original topic was, i'm tellin you how they're destined to end. Sucks

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Im a New Rejectionist.
I believe that the origin of existence is outside any humans comprehension and that thus its foolish and futile to even try and work out a true explanation as it is inachievable

I really need to think of a better name for it if there isnt one already.

 

[raybia]

I agree, as a Christian myself I've given up on an intellectual conversation on a board mostly populated by sarcastic athiests.

It doesn't matter what the original topic was, i'm tellin you how they're destined to end. Sucks

You may be right. I think what matters the most is not the beginning or the ending of those threads because that is evitable.

What is important is the lessons that are taught and learned in between.

The lesson is not just the subject and its discussion, but also the various reactions and interactions themselves.

Read each post is this thread and it will tell you something about the human condition and human nature.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Jesus said that he was the only way to heaven....not through Muhammad or Allah.
This thread should be closed!

Isn't it a violation of the rules to post under another name after you get banned?
I seem to remember something about that.
vaguely.

 

[raybia]

Im a New Rejectionist.
I believe that the origin of existence is outside any humans comprehension and that thus its foolish and futile to even try and work out a true explanation as it is inachievable

Interesting.

You know, it was also once thought that it was foolish and futile to try to proof that the earth was round and that man could ever fly or that it was possible to leave the gravity of the earth and travel in space.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

First off, thanks for the article, I've been trying to explain these same concepts/ideas THROUGHOUT the last American election process. Trying to get people to comprehend and understand religion nowadays seems to be like.. walking on water.

Secondly, I really enjoyed the way you 'handled' the posters you interacted with, I have a lot to learn.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Interesting.

You know, it was also once thought that it was foolish and futile to try to proof that the earth was round and that man could ever fly or that it was possible to leave the gravity of the earth and travel in space.

firstly... cultures have been able to work out that the word was round since over 500 bc...

but importantly all the things u describe its possible to even concieve a method of testing them.
Existence itself is a paradox. Logically there should be absolute nothigness. No time or space or even emptyness. Even the existence of a God requires an origin for existance in order to explain the gods existance.

its origin could even be in a completely different realm or dimension that we can not be aware of.

I see it as a similar to infinite. We use the number infinite in calculation as if it was there. We can aproximate to it. We can create models for behaviours accurately using it, its very important to maths and science... but yet technically it can't ever actually exist and no one can ever work out a true value for it.

 

[bored]

Isn't it a violation of the rules to post under another name after you get banned?
I seem to remember something about that.
vaguely.

Who do you think he used to be?

 

[raybia]

firstly... cultures have been able to work out that the word was round since over 500 bc...

However, there was a time that man believed otherwise. What happened? Man continues to grow and progress in our understanding and work towards our human potential. It hasn't stopped, it continues to the day.

but importantly all the things u describe its possible to even concieve a method of testing them.

Yes, now they are because know that we believe in them and we have proof, its easier to test for those things. However, a time did exist where man could not concieve of many things. Two people talking at the same time on a device even though they may be thousand a miles apart wasn't even a reality until somebody first concieved of the idea. Ideas are the creator of reality. Once the idea is concieved of, then it becomes a theory until brought into existence. Another way to describe theory is faith. Man had to have faith in those ideas until it was proven to him to be real.


Existence itself is a paradox.

How so?


Logically there should be absolute nothigness. No time or space or even emptyness.

Human logic is limited and requires to be evolved. Our lack of understanding is not required for the existence of time or space. Did you understand what was going on when you were in the womb or when you were born?


Even the existence of a God requires an origin for existance in order to explain the gods existance.

An explaination doesn't come before existence, it comes after...in time. Just like belief in G-d or lack thereof doesn't play any role in G-d's existence.

its origin could even be in a completely different realm or dimension that we can not be aware of.

Or, the answer could be in some of the religious texts that existence that many believe to be the actual word of G-d.

I see it as a similar to infinite. We use the number infinite in calculation as if it was there. We can aproximate to it. We can create models for behaviours accurately using it, its very important to maths and science... but yet technically it can't ever actually exist and no one can ever work out a true value for it.

Not yet. However by the time I reached High school I was able to do Calculus while I struggled with division in grade school.

These are some great concepts that you are sharing. Its very thought provoking. This is how we learn.

 

[raybia]

Secondly, I really enjoyed the way you 'handled' the posters you interacted with, I have a lot to learn.

Thanks, I'm learning through trial and error.

 

[Matt]

Close it or someone will post a thread questioning where Islam has gone wrong.

The difference between this thread and one of your many anti-Islam threads is, these gentlemen are Christians using SCRIPTURES to point out the flaw of modern political stances of Christian LEADERSHIP (not the entire religion).

You on the other hand, a Christian, make threads with no knowledge of Islam saying "ALL ISLAMS ARE TERRORISTS!"

 

[unstoppable]

the SHH has it's hand in everything

 

[raybia]

The difference between this thread and one of your many anti-Islam threads is, these gentlemen are Christians using SCRIPTURES to point out the flaw of modern political stances of Christian LEADERSHIP (not the entire religion).

You on the other hand, a Christian, make threads with no knowledge of Islam saying "ALL ISLAMS ARE TERRORISTS!"

CELLDOG! I've should have known!